SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

[scsutommyboy]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

I can see what Montelena is saying when if you read the majority of these posts and didn't know anything about our record or scoring or anything else, it'd be easy to think we are somewhere in the neighborhood of 4-14 and very few players that are playing should be playing at all, or maybe even be D-1 hockey players.
It's just a lot of negative posting, what's going wrong, what doesn't work, who doesn't do this, who can't do that, etc, with very little talk of what they are doing right.

And I do have to say this on Ryan, yes he has 3 points as a Husky and 2 goals, all of which came in the first 2 games he played.
His last 12 games, 0 points, so I don't really get where this "he can score" stuff comes from.
We would be hammering other forwards who couldn't produce a point in 12 games, no matter how much playing time they got or what line they were on.
But he hustles, so that's ok, he doesn't need to score right? (even if every other forward besides him and Peckskamp has at least 3 points this year (oops, there I go looking at stats again, silly me))
Also, Euro, Motzko isn't a god, he's a hockey coach but he does know more about his own team than you or I ever will so excuse me if I don't criticize his choices of who plays and who doesn't.
If he says it's based off practice and I don't see practice, who am I to criticize it?
The players aren't above crticism, see the above.
And if you think I make no points than what's supplied to me, well my response is opinions are like *******s....

You should really reconsider having children. You have the protective mother thing down to a T.

Until Motzko proves he is a winner and moves this program forward he will not get the same leash other coaches in the league do. If Dean Blais or Haskstol was coaching this team the fans wouldn't be restless like they are. Don't get me wrong I like coach Motzko, but you still need to win. He needs to start proving he can get this program over the hump. If they go 12-6 or better in the second half and win a NCAA game we will look back and say this is a successful season. Anything less than that is status quo and that is not good enough. You probably think that is to harsh, but if this program is ever going to move forward that needs to be the goals. I think if you talked to Motzko he would think that expectation is fair......

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

I can see what Montelena is saying when if you read the majority of these posts and didn't know anything about our record or scoring or anything else, it'd be easy to think we are somewhere in the neighborhood of 4-14 and very few players that are playing should be playing at all, or maybe even be D-1 hockey players.

We're not 4-14, but we've won 3 series in the season; 3 of 4 from Union at home, 3 of 4 from tUMD at home, and sweeping in Anchorage. Know what those 3 teams have in common? I believe we have more talent than them (some may argue with tUMD, but I solely believe we're a better team ON PAPER). And yet tUMD is ahead of us, because they make less mistakes, show up more consistently, and finish better than we do. And for the most part, I'm not criticizing players for not having talent, especially our forwards. Its normally effort and performance.

It's just a lot of negative posting, what's going wrong, what doesn't work, who doesn't do this, who can't do that, etc, with very little talk of what they are doing right.

Again, you're wrong. I've compliment Dunn, the Dane, Oslund, Johnson, Eddy, Marvin and even Peckskamp this year for having really good games. Problem is, that for the number of games I've seen live, the list of guys who've had a really good game should be higher than that lot. I'll also throw in the mix of players like Zabs, LeBlanc and Feslter, guys who when I see them don't normally wow me, but come out and play good, not spectacular, consistent hockey. That's still leaving a lot of guys who need to step up, and Raboin's at the top of that list.

And I do have to say this on Ryan, yes he has 3 points as a Husky and 2 goals, all of which came in the first 2 games he played.
His last 12 games, 0 points, so I don't really get where this "he can score" stuff comes from.

Ugh, for the 4th time, because if you give Ryan 14 games over a year and a half, spread all those games out, and put him on lines without much supporting offensive talent, don't tell me he can't score. I'm not saying he can, I'm saying that I, like you, have no idea, and I'm sick of some of the guys who dress every weekend underperform and mostly, not hustle.

Also, Euro, Motzko isn't a god, he's a hockey coach but he does know more about his own team than you or I ever will so excuse me if I don't criticize his choices of who plays and who doesn't.

Of COURSE he knows more about his team than we do, but that means he can't possibly be wrong?

 

[Skeeterman]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

I believe Motzko feels the same way a lot of us do about some of the players and the team. I think it may drive him crazy when he sees the inconsistency in play and effort. On the other hand, when you're trying to get in the game and the goalie keeps letting pucks go by, it does tend to take a little wind out of the sails. I think he would love to see us blow out some teams, just cream them. So far, we haven't seen that killer instinct in this team. On the other hand, the first half tough schedule wasn't the greatest for building confidence. I think we'll see a different and better team the second half.

Now you can get back to arguing amongst yourselves.

The Husky Hockey unofficial official welcoming committee is travelling to East Bethel to watch Joey Benik play hockey.

 

[startthebus]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

This week freaking sucks.

 

[Pump It Up]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

The Husky Hockey unofficial official welcoming committee is travelling to East Bethel to watch Joey Benik play hockey.

How'd he look? Was it boner worthy?

 

[First Time Long Time]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

We're not 4-14, but we've won 3 series in the season; 3 of 4 from Union at home, 3 of 4 from tUMD at home, and sweeping in Anchorage. Know what those 3 teams have in common? I believe we have more talent than them (some may argue with tUMD, but I solely believe we're a better team ON PAPER). And yet tUMD is ahead of us, because they make less mistakes, show up more consistently, and finish better than we do. And for the most part, I'm not criticizing players for not having talent, especially our forwards. Its normally effort and performance.

Other than Tech and CC, what series could we realistically have also won?

Ugh, for the 4th time, because if you give Ryan 14 games over a year and a half, spread all those games out, and put him on lines without much supporting offensive talent, don't tell me he can't score. I'm not saying he can, I'm saying that I, like you, have no idea, and I'm sick of some of the guys who dress every weekend underperform and mostly, not hustle.

Ryan is supposed to be a part-time player, he wasn't brought in to be a regular, hell he wasn't even brought in by Motzko, Barta did that.
Also, you need to go back and look at his linemates, he may not have played with the likes of Lasch, Marvin, Festler or LeBlanc each game but he did get games with them and again, did not score.
If you are a part-time player, you need to perform when you do get in there, and you need to do more than just "hustle"
It may be just me, but I'd rather take a team of guys who look or are perceived to be lazy but put points on the board than guys who do hustle, but can't score because even though they may not look like they are working hard (and really we have no idea, guys are called floaters for a reason and that's the kind of player Mosey is) but if they put the points up, you have a chance to win.
Let's not forget, Mosey was sat an awful lot last year because he wasn't producing and wasn't getting it done.
Do you think if the same thing was true this year, that he isn't working, that he hasn't gotten better, that he'd be playing in every game?

Of COURSE he knows more about his team than we do, but that means he can't possibly be wrong?

Of course he can be wrong, but I don't know if he is, I don't have information that he is.
I don't see practice, I don't see the work they do and Motzko has said several times that for the most part, the players work will decide who plays and I think we are seeing the players who do work and who can also produce.
Yes it's inconsistent and it's frustrating, and I for one wonder if the problem isn't with coaching, it's with leadership in lockerroom from the players.
I wonder if we have a player who is going to take this team by the throat and get this team running.
I think coaches can only do so much and at some point in the season, the players really have to start taking ownership of the team and I don't think that's been happening.

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

Other than Tech and CC, what series could we realistically have also won?

First off, this team should be trying to win every series.

If they want to be a top team, they should have won a home series with Wisconsin, especially because I have the feeling they won't even split in the Kohl Center. Also, don't just throw out MTU and CC, you're right, those are two series that they should've won. And while I know UND's a tough place to play, if they'd shown up Friday, who knows, maybe they'd have stolen one from a .500 UND squad.

Ryan is supposed to be a part-time player,

Then let him be a part-time player, and not a pretty-much-no-time player

It may be just me, but I'd rather take a team of guys who look or are perceived to be lazy but put points on the board than guys who do hustle, but can't score because even though they may not look like they are working hard

Yep... its just you.

 

[First Time Long Time]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

First off, this team should be trying to win every series.

If they want to be a top team, they should have won a home series with Wisconsin, especially because I have the feeling they won't even split in the Kohl Center. Also, don't just throw out MTU and CC, you're right, those are two series that they should've won. And while I know UND's a tough place to play, if they'd shown up Friday, who knows, maybe they'd have stolen one from a .500 UND squad.

Where the hell did I say they shouldn't try to win every series, I said realistically should we expect them to go to UND and take more than 2, realistically should we expect them to take more than 2 at DU.
Wisconsin, maybe, but UW did just go into UND and take 3, and CC took 3 in Madison.
Basically, every team in the league has points they'd like to have back but what I'm saying is the teams we split with are good teams and realistically, a split with UW, even at home, was the likely outcome.

Yep... its just you.

So if we had a whole team of guys who hustled every shift but could not score, could not win, you'd be ok with that over guys who are perceived as lazy but win games?
Something tells me that's a load of BS.

 

[startthebus]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

Mosey is bringing the heat this year, he really jumped on the horse!

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

Where the hell did I say they shouldn't try to win every series, I said realistically should we expect them to go to UND and take more than 2, realistically should we expect them to take more than 2 at DU.
Wisconsin, maybe, but UW did just go into UND and take 3, and CC took 3 in Madison.
Basically, every team in the league has points they'd like to have back but what I'm saying is the teams we split with are good teams and realistically, a split with UW, even at home, was the likely outcome.





So if we had a whole team of guys who hustled every shift but could not score, could not win, you'd be ok with that over guys who are perceived as lazy but win games?
Something tells me that's a load of BS.

The loss to Wisconsin was a horrible effort, THAT'S why I'm upset they didn't win that series. Same with the game at UND. I'll give them the loss in DU, they played a good game and got beat by a better team on the road.

As for hustling, I think that you think that Mosey hasn't been a lazy POS for most of this year and his career, and I strongly disagree. Fair enough?

 

[First Time Long Time]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

As for hustling, I think that you think that Mosey hasn't been a lazy POS for most of this year and his career, and I strongly disagree. Fair enough?

Wrong, I think he was lazy for his first couple years but has picked it up lately.
My point is even if he is lazy, he is producing so the fact that he is looked at as lazy is lessened by his numbers and I think if he was as lazy as you say, he wouldn't be playing in every game.

What I'm wondering now has nothing to do with a specific player, but it does sound like you'd rather have a team that works hard (looks good) but can't win vs a team that either is lazy, or is perceived as lazy (looks bad) but wins games.

 

[wchaforever]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

Wrong, I think he was lazy for his first couple years but has picked it up lately.
My point is even if he is lazy, he is producing so the fact that he is looked at as lazy is lessened by his numbers and I think if he was as lazy as you say, he wouldn't be playing in every game.

What I'm wondering now has nothing to do with a specific player, but it does sound like you'd rather have a team that works hard (looks good) but can't win vs a team that either is lazy, or is perceived as lazy (looks bad) but wins games.

The thing that bothers me more about Mosey's sudden enthusiasm for trying a little harder (?) is that it coincides with him getting to play with guys who potentially could result in him getting more scoring opportunities. So, was the lack of effort previously related to him not liking where Motzko had him playing, or has he just all of a sudden figured out this D1 thing? If it is the former...I hate to see a guy rewarded like this, but I guess as long as he scores AND hustles....

 

[First Time Long Time]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

The thing that bothers me more about Mosey's sudden enthusiasm for trying a little harder (?) is that it coincides with him getting to play with guys who potentially could result in him getting more scoring opportunities. So, was the lack of effort previously related to him not liking where Motzko had him playing, or has he just all of a sudden figured out this D1 thing? If it is the former...I hate to see a guy rewarded like this, but I guess as long as he scores AND hustles....

Doubtful as Mosey was with Dey and Lasch almost his entire freshman year and was with guys like LeBlanc, Roe, Novak and Festler last year.
Personally I think it's he's more mature and likely finally understands what it takes in terms of the work you need to put in to succeed at this level and for some players, that takes longer than others.

 

[The Vicar]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

I believe Motzko feels the same way a lot of us do about some of the players and the team. I think it may drive him crazy when he sees the inconsistency in play and effort. On the other hand, when you're trying to get in the game and the goalie keeps letting pucks go by, it does tend to take a little wind out of the sails. I think he would love to see us blow out some teams, just cream them. So far, we haven't seen that killer instinct in this team. On the other hand, the first half tough schedule wasn't the greatest for building confidence. I think we'll see a different and better team the second half.

Now you can get back to arguing amongst yourselves.

The Husky Hockey unofficial official welcoming committee is travelling to East Bethel to watch Joey Benik play hockey.

Skeets: Read the report on the game last night. This kid might be the second coming of the great one I call Arneson Maximus? When I saw him at a Husky game last year he looked all of about 125 pounds. Could he ever live up to the reputation of the GREAT ONE, ARNESON MAXIMUS?

 

[Skeeterman]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

How'd he look? Was it boner worthy?

Definitely boner worthy. Scored a hat trick. Speedy, skilled with the puck. Scored on a major league wrap-around. Not selfish, made nice passes. With a better supporting class he would score a bunch more. A few nice MILF. Several GILF. A few groupies. We got invited into the locker room for a pre-game pep talk for the boys. We got the crowd following our cheers and chants. They virtually begged us to come back for more games. Very friendly crowd. We posed for several pictures. Got fans of the game acknowledgement. Rave reviews from all.

 

[Dirty Bottles]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

Lots of good banter, I like it!

I'm typically a glass half full kind of guy but this team makes it tough to stay optimistic.

I think the key is our sub standard D. They're ok defensively but are a liability when it comes to the transition game. A lot of talk in the past couple pages about various forwards not doing this or not doing that but I think a lot of that talk is misplaced.

If we had 1 or 2 more guys like Zabs - guys that can really skate and move the puck - you'd see a big jump in offensive performance. Zabs left the game in the first period on Saturday and our offense just collapsed, I don't think that is a coincidence. Teams know our weakness and they forecheck like mad because they know our guys can't move the puck.

Bottom line, Motzko has to find a way to recruit more talent on the D line. The forward talent is there but it's tough for them to showcase that talent due to the poor transition game.

Oh, and Lee has to stop being a sieve.

My .02....

 

[Skeeterman]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

Skeets: Read the report on the game last night. This kid might be the second coming of the great one I call Arneson Maximus? When I saw him at a Husky game last year he looked all of about 125 pounds. Could he ever live up to the reputation of the GREAT ONE, ARNESON MAXIMUS?

He could be Arneson-like, as he continues to develop. Several tendencies that were similar. He can float in and steal the puck from the guys mucking along the boards. He has also apparently grown. He's now approaching 6ft. and has some heft. He's gonna be a factor. Also has the hockey hair going for him.

Where do I read the report on the game last night?

 

[The Vicar]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

He could be Arneson-like, as he continues to develop. Several tendencies that were similar. He can float in and steal the puck from the guys mucking along the boards. He has also apparently grown. He's now approaching 6ft. and has some heft. He's gonna be a factor. Also has the hockey hair going for him.

Where do I read the report on the game last night?

Da Huskies.com

 

[DaHuskies13]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

Da Huskies.com

greatest evah!

 

[Icedavis]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

I think the key is our sub standard D. They're ok defensively but are a liability when it comes to the transition game. A lot of talk in the past couple pages about various forwards not doing this or not doing that but I think a lot of that talk is misplaced.

If we had 1 or 2 more guys like Zabs - guys that can really skate and move the puck - you'd see a big jump in offensive performance. Zabs left the game in the first period on Saturday and our offense just collapsed, I don't think that is a coincidence. Teams know our weakness and they forecheck like mad because they know our guys can't move the puck.

Bottom line, Motzko has to find a way to recruit more talent on the D line. The forward talent is there but it's tough for them to showcase that talent due to the poor transition game.

Oh, and Lee has to stop being a sieve.

My .02....

Interesting perspective and I agree. I think this is one topic that isn't covered much by us. The transition game is very important. I think you have made a good point with zabs. He can skate and move the puck but, to add a bit to that, its also about positioning and finding holes to move into so the puck can be moved. From what I have seen he does well with all of those.

Any team can have guys very good in the D end or on O but going from one to the other is what makes or breaks opportunities. Now that I think about it, that's something I have noticed being a big issue. The Huskies typically have a hard time on that second pass out of the D end. There is the initial turnover in our D end and the first pass out. Then comes the disconnect. Either the player doesn't have the puck in a position to move it or doesn't have anyone in position to move it to. You see a lot of their good rushes come off of very good first, second and third passes out of the D zone. It also works the other way. They typically don't have enough pressure or strength to stop puck movement into their D end off those first and second passes.

Now this is my opinion and like i said before I don't know the intricacies of the game play itself (other than what I have visually observed over 8 years) but I can offer the opinion from a basketball perspective where transition play is very important, similar to hockey. If anyone could provide more insight as to how the hockey aspect of transition game works I would love to hear and learn more.