SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

[wild77]

Re: SCSU 2009-2010 Season Thread

Zabs seemed fine after the game, nothing else was said.
I wouldn't say they aren't any good at 5 on 5 but yes they are built for special teams play, 5 on 5 will happen as they continue to build chemistry.
Who do you think should "sit for not making plays" and who that's currently riding the pine is going to make those plays?
I'm sorry, but you don't sit your best players if they have a bad game or two.
Dahl tried that and we used to get hammered when he did.

I guess my question is who are your best players? I could sit Jordy, oslund, Volpei, mosey, Hanowski, Festler, Gaudet, Lauridsen, Hepp on any given night and replace any of them with bench guys and not give up anything. Just my opnion.

 

[First Time Long Time]

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I don't get why everybody is so up and arms over Rioux not playing. He is not that good. I will say this though, the defense is not great so why not give him a chance once in a while? I think it is obvious coach has his favorites and likes to ride them. A perfect example of that was Barta. He never should have gotten the leash he got, but it was obvious he was one of coaches guys. just like Lee is one of coaches guys. He should have been pulled last night and coach stuck with him.

I am sorry but Lee this year is a lot like Dunn the last couple of years. His numbers look decent, but he gives up soft goals and it cost the team. I am sorry but when a goalie gives up soft goals it deflates a team and Lee has lost two or three games this year because of soft goals. When Dunn was like that People said he shouldn't play and now that Lee is like that he should automatically play once a weekend. Lee is going to be a good goalie, but handing him playing time becuase he is a second round pick and the projected starter for team USA is crap.

One more thing. I doubt Rioux is sitting because he did something wrong. I do think he is in Motzko's doghouse, but to say he did one thing wrong and the team is hiding something seems silly.

Personally I look at it as I don't think Motzko is unhappy with the play of his goalies (granted that may change) but if you read his quotes, it's not the goalies he goes after, it's the team play.
It could be that he's trying to instill a mindset in these guys of don't worry about who's in the pipes back here, your game doesn't change, do your job they will do theirs.
Can soft goals be deflating?
Yes they can, but as I said in the other thread, if a goal 46 seconds in, soft or not, deflates a team that bad that they can't show fight or say to themselves ok now it's on us to get that back and make our plays, then the play of the goalie isn't going to change much even if they make every save.

Yeah and KA is the bad guy.

Yeah, Roe, as DL said, needs to find some big boy pants.
If he's upset that he got calls from agents or scouts or whatever wondering about the eye after the fact, that's not Allenspach's problem.
It was a legit question and a legit thing to write about.

 

[First Time Long Time]

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I guess my question is who are your best players? I could sit Jordy, oslund, Volpei, mosey, Hanowski, Festler, Gaudet, Lauridsen, Hepp on any given night and replace any of them with bench guys and not give up anything. Just my opnion.

Considering the guys on the bench are Ryan, Pecks, Rioux, Ammerman and Barta, yeah you are giving up a lot depending on who you sit.
Hell just from that list, sitting Mosey and Hanowski sits our 2nd and 3rd (tied) leading goal scorers right now.
And if you truly think you could replace Lauridsen with anyone and give up nothing, you haven't been watching.

 

[wild77]

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Considering the guys on the bench are Ryan, Pecks, Rioux, Ammerman and Barta, yeah you are giving up a lot depending on who you sit.
Hell just from that list, sitting Mosey and Hanowski sits our 2nd and 3rd (tied) leading goal scorers right now.
And if you truly think you could replace Lauridsen with anyone and give up nothing, you haven't been watching.

Well I do in fact think Oliver could be replaced. They really like him sitting in fornt of the net on the PK, again special teams. 5 on 5 he is not special. He is getting better no doubt. But who wouldn't with the playing time he is logging. he's made the same mistakes Rioux has made. It's just that he is one of Bob's guys. Same with Hanowski and Mosey. How much PP time do they get? I just disagree that you lose soemthing by sitting these guys. Just my opnion

 

[Skeeterman]

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3 soft goals and we didn't score enough to win.
Let's advance Lee's career at the expense of the team. D will never be perfect, which is why there is a goalie. Maybe Lee will be great some day. I just hope its sooner rather than later.

I may not be a goalie expert, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express this week.

 

[Dude Love]

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He has a schollie, he has a lot to lose by quitting. It wouldn't be a bad gig getting all or partial tution paid for and all you have to do is practice.....

If he's actually there for school, more power to him. But in that sense, why wouldn't Motzko release him from his scholarship if he isn't even going to use the guy? It's a waste of SCSU's money.

And I have no problem with playing Rioux just for giggles for one game over Taylor Johnson...or Tyler Johnson...whoever that is.

 

[motox]

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Who do you think should "sit for not making plays" and who that's currently riding the pine is going to make those plays?
I'm sorry, but you don't sit your best players if they have a bad game or two.
Dahl tried that and we used to get hammered when he did.

Did you see the game last night?! Gaudet had the puck passed to him at the point AT LEAST 3 times and couldn't hold it in the zone. One of those was as a PP was winding down and gave them no chance to do anything at the end of it. He played pretty well at the beginning of the season but since then has been making some mistakes on a regular basis. IMO, Rioux is a better puck handler and provides a much more physical presence. Why would they not at least switch off every once in awhile? There has been plenty of speculation about Rioux not playing other than the thought that "the other guys are just better."

How could Motzko possibly not be concerned with the play of his goalies, or should I say goalie? Fact remains Dunn has played much better than Lee at the midpoint of the season.

 

[wild77]

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If he's actually there for school, more power to him. But in that sense, why wouldn't Motzko release him from his scholarship if he isn't even going to use the guy? It's a waste of SCSU's money.

And I have no problem with playing Rioux just for giggles for one game over Taylor Johnson...or Tyler Johnson...whoever that is.

Well, technically he wouldn't release him from his scholarships as all scholarships are one year. He would opt to not renew it, but he wouldn't do that for a couple of reasons.

1. It would hurt him his credibility with future recruits i.e, other coaches would use it against Bob

2. It is virtually impossible for Rioux, at this point of his college career, to find another team. He has 5 years to play 4 years and the clock is ticking. Teams generally are recruiting for 2011/2012 currently. He is a real victim of circumstances.

My bottom line is that this league is won by team with veteran players. Quit annointing these freshman. Play the veterans.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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If he's actually there for school, more power to him. But in that sense, why wouldn't Motzko release him from his scholarship if he isn't even going to use the guy? It's a waste of SCSU's money.

And I have no problem with playing Rioux just for giggles for one game over Taylor Johnson...or Tyler Johnson...whoever that is.

What? Johnson is the third best defenseman they got behind Raboin and the great Dane.

 

[Husky Fan Roy]

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What? Johnson is the third best defenseman they got behind Raboin and the great Dane.

That's not saying much. He's turned the puck over at least once in his own end every game I've seen him play. Lets face it, the SCSU defensemen aren't very good. I would say average at best.

 

[wchaforever]

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Well, technically he wouldn't release him from his scholarships as all scholarships are one year. He would opt to not renew it, but he wouldn't do that for a couple of reasons.

1. It would hurt him his credibility with future recruits i.e, other coaches would use it against Bob

2. It is virtually impossible for Rioux, at this point of his college career, to find another team. He has 5 years to play 4 years and the clock is ticking. Teams generally are recruiting for 2011/2012 currently. He is a real victim of circumstances.

My bottom line is that this league is won by team with veteran players. Quit annointing these freshman. Play the veterans.

A couple of points here regarding the "play the veterans" theme and what I see to be a longer term developing trend of favoring his freshman at any cost mentality. I have been railing for Motzko to use his whole bench as a motivational tool in the past, as I too, have watched veteran players fall off the face of the "Bob" earth to never be seen anywhere other than in the stands again. Without having anything other than anecdotes and suspicions to back it up, for a number of years it has seemed to me like Bob has given his incoming freshman more game opportunities than any other team in the league. At least that is how it seemed in just looking at the box scores and watching the games from the stands.

The "play the veterans" quote above caused to think that maybe there was something to what I was seeing. So I checked collegehockeystats.net and for the last 2 years, no team has had more upper classmen on the bottom of their games played list than the Huskies. Said another way, for the last 2 years , and probably a lot longer, Bob has been benching upperclassmen, in favor of the "new flavor" of incoming freshmen. This year, the 5 players mentioned a little higher up in the thread are the 5 non-goalie players with the fewest games played on the roster. So were they bad recruits? Has their development been that poor? Or is Bob's man crush with each group of incoming freshmen that big that he can't see the value in them spending some time getting used to the game first? And when you look around the roster next year, who are the guys getting pushed to the side for the next incoming group?

The WCHA is unlike any other league in the country for it's combination of speed and physical play and with the exception of the blue chipper, every other team in the league sees the benefit of blending their rookies with their veterans and using the stands as a learning tool as well as a motivation tool. I would love to be a freshmen coming to the Huskies, because I 100% know I am going to get a lot of playing time, without having to prove that I have earned it. I am absolutley convinced that this is directly related to the inconsistency shown by Motzko's teams the past 3 years, and the mediocrity we have come to expect as the norm.

 

[SCSU Euro]

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I really don't get you guys when it comes to our defense and who should play and who shouldn't. All last year it was play Gaudet, play Gaudet, play Gaudet, now he's playing and doing exactly what he would have done last year and now you want Rioux.

You are horrible because you just state things and expect nobody to call you out on them, but Iam calling for Rioux and Ihave NEVER said "Play Gaudet."

I wouldn't say they aren't any good at 5 on 5 but yes they are built for special teams play,

Then we're done, because our PP sucks.

Considering the guys on the bench are Ryan, Pecks, Rioux, Ammerman and Barta, yeah you are giving up a lot depending on who you sit.
Hell just from that list, sitting Mosey and Hanowski sits our 2nd and 3rd (tied) leading goal scorers right now.
And if you truly think you could replace Lauridsen with anyone and give up nothing, you haven't been watching.

You really are one of those people who just follows points, aren't you? Just because Mosey has points, does not mean he's played well. He's getting the benefit of playing with really good linemates and a ton of PP time. After everyone else on the ice on the SCSU PP, I'd sure as hell forget about Mosey too and probably give up a few goals to him. But I'd take Ryan or even Peckskamp now and then over Mosey; I bet they'd bust their butt if they got in so they could prove themselves, and maybe sitting Tony would send a message. Can't be any worse than staying the course.

Did you see the game last night?!

She doesn't see most of the games, and even if she does, she is too busy thinking up excuses for the guys. Don't expect her to ever say anything negative about an SCSU player or coach.

 

[MaizeRage]

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My big issue with it is St. Cloud is a small town with one newspaper, if he feels slighted now, what about if something happens when or if he gets to LA?

Actually, St. Cloud's one newspaper trumps the zero newspapers that have full-time beat writers for the Kings. The Kings actually had to hire their own beat writer to write about the team this year.

The overall idea is correct though. If he's going to be a borderline guy in the pros, why give himself another red flag?

 

[First Time Long Time]

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Did you see the game last night?! Gaudet had the puck passed to him at the point AT LEAST 3 times and couldn't hold it in the zone. One of those was as a PP was winding down and gave them no chance to do anything at the end of it. He played pretty well at the beginning of the season but since then has been making some mistakes on a regular basis. IMO, Rioux is a better puck handler and provides a much more physical presence. Why would they not at least switch off every once in awhile? There has been plenty of speculation about Rioux not playing other than the thought that "the other guys are just better."

How could Motzko possibly not be concerned with the play of his goalies, or should I say goalie? Fact remains Dunn has played much better than Lee at the midpoint of the season.

As I said though, right now you can't say Rioux would be better, he hasn't played and you sure aren't out watching practice.
Saturday's game basically everybody sucked, so using that against Gaudet is not fair IMO.
As I said, he is what he is, it's what he was going to be had he played more last year and it is what he is now.
Also, no one is arguing Dunn has played better, but it isn't as though Motzko has been riding Lee and benching Dunn, Dunn was hurt the past two weeks.
Yes he potentially could have gone on Saturday, but why risk it if he's not 100%, especially with a leg/knee injury.
Fact also remains, Dunn has been able to do this for 6 games so far this year and two of them he was not stellar, his two losses.
My guess is Motzko hasn't seen enough to hand him the job yet and I think this team needs to step up as a group and make it not matter who's in goal.
They are both capable goalies, and I don't think goalie play has been the crux of our losses.

Oh and Euro, I'm not just following points and I did see Saturday's game.
But considering one of our problems right now is consistent scoring, yeah it makes a whole lot of sense to sit a guy with 7 goals just this year for one of two guys with a combined 4 goals for their career.
Busting your butt doesn't mean squat if you don't produce and like it or not, however he's getting them, Mosey is producing.
Would I like it if Mosey worked harder or least looked like he was working harder, of course I would and for the most part he has done so this year, but production does matter and when Mosey has more goals in his career than those two have points (and the number of games is close 82 to 74) I'll take Mosey, even if he is considered a bit lazy by the likes of you.

 

[First Time Long Time]

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Recruit Update

Forwards
Milan: 33 points (19G 14A) 9PIM in 32 games for Penticton (BCHL)
Dowd: 16 points (5G 11A) 22PIM +3 in 19 games for Indiana (USHL)
Oliver: 3 points (0G 3A) 42PIM +3 in 20 games for Fargo (USHL)
Ravndalen: 6 points (4G, 2A) 30PIM -6 in 21 games for Waterloo (USHL)
Benik: 15 points (11G 4A) 2PIM in 9 games for Minnesota (MNJHL)
Holka: 30 points (16G 14A) 45PIM in 35 games for Penticton (BCHL)

Defense
Jensen: 7 points (0G, 7A) 4PIM +6 in 18 games for Green Bay (USHL)
Gravel: 1 point (1G 0A) 2PIM +1 in 17 games for Sioux City (USHL)
Daly: 18 points (6G 12A) 51PIM in 35 games for Langley (BCHL)
Burrell: 17 points (1G 16A) 19PIM +6 in 30 games for Wenatchee (NAHL)


HS
Benik: 17 points (11G 6A) 4PIM +13 in 6 games for St. Francis
Hendrickson: 16 points (9G 7A) 8PIM +7 in 7 games for Virginia
Hendrickson: 24 points (9G 15A) in 24 games for Team North (Elite League)
Prochno: 15 points (4G 11A) 2PIM +4 in 4 games for Minnetonka
Prochno: 12 points (3G 9A) 12PIM in 25 games for Team Southwest (Elite League)

 

[wchaforever]

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Oh and Euro, I'm not just following points and I did see Saturday's game.
But considering one of our problems right now is consistent scoring, yeah it makes a whole lot of sense to sit a guy with 7 goals just this year for one of two guys with a combined 4 goals for their career.
Busting your butt doesn't mean squat if you don't produce and like it or not, however he's getting them, Mosey is producing.
Would I like it if Mosey worked harder or least looked like he was working harder, of course I would and for the most part he has done so this year, but production does matter and when Mosey has more goals in his career than those two have points (and the number of games is close 82 to 74) I'll take Mosey, even if he is considered a bit lazy by the likes of you.

Don't fool yourself FTLT, Mosey has 1 goal that is not a PP goal this year. Are you going to sit here and tell me that no one else on this team could do the same if they were put out there with the same set-up people? That is 1 even strength goal in 16 games! Yeah real production out of that guy! We don't dare take him out of the lineup. Not to mention, that along with those 6 PP goals, he has 1 PP assist. I know, I know, you're going to tell me that that isn't his roll in Motzko's PP. Hano? 2 even goals in 18 games. Know there is a guy who really couldn't benefit from watching a game bacause he MAY just break out one of these times. Jordy? 2 even goals in 18 games, but man, did he ever learn the game by playing 37 games as a freshman. Bob is not doing these guys development any favors by trying to convince himself that he must be the best recruiter n the world because he can bring in 6-8 freshman a year that can play 30+ games. For the bulk of these guys, they would benefit way more from a 24 game season, or roughly 3/4 played, and watch and learn from the stands in 1/4. Festler played the fewest games of any of last years freshmen at 27. Did that further him?

 

[First Time Long Time]

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Don't fool yourself FTLT, Mosey has 1 goal that is not a PP goal this year. Are you going to sit here and tell me that no one else on this team could do the same if they were put out there with the same set-up people? That is 1 even strength goal in 16 games! Yeah real production out of that guy! We don't dare take him out of the lineup. Not to mention, that along with those 6 PP goals, he has 1 PP assist. I know, I know, you're going to tell me that that isn't his roll in Motzko's PP. Hano? 2 even goals in 18 games. Know there is a guy who really couldn't benefit from watching a game bacause he MAY just break out one of these times. Jordy? 2 even goals in 18 games, but man, did he ever learn the game by playing 37 games as a freshman. Bob is not doing these guys development any favors by trying to convince himself that he must be the best recruiter n the world because he can bring in 6-8 freshman a year that can play 30+ games. For the bulk of these guys, they would benefit way more from a 24 game season, or roughly 3/4 played, and watch and learn from the stands in 1/4. Festler played the fewest games of any of last years freshmen at 27. Did that further him?

Why are you so hung up on even strength goals?
Do even strength goals count for more than PP or SH goals do?
Yeah, most of Mosey's goals come on the PP, who gives a ****, it's a goal.
You do realize that Christian is also one of our best PK forwards right, that he does more than score, but he should be sat because he isn't scoring more 5 on 5?
How much do you really think they are going to learn from watching and not playing?
When the only 2 forwards not playing are Ryan and Peckskamp (who also don't produce) who is going to pick up this production 5 on 5 that you so desperately crave for?
Also, Festler's games were lower because he was hurt, not because he wasn't producing.

Fact is, the guys Motzko has brought in recently are more skilled than the guys who aren't playing, if you honestly can't see that, then I really don't know what to tell you anymore.

 

[motox]

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Saturday's game basically everybody sucked, so using that against Gaudet is not fair IMO.

So you're saying when the whole team doesn't play well that's a good reason not to hold individuals accountable for their play? That's the entire reason why the team didn't play well, because of poor individual effort. In no way should anyone on this team be given a free pass for poor play. I hate that I keep harping on Gaudet because typically I like the way he plays, but Sat night was a horrible game for him and if he can't hold the blue line then he needs to sit. I didn't say Rioux was better, but how will we ever know if he is never on the ice??

They are both capable goalies, and I don't think goalie play has been the crux of our losses.

Sure, they're both capable but which one is performing come game time? Aren't you the one harping on using numbers and stats? I would think for a goalie wins and losses is a pretty big one. I would attribute goalie play to our ties against Union, UMD, and CC. Those all should have been wins. I don't know if there were any soft goals in our loss at Tech but those two pts would've been big as well. I like Lee, I think he has talent and will be very good. He just isn't playing that way right now and if you were watching the game on Saturday he is fighting the puck way more than he should be. You also say the rest of the team shouldn't focus on who is in net. Well, the guy in net shouldn't worry about how the team is playing in front of him. Step up and steal a freakin game or make some big saves so the rest of the guys feed off that. It goes both ways.

 

[wchaforever]

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Why are you so hung up on even strength goals?
Do even strength goals count for more than PP or SH goals do?
Yeah, most of Mosey's goals come on the PP, who gives a ****, it's a goal.
You do realize that Christian is also one of our best PK forwards right, that he does more than score, but he should be sat because he isn't scoring more 5 on 5?
How much do you really think they are going to learn from watching and not playing?
When the only 2 forwards not playing are Ryan and Peckskamp (who also don't produce) who is going to pick up this production 5 on 5 that you so desperately crave for?
Also, Festler's games were lower because he was hurt, not because he wasn't producing.

Fact is, the guys Motzko has brought in recently are more skilled than the guys who aren't playing, if you honestly can't see that, then I really don't know what to tell you anymore.

You're probably right. I shouldn't be so concerned about the source of our mediocrity. There are 2 or 3 teams below us in the standings that would love to have that kind of mediocrity year in and year out. Of course, they would also love to have the kind of talent that Motzko brings in every year and be able to see them show so little development from their freshmen season on, that they can be counted on to cheerfully lead the parent section in cheers night after average night. But then again, when you are 9th and 10th in the standings, 6th and 7th (or 8th and 9th when UNO and BSU roll in next year)probably looks like reaching the "golden arena" so why wouldn't they envy us?

The guys he has brought in are more skilled? Who knows? Probably, but it's not always the guys with "more skill" that make your TEAM a complete TEAM...from player 1 to player 25.

How much do you really think they are going to learn from watching and not playing? This is one of the stupidest, non-athlete statements I have ever heard. I am usually not one to criticise a comment from someone who hasn't played, because I don't believe that participation always makes one a better observer, but in this case, you are flat out, dead wrong. If you think that being on the ice is the ONLY thing that is going to benefit these guys.... we don't have any more to discuss.

 

[Montelena]

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You're probably right. I shouldn't be so concerned about the source of our mediocrity. The guys he has brought in are more skilled? Who knows? Probably, but it's not always the guys with "more skill" that make your TEAM a complete TEAM...from player 1 to player 25.

I understand the point you are making. I doubt you believe we'll have any incremental improvement in the results by inserting Ammerman, Peckskamp, Ryan and Rioux into the lineup for whomever. But, we'll be a better TEAM if it was happening. I happen to agree with that. I'm a big fan of Mitch Ryan (physical, creates opportunity, can score) and like Peckskamp (high energy) etc etc. No doubt they are interchangeable with some that are playing so why not play them.

I also get the impression you're just not a fan of Motzko. The same comments are made by fans of nearly every team in college hockey. All teams have players that sit. That's why Lofquist left the Gophers as an example.

But, to cut to the point, there really is no need not to insert these guys into the lineup. There isn't enough seperation between them and others not to do so and it may help create a happier environment for all.