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Swansong said:
You don't think conviction on these charges would have a material impact on the election?


You're smarter than that.
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I do not. In my opinion, if you held the election today, you would get virtually the same result we'll see in November.

Donald Trump is the most polarizing figure who has walked the planet during my 60+ years of existence. And it isn't even close. He's so far ahead in that regard, I'm not sure who is even in second place. Maybe the Bee Gees.

Do you really think, after Donald Trump's pre-politics life; after the 2016 election; after his tumultuous four year presidency; after the 2020 election against the same man he'll face this year; after January 6; after all of the indictments; after losing the defamation case; after getting crushed in the civil bank fraud case; after his conviction on every single count in New York, that there are voters out there today who are thinking, "just not sure on this Trump guy. Probably have to see what happens in that Georgia case."

I get the bemusement when someone comes to this board and asks us to suspend all belief, all common sense. But, c'mon. "Material impact?"
 
So the court rules that you can't put a down payment on a bribe. You must structure it such that it's 100% lump sum after the action is taken.
 
SJHovey said:
Do you really think, after Donald Trump's pre-politics life; after the 2016 election; after his tumultuous four year presidency; after the 2020 election against the same man he'll face this year; after January 6; after all of the indictments; after losing the defamation case; after getting crushed in the civil bank fraud case; after his conviction on every single count in New York, that there are voters out there today who are thinking, "just not sure on this Trump guy. Probably have to see what happens in that Georgia case."
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I do think that if he is sitting in prison then there are a few people who would not vote for him. There are a lot of idiots in the US and a majority of them vote republican but there are a few who might think twice if the candidate they're going for is in prison.

And when only 4-5 states matter in these elections, it could be that a few of those lesser idiotic people happen to live in those states.
 
SJHovey said:
The November election is a completely arbitrary date set by you, Scooby, Handy and some media members for completion of the trial. It likely has zero relevance to anyone in the criminal justice system working on the cases.

Why you guys are so worked up about whether it’s done before the election is beyond me. What do you think will happen when he is convicted? HE’S ALREADY A CONVICTED FELON. Did it force him from the race? Did he quit in shame?
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I think that a trial/conviction of trying to hoard national security documents he illegally took with him will sit heavier with a lot of his potential swing voters than committing financial fraud. Hell, given his history and the mindset of a voter of his, they may be disappointed he hasn't been convicted of more financial fraud. It's still a crime and it's good to have it in writing, but unless he goes to prison, that's more or less what they penciled him in for anyways. Something national security related would be much much more serious; don't get me wrong, it will still only pull of a small fraction of potential voters, since if you're still voting for him at this point your lack of integrity means you're willing to let damn near anything go, but it still might be a little. With the numbers as is, it doesn't have to be half of his voters, maybe just a percentage. But conviction on the documents is an extremely bad look, even for him, and might just be the only thing that moves the meter at this point; so timely movement by the justice system is a necessity.
 
Hovey is right though that the Dumpsters will never learn, the Right has no shame, and short of actually hauling The Convict in front of a firing squad nothing substantive changes.
 
SJHovey said:
I do not. In my opinion, if you held the election today, you would get virtually the same result we'll see in November.

Donald Trump is the most polarizing figure who has walked the planet during my 60+ years of existence. And it isn't even close. He's so far ahead in that regard, I'm not sure who is even in second place. Maybe the Bee Gees.

Do you really think, after Donald Trump's pre-politics life; after the 2016 election; after his tumultuous four year presidency; after the 2020 election against the same man he'll face this year; after January 6; after all of the indictments; after losing the defamation case; after getting crushed in the civil bank fraud case; after his conviction on every single count in New York, that there are voters out there today who are thinking, "just not sure on this Trump guy. Probably have to see what happens in that Georgia case."

I get the bemusement when someone comes to this board and asks us to suspend all belief, all common sense. But, c'mon. "Material impact?"
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The difference between his so-far convictions and antics and convictions for stealing classified documents and for fomenting insurrection are pretty self-evidently big, yeah? You do get that, right? Please tell me you at least can acknowledge that.
 
cF[Authentic said:
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I do think that if he is sitting in prison then there are a few people who would not vote for him. There are a lot of idiots in the US and a majority of them vote republican but there are a few who might think twice if the candidate they're going for is in prison.

And when only 4-5 states matter in these elections, it could be that a few of those lesser idiotic people happen to live in those states.
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Sure, if he's sitting in prison I suppose it raises some questions about his ability to serve as POTUS.

But here's a question for you-- Do you think he will actually go to prison, for anything, whether he is elected again or not?

I personally don't.

I think he'll be convicted, certainly by the feds. Do I think he'll go to prison? I don't. I think he'll be convicted, I think he'll get his sentence, I think there will be years of appeals, I think the convictions will be upheld, and I don't think he spends anytime in jail.

You have the issue of him being a former POTUS, with the lifetime secret service protection. He'll essentially be an 80 year old first time prisoner. In our system, that's pretty much reserved for murderers and child molesters. If I recall correctly, there was even an instance years ago where someone stole top secret documents and handed them over to a foreign government, and the court decided that it wasn't going to to throw an 80 year old into prison for that.

To me, there is one reason, and maybe one reason only why it might be beneficial to have a decision on the Florida case before the election. I could certainly see, as part of any sentence in that case, a restriction on future access to top secret documents.

But I just don't see any Court setting up a trial schedule based upon that possibility. They are not going to set a trial, or make decisions as part of pre-trial appeals, based upon a presumption of a conviction and possible sentencing terms.
 
Kepler said:
Hovey is right though that the Dumpsters will never learn, the Right has no shame, and short of actually hauling The Convict in front of a firing squad nothing substantive changes.
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But it isn't about his idiot cultists. It's about the type of person that voted Obama twice, then Trump, then Biden. Those swing people decide elections, however unfortunate that is.
 
Yeah, I agree he'll never actually face consequences. He'll appeal until he's dead, and no one will want the hassle (not to mention the danger of retaliatory violence) until appeals are exhausted.


This is our legal system. If you have the means and the will, you can drag things out for a very long time. Especially if you have 4 or 5 supreme court justices more than happy to bend over backwards for you.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
The leak or the decision?
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The decision, although, getting a chance to read a couple articles on the case now that I’m off work, looks like they dismissed it as improvidently granted (yes, I had to look up what that legal term meant) rather than ruling on the merits. So, a temporary “win” that gives conservatives plenty of time to bring it up again in a future case SCOTUS deems, well, provident.
 
The longer they drag it out the more opportunity we have to restore a Court, rather than a Barstool Sports frat.
 
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