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Swansong said:
I'm telling you. They're dumping the reasonable ones now to butter us up for the destruction of EMTALA, the final nail in the Chevron coffin, a decision that "interfering with a government activity" (or however the plain text reads) doesn't actually mean that and wipe out hundreds of January 6th convictions, and finally an absurd baby-splitting decision that some Presidents have immunity, specifically former presidents currently on trial for insurrection and stealing classified documents.


EMTALA should be 9-0 and the decision should simply site the Supremacy Clause.
Immunity should be 9-0 and should simply say "LOL GTFO, Traitor".


But they won't. Because at least 3, if not straight up 4, members of this SCOTUS are "conclusion first, reasoning whenever" *******s.
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Chevron is dead.

Immunity is likely going against Trump which is why it hasn't been announced yet. They are stalling as long as they can so the cases won't start before November.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Court has decided to take on case regarding health care for trans people

of course they are
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Seems it's specifically regarding state-level bans on gender-affirming care for trans minors.

Fingers crossed that Roberts and maybe Justice Handmaid will at least defer to privacy in medical decisionmaking when it's a birthed and living child. Not holding my breath for this court though.
 
You know how this will go. "I control-F'd the constitution and didn't see the words "trans" or "gender" in it, so these laws are perfectly fine".
 
Handyman said:
Immunity is likely going against Trump which is why it hasn't been announced yet. They are stalling as long as they can so the cases won't start before November.
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Yeah, doubtful it has anything to do with the fact that the case was just argued at the end of April.
 
SJHovey said:
Yeah, doubtful it has anything to do with the fact that the case was just argued at the end of April.
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You do realize not all cases heard before the Court take extra long to get decisions from right?

But I am sure this decision is taking a lot of time because they need to look up a lot of precedent and Constitutional Language...
 
Handyman said:
You do realize not all cases heard before the Court take extra long to get decisions from right?

But I am sure this decision is taking a lot of time because they need to look up a lot of precedent and Constitutional Language...
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Extra long?

I have no idea as to the average length of time between oral argument and decision, but it certainly seems to me that it's longer than two months. I would think that's even more likely with a case where there is going to be a lot of attention drawn to it.
 
SCOTUS heard oral arguments in the Colorado ballot/14th amendment case in February and released a decision about a month later. They can absolutely move quickly when they want to.


Once again, SJHovey just being disingenuous. There is absolutely no excuse to sit on this for this long, except to delay.
 
Swansong said:
SCOTUS heard oral arguments in the Colorado ballot/14th amendment case in February and released a decision about a month later. They can absolutely move quickly when they want to.


Once again, SJHovey just being disingenuous. There is absolutely no excuse to sit on this for this long, except to delay.
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Correct. They wanted everything pushed out till after the Orange God gets elected again. Mission accomplished. Meanwhile, the citizenry gets no answer on his guilt or innocence on January 6th, OR the Big Lie (election interference) OR, the stealing of Top Secret documents before the election in November.

Sounds a lot like how a Banana Republic would operate.
 
Swansong said:
SCOTUS heard oral arguments in the Colorado ballot/14th amendment case in February and released a decision about a month later. They can absolutely move quickly when they want to.


Once again, SJHovey just being disingenuous. There is absolutely no excuse to sit on this for this long, except to delay.
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Meh, if it's going to be 5-2-1-1 or 6-1-1-1, there are absolutely reasons it could take longer than a month. Some writers are simply slow, others want to address any dissents and back and forth. Someone's concurrence may have stolen the majority opinion after further reflection. They could be finishing up others first simply because that's where they are in their work queue. We don't know.

Most cases take longer than a month to turn around, so acting like that's also normal practice is also a bit disingenuous. As of 2021 (last full stat pack made by scotusblog.com), the average time between argument and decision was over 100 days.

The fact that it won't be 9-0 is concerning. That is taking 60 days instead of 30, Meh. That's a nothing burger.
 
I didn't suggest it was common for a quick turnaroud, just that it is 100% possible when they decided to make it so.


And I will disagree and said that it might take 60 days vs. 30 is concerning. It's such an obvious thing and so timely - the trial is actively going on now and ideally would/could have been completed prior to the election.
 
unofan said:
Meh, if it's going to be 5-2-1-1 or 6-1-1-1, there are absolutely reasons it could take longer than a month. Some writers are simply slow, others want to address any dissents and back and forth. Someone's concurrence may have stolen the majority opinion after further reflection. They could be finishing up others first simply because that's where they are in their work queue. We don't know.

Most cases take longer than a month to turn around, so acting like that's also normal practice is also a bit disingenuous. As of 2021 (last full stat pack made by scotusblog.com), the average time between argument and decision was over 100 days.

The fact that it won't be 9-0 is concerning. That is taking 60 days instead of 30, Meh. That's a nothing burger.
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It should be one of the shortest opinions and go 9-0

"The president is not a king."
unsigned

(also this could still be 8-1 with about seven concurring opinions)
 
Swansong said:
I didn't suggest it was common for a quick turnaroud, just that it is 100% possible when they decided to make it so.


And I will disagree and said that it might take 60 days vs. 30 is concerning. It's such an obvious thing and so timely - the trial is actively going on now and ideally would/could have been completed prior to the election.
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The November election is a completely arbitrary date set by you, Scooby, Handy and some media members for completion of the trial. It likely has zero relevance to anyone in the criminal justice system working on the cases.

Why you guys are so worked up about whether it’s done before the election is beyond me. What do you think will happen when he is convicted? HE’S ALREADY A CONVICTED FELON. Did it force him from the race? Did he quit in shame?
 
You don't think conviction on these charges would have a material impact on the election?


You're smarter than that.
 
SJHovey said:
Did it force him from the race? Did he quit in shame?
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Was Hillary forced from the race? Did she quit in shame when eleven days before the election a new investigation was opened into her emails?

No.

But did it have an effect on voters? Absolutely.

It's unlikely the shift would be similar if Trump was convicted in another state court, and in federal court, as those who are voting for Trump will always vote for Trump. But, could it swing votes in the 5 states that actually matter? Potentially. And that's why timing is important.

But you know all of that.
 
SJHovey said:
The November election is a completely arbitrary date set by you, Scooby, Handy and some media members for completion of the trial. It likely has zero relevance to anyone in the criminal justice system working on the cases.

Why you guys are so worked up about whether it’s done before the election is beyond me. What do you think will happen when he is convicted? HE’S ALREADY A CONVICTED FELON. Did it force him from the race? Did he quit in shame?
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If it were me I would be rotting in Ryker's right now for the rest of my life. Apparently no one really cares how dangerous he is. Now his gag order has been partially lifted. It's like no one cares that he already killed Capital Police.

Someone else is going to die. And no one really fucking cares. And that is the problem more than anything else.
 
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