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SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
No, it's not different now. Gender is not black and white. Never has been. Science finally figured that out, now the law needs to apply as it was originally written.
No, it's not different now. Gender is not black and white. Never has been. Science finally figured that out, now the law needs to apply as it was originally written.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
This is partially correct.
This is entirely incorrect. The intent of the original law was to prohibit discrimination on the basis of biological sex. However, our comprehension of sex is now much more advanced and we understand its scope to include many other things: partner preference, self-identification, etc. However, that is all still sex. Therefore the original statute is sufficient to compel protection of all those rights.
You don't have to keep adding rights specifically for a protected class once its established. They are protected as they become part of the definition of membership in that class. We didn't have to add new amendments to cover the right of free speech on telephones or the internet -- they are covered under the definition of "speech" even though the Founders could not have imagined the new media. Such is it with the redefinition of "sex."
Societies get to declare their own rules through common usage. That is a political process but the few stragglers who didn't get the memo don't get to declare they are forever the default. That's not how living civilizations work.
This is partially correct.
This is entirely incorrect. The intent of the original law was to prohibit discrimination on the basis of biological sex. However, our comprehension of sex is now much more advanced and we understand its scope to include many other things: partner preference, self-identification, etc. However, that is all still sex. Therefore the original statute is sufficient to compel protection of all those rights.
You don't have to keep adding rights specifically for a protected class once its established. They are protected as they become part of the definition of membership in that class. We didn't have to add new amendments to cover the right of free speech on telephones or the internet -- they are covered under the definition of "speech" even though the Founders could not have imagined the new media. Such is it with the redefinition of "sex."
Societies get to declare their own rules through common usage. That is a political process but the few stragglers who didn't get the memo don't get to declare they are forever the default. That's not how living civilizations work.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
if it was written correctly in its origin, it would not be in question
if it was written correctly in its origin, it would not be in question
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
LOL. What planet are you living on exactly?
LOL. What planet are you living on exactly?
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
planet of the apes
planet of the apes
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
If it's that clear, then why do cities and states continue to adopt sexual orientation as a protected category separate and apart from sex discrimination?
If it's that clear, then why do cities and states continue to adopt sexual orientation as a protected category separate and apart from sex discrimination?
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
Here's a link to an article on the subject.
Here's a link to an article on the subject.
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
The Equality Act passed the House, but Trump isn't a fan of it, so McConnell won't let the Senate vote on it.
The Equality Act passed the House, but Trump isn't a fan of it, so McConnell won't let the Senate vote on it.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
Because there's one entire political party devoted to scuttling these rights in order to make hay with the rubes, so they are covering their bases.
That part's simple. You do what you can. You save who you can. When you see the Nazis coming, you act.
Because there's one entire political party devoted to scuttling these rights in order to make hay with the rubes, so they are covering their bases.
That part's simple. You do what you can. You save who you can. When you see the Nazis coming, you act.
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
Because it's not yet been ruled upon as to whether or not it's a protected status at the federal level. So cities, counties and states have taken it upon themselves to preserve personal rights and dignity on their own.
Because it's not yet been ruled upon as to whether or not it's a protected status at the federal level. So cities, counties and states have taken it upon themselves to preserve personal rights and dignity on their own.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
The Grim Reaper is never going to let it through. Democrats will have to clean sweep in 2020 or it will wait another whole two years after that.
The Grim Reaper is never going to let it through. Democrats will have to clean sweep in 2020 or it will wait another whole two years after that.
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
He won't even bring it to a vote. So when people like joe tell me to wait for Congress... ffffff that shhhhhhhh.
He won't even bring it to a vote. So when people like joe tell me to wait for Congress... ffffff that shhhhhhhh.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
We need a clean sweep for a lot of reasons. Since the GOP became a full fledged fascist party we need to remove their majorities from all three branches however that is legally possible. That means winning the White House and both chambers and packing the courts (it's not illegal). There are no norms anymore so we have to stop fighting Nazis who cheat by observing the rules of etiquette. To what end? We can rebuild civility after we've scoured these traitors out of our institutions once and for all.
This has been coming for a long time -- at least 40 years but really it's been the worm in the apple right from the beginning when the feudal slave states were allowed to join the union as a necessary evil to present common cause to fight off the British. We have been two countries for 200 years -- a smart, tolerant, liberal one and a dumb, vicious, conservative one. It's taken a long, long time but we are finally reaching the tipping point where the truly stupid are lurching into the minority. For the first time in history the smart people don't have to hide and pretend the dummies matter.
But before we get to the end we're going to have to deal with all their pent up hatred and bile and idiocy. That's what this is. It's been a long time coming but we're this close to being free.
We need a clean sweep for a lot of reasons. Since the GOP became a full fledged fascist party we need to remove their majorities from all three branches however that is legally possible. That means winning the White House and both chambers and packing the courts (it's not illegal). There are no norms anymore so we have to stop fighting Nazis who cheat by observing the rules of etiquette. To what end? We can rebuild civility after we've scoured these traitors out of our institutions once and for all.
This has been coming for a long time -- at least 40 years but really it's been the worm in the apple right from the beginning when the feudal slave states were allowed to join the union as a necessary evil to present common cause to fight off the British. We have been two countries for 200 years -- a smart, tolerant, liberal one and a dumb, vicious, conservative one. It's taken a long, long time but we are finally reaching the tipping point where the truly stupid are lurching into the minority. For the first time in history the smart people don't have to hide and pretend the dummies matter.
But before we get to the end we're going to have to deal with all their pent up hatred and bile and idiocy. That's what this is. It's been a long time coming but we're this close to being free.
unofan
Well-known member
I believe Oregon still allows it.
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
Well, in 2020, I'll get out for that clean sweep.
And today, I also read that the trans case was mostly arguing about trans people in bathrooms, not about hearing any actual legal arguments. So excuse me while I feel ill.
And Hovey...yes, 26 states say it's okay to fire me for being bi/pan and trans. My problem is that the 26 states includes Michigan, and our brain dead Republican state legislature will never authorize LGBT civil rights because of "religious freedom." Understand now?
Well, in 2020, I'll get out for that clean sweep.
And today, I also read that the trans case was mostly arguing about trans people in bathrooms, not about hearing any actual legal arguments. So excuse me while I feel ill.
And Hovey...yes, 26 states say it's okay to fire me for being bi/pan and trans. My problem is that the 26 states includes Michigan, and our brain dead Republican state legislature will never authorize LGBT civil rights because of "religious freedom." Understand now?
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
And on what's before the Court in my case:
Bear in mind, I am willing to share what I know and point you to resources that can assist you in acquiring knowledge up to a point. My mom was disabled from birth and grumpy about it her entire life, so I have a fair amount of patience. However, if I can tell you're choosing not to understand, I will sigh and move on.
And on what's before the Court in my case:
Bear in mind, I am willing to share what I know and point you to resources that can assist you in acquiring knowledge up to a point. My mom was disabled from birth and grumpy about it her entire life, so I have a fair amount of patience. However, if I can tell you're choosing not to understand, I will sigh and move on.
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Re: SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!
And I can't educate this. This is why I stopped trying to educate conservatives... too many questions on where I pee and what's in my pants.
http://www.newnownext.com/supreme-c...o4j43QtzF1RPVwNP6PWQ5y2Oh3gyjWEaeQCENowaBXmFs
And I can't educate this. This is why I stopped trying to educate conservatives... too many questions on where I pee and what's in my pants.
http://www.newnownext.com/supreme-c...o4j43QtzF1RPVwNP6PWQ5y2Oh3gyjWEaeQCENowaBXmFs
Because there are lots of *******s like you who would still infringe on their civil rights even though it really is that clear. Just because everyone agrees that murder is clearly wrong does not mean that we don’t need laws against murder. Quite the contrary, and only a murderer would argue otherwise.
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