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Save Uah Hockey!

Re: Save Uah Hockey!

Couple of things. First the housekeeping thing. The Big Ten is on record as stating no matter how many teams were to add hockey (Penn State being the one talked about most even though we all know it ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN) they won't force the issue of competing under the flag of the Big 10. The myth of the 6 team threshold needs to be put to rest. It's almost as annoying as any talk of the BTHC to begin with.

The other thing I find disturbing is all the speculation that if other teams fold, or the RIGHT teams fold maybe UAH ends up in the CCHA after all or perhaps another league takes them on. If this is what it takes we've got a lot of troubles in the D1 hockey world. Because when it comes to teams folding, does it really matter to any of us which team it is barring those who root for whoever folds of course?
 
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lah02476 said:
My thinking is that maybe one of the Atlantic Hockey programs will fold (AIC?), and maybe UAH could end up joining Atlantic Hockey eventually if they don't get into the CCHA.

But, I agree, this is really bush league and elitist on the part of the CCHA. :mad:
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AIC has never been mentioned for anything as far as dropping their hockey program.

Let's try to keep the rumor mill quiet around here especially with baseless accusations. This isn't Eklund's website.
 
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aparch said:
Speaking of the travel rules... if you're Ferris State (let's ignore the two outliers in Lake State and NMU...) and you're headed to Huntsville for a Friday night at 7:30 pm Central game that means that the earliest your bus can leave is Wednesday at 8:30 pm Eastern.

It's 770 miles via I-65, roughly 11-1/2 hours, from Big Rapids to Huntsville. Load the bus up and head out at 8:30 on the nose. Say you drive all the way to Fort Wayne, 3-1/2 hours and 230 miles down the road. Check in and head out by 10 am (8 hrs rest, breakfast, etc.). It's now Thursday and Ferris State still has just over eight hours and 540 miles to go.

Arrive in Huntsville at 6 pm. Drop equipment off at the rink, check into the hotel, team dinner, and all of a sudden it's bed time.

Friday morning: Game tape, breakfast and lunch routines, possible light skate in the AM, prepare for the game.

...

Saturday night, load crap on the bus right after the game, head North to try and get a hotel room in Nashville or Bowling Green, Kentucky, so you can make it back to Big Rapids so the players can attend their Monday morning classes.


Oh and by the way UAH fans; with this schedule, just WHEN are these visiting players supposed to tour the rocket museum, see the downtown area, and other "perks" that the president of UAH promoted in their CCHA video?
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So, you're saying FSU is the same bus-travel time from UAH as NMU is from Miami, right (sure, it's 100 miles shorter, but since so much of it is not interstate, it's still 11.5 hours...)? So, what's the problem?
 
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aparch said:
It's 770 miles via I-65, roughly 11-1/2 hours, from Big Rapids to Huntsville. Load the bus up and head out at 8:30 on the nose. Say you drive all the way to Fort Wayne, 3-1/2 hours and 230 miles down the road. Check in and head out by 10 am (8 hrs rest, breakfast, etc.). It's now Thursday and Ferris State still has just over eight hours and 540 miles to go.
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Bulls--t.

Drive through the night, stopping for approx. 20 minutes somewhere south of Indy to swap drivers.

Midday skate at the ice plex to stretch the legs when you get into town.

Meal.

Check-in Thursday night.

This is every week for UAH. Qwicha bichin.

aparch said:
Oh and by the way UAH fans; with this schedule, just WHEN are these visiting players supposed to tour the rocket museum, see the downtown area, and other "perks" that the president of UAH promoted in their CCHA video?
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Ask Yale. They pulled it off.
 
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Uah would be one of the better teams in the Atlantic. It would probably benefit both of them if UAH were to join. I'm sure AF and Army would not mind some home and homes with them. CCHA may be too big a leap for them at this time.:)
 
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GFM, up here in Laker land most people i know were shocked with the ccha's decision.

As a college hockey fanatic i wish the Chargers all the best hopefully something will pan out.
 
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Henry said:
Uah would be one of the better teams in the Atlantic. It would probably benefit both of them if UAH were to join. I'm sure AF and Army would not mind some home and homes with them. CCHA may be too big a leap for them at this time.:)
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UAH applied to join the MAAC in 1998 and were given a flat out "no, you're not in our geographic footprint."
 
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ecbrevik said:
Sorry about the rejected application UAH, and good luck finding a permanent home!

It doesn't need to be and shouldn't be, this is about UAH.
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I agree it is about a conference snubbing its nose at CCHA and trying to make it look like it wasn't. It's about as dumb as dumb as the CCHA commish saying you can have UAF but you shouldn't have taken UNO.
 
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IrishHockeyFan said:
Couple of things. First the housekeeping thing. The Big Ten is on record as stating no matter how many teams were to add hockey (Penn State being the one talked about most even though we all know it ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN) they won't force the issue of competing under the flag of the Big 10. The myth of the 6 team threshold needs to be put to rest. It's almost as annoying as any talk of the BTHC to begin with.

The other thing I find disturbing is all the speculation that if other teams fold, or the RIGHT teams fold maybe UAH ends up in the CCHA after all or perhaps another league takes them on. If this is what it takes we've got a lot of troubles in the D1 hockey world. Because when it comes to teams folding, does it really matter to any of us which team it is barring those who root for whoever folds of course?
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You might want to tell that to the Minnesota Gopher fans.
 
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IrishHockeyFan said:
The other thing I find disturbing is all the speculation that if other teams fold, or the RIGHT teams fold maybe UAH ends up in the CCHA after all or perhaps another league takes them on. If this is what it takes we've got a lot of troubles in the D1 hockey world. Because when it comes to teams folding, does it really matter to any of us which team it is barring those who root for whoever folds of course?
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I don't want any school to fold, whether it's UAH, the rumors around BGSU, or anyone else. I hated to see Findlay and Wayne State go, and I didn't like it when Iona and Fairfield folded.

Geof
 
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moose97 said:
So, you're saying FSU is the same bus-travel time from UAH as NMU is from Miami, right (sure, it's 100 miles shorter, but since so much of it is not interstate, it's still 11.5 hours...)? So, what's the problem?
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There isn't one. This is just another weak excuse not to accept UAH.
 
Re: Save Uah Hockey! - a lot of troubles in the D1 hockey world

Re: Save Uah Hockey! - a lot of troubles in the D1 hockey world

IrishHockeyFan said:
...The other thing I find disturbing is all the speculation that if other teams fold, or the RIGHT teams fold maybe UAH ends up in the CCHA after all or perhaps another league takes them on. If this is what it takes we've got a lot of troubles in the D1 hockey world. Because when it comes to teams folding, does it really matter to any of us which team it is barring those who root for whoever folds of course?
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Trend lines don't lie; D1 hockey is in a lot of trouble.
With no mechanism for adding new programs, D1 hockey is in a lot of trouble.
If the NCAA is willing to let a viable D1 hockey program disappear because other teams don't won't them playing in their sandbox, D1 hockey is in a lot of trouble.
 
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Goon said:
Yet they take Air Force. Hey that makes a lot of sense.
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The MAAC and AHA are not the same thing. The MAAC also pulled a stunt on Findlay prior to them joining the league.

Besides, Atlantic Hockey stepped up and took two teams.
 
Re: Save Uah Hockey! - a lot of troubles in the D1 hockey world

Re: Save Uah Hockey! - a lot of troubles in the D1 hockey world

tnlong said:
If the NCAA is willing to let a viable D1 hockey program disappear because other teams don't won't them playing in their sandbox, D1 hockey is in a lot of trouble.
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By "the NCAA", do you mean all of the other existing D-I programs? Or do you mean the NCAA itself?

Because if its the latter, you are sorely mistaken. Short of something illegal, there's nothing that the NCAA can do to make sure that UAH survives. They can't force a conference to accept them. They can't tell UAH not to fold when it will likely be next to impossible to survive as an independent. What are they going to do: mandate that every team visit Huntsville within the next five years?

On the other hand, if the CCHA won't budge, UAH's survival hinges on the ability of other schools to provide UAH with enough non-conference dates (especially dates in Huntsville) that UAH can actually make some money with their hockey program. And that is out of the NCAA's control.
 
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Goon said:
I agree it is about a conference snubbing its nose at CCHA and trying to make it look like it wasn't. It's about as dumb as dumb as the CCHA commish saying you can have UAF but you shouldn't have taken UNO.
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Does anyone have the link to a Goon/English translator for me? :confused:
 
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Ed Trefzger said:
The MAAC and AHA are not the same thing. The MAAC also pulled a stunt on Findlay prior to them joining the league.

Besides, Atlantic Hockey stepped up and took two teams.
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So taking two instead of four is stepping up? If AHA had been willing to take all four we wouldn't be in this mess. Don't make them out to be the nice guys in this one. The four CHA schools made a very solid proposal to merge with AHA to which they said thanks but no thanks. So then they went ahead and took Niagara and Robert Morris leaving UAH and Bemidji floating in the wind.
 
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ChargerBlue said:
So taking two instead of four is stepping up? If AHA had been willing to take all four we wouldn't be in this mess. Don't make them out to be the nice guys in this one. The four CHA schools made a very solid proposal to merge with AHA to which they said thanks but no thanks. So then they went ahead and took Niagara and Robert Morris leaving UAH and Bemidji floating in the wind.
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They took 2 of the 4, which is twice as many as anyone else did. Do you know what a headache it must've been to take in two new teams, and you're asking that they should've doubled that? That's unrealistic, and AHA did MORE than their fair share.
 
Re: Save Uah Hockey! - NCAA require public ballots

Re: Save Uah Hockey! - NCAA require public ballots

gfmorris said:
... , but it becomes quite obvious that Forrest Karr is on the Chargers' side. We appreciate that. Go Nanooks! :)

GFM
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An interesting question is "what was Michigan State's position?" The talk two years ago was that UAH was Danton's entry into D1 hockey as a stepping stone to the MI State job. That's one reason many had a lot of confidence in UAH making it into the CCHA. However, either Mason or Cromley (I don't remember which) made a statement last year that was less than optimistic about UAH being accepted. Did Danton's record during his first two years at UAH put an insurmountable object in his path to MI State?

With N. MI, Lake Superior, & Ferris having the only "real" travel concerns, how close would a "real" vote on the subject have been?

One thing that the NCAA could/should do is to require "OPENNESS" in all conference activities. Public disclosure of all minutes from all meetings with actual ballots being required for all decisions should be required.
 
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