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Sandusky/Penn State scandal

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dxmnkd316 said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. It doesn't explain the fact that neither the grad student or JoePa went straight to the police. I'd have been on the phone as I ran out of the locker room. Any decent human being would have done the same. And if that went nowhere, I'd have called the FBI, the local investigative journalists, EVERYONE
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It's already been proven that JoePa did what he was legally required to do. THE million dollar question, which NONE of us know the answer to as of yet, is HOW much did he know?

Personally, I think because he was JoePa, he was "shut out" by the perjurers, so JoePa WOULD be labeled as an innocent, saving the face of the program, because we all know JoePa is the face of the program. The less he knew, he better. I HOPE I'm right, but I could very well be wrong.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Personally, I think because he was JoePa, he was "shut out" by the perjurers, so JoePa WOULD be labeled as an innocent, saving the face of the program, because we all know JoePa is the face of the program. The less he knew, he better. I HOPE I'm right, but I could very well be wrong.
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Not gonna speak for you, but from things I've heard/read, there are plenty of people who don't/won't view Paterno as innocent, no matter what comes of this. I don't think the face of the program has been saved despite their best efforts (if that's what they intended).
 
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Brenthoven said:
It's already been proven that JoePa did what he was legally required to do. THE million dollar question, which NONE of us know the answer to as of yet, is HOW much did he know?

Personally, I think because he was JoePa, he was "shut out" by the perjurers, so JoePa WOULD be labeled as an innocent, saving the face of the program, because we all know JoePa is the face of the program. The less he knew, he better. I HOPE I'm right, but I could very well be wrong.
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Again, WHY THE HELL DIDN'T HE CALL THE COPS IMMEDIATELY?

Screw his superiors. I'd be on the phone with the cops immediately. Even if I was only told, "I saw someone doing something indecent in the shower with someone else." I'd have asked the person telling me to explain until I was fully satisfied nothing illegal took place.

Something doesn't add up here.
 
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J.D. said:
Not gonna speak for you, but from things I've heard/read, there are plenty of people who don't/won't view Paterno as innocent, no matter what comes of this. I don't think the face of the program has been saved despite their best efforts (if that's what they intended).
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Oh I know. And there will be people who defend JoePa to the death.

And dx, he also notified the campus police, who apparently are pretty much like the real police.

I'm not saying he's going to be found innocent. I'm just asking that people wait before judgement. There's MUCH more to this story, I am sure.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Oh I know. And there will be people who defend JoePa to the death.

And dx, he also notified the campus police, who apparently are pretty much like the real police.

I'm not saying he's going to be found innocent. I'm just asking that people wait before judgement. There's MUCH more to this story, I am sure.
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I'm sorry, but if after a month I hadn't seen anything, I'd have escalated the issue. Even after a week I'd have been antsy.
 
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I've admired and respected JoePa for as long as I've truly understood what's going on in college football..this whole thing is just scary.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
JFC. I'm probably late to the part with the following post but this is how I see it:

The graduate student, JoePa, and everyone up the chain of command should be thrown in jail. If I saw this, I would be on the phone with the police before I even left the building.
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most sensible thing I've read on this thread.
 
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This from Cory Giger of the Altoona Mirror:

Press release from Penn State about Joe Paterno's press conference Tuesday:

Media planning to attend Tuesday's Penn State Football weekly teleconference are advised that that primary focus of the teleconference is to answer questions related to Penn State's Senior Day game with Nebraska this Saturday. Head coach Joe Paterno and any Penn State Football student-athletes in attendance will be answering questions about the Nebraska game, Penn State's season thus far and other topics related to the current college football season.
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In other words, beat writers (and the rest of the media that will assemble) continue to lob your softball questions at JoePa and you'll get the typical answers you've come to expect. Any other questions are likely to go unanswered, as you have been warned.

I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if anyone wondered the same thing I have wondered about Mike McQueary, but why did a 6'4" 240 pound recently graduated division 1 football player walk away when he saw a 60 something perverted old man RAPING a 10 year old boy. Why wasn't he pounding the living 5h!t out of him? May God have mercy on me if I ever witness something like that and don't immediately do EVERYTHING in my power to stop it. There would have been plenty of time to call 911, Joe Paterno and your father AFTER the person raping a 10 year old was splattered all over that shower room floor.
 
huskyfan said:
most sensible thing I've read on this thread.
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Completely ignoring the fact that JoePa did call the police.

Why is everyone assuming we know what JoePa knew? Everyone is using words like "I find it hard to believe he didn't know more". I think people are criminalizing him because he's the name. Why is most of this thread about JoePa and not really about anyone who WITNESSED the incidents? Because people know who JoePa is...
 
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Hammer said:
Here's the grand jury report

You probably don't (really don't) want to read it.
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sigh. No need to add to how appaled one can be.

But the other thing that gets me is the time. The reports of assult start in 1996. It's 2011. 15 years? Really? Based on the number of people, I would not be shocked if this happened prior to that, but the facts based on the Grand Jury have it starting in 1996.

That sucks that it took SO LONG. Had the first incident been reported in a correct and timely fashion, and lawful repercussions took place, the post 2000 assults probably would have never happened. It sucks even more that there were a couple of investigations that apparently didn't result in anything.

The report does clearly state that Paterno was told by the graduate assitant and his father, so if it was a question whether he knew or not, the Grand Jury has already decided that he knew.



Other crimes are reported and dealt with in a more timely fashion. Why not this one? Since it was not, the victim total as reported by the Grand Jury was longer than it should have been.
 
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Sorry I'm late, but here's my take. It's just sad what happened. I feel for and pray for the victims. Some heads really do need to roll over this. If Paterno did have knowledge. he has to go. This may be the thing that finally gets him to step down.
 
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Penn State has cancelled today's Paterno press conference. I guess they sensed a few of the members of the press assembled were holding baseballs, and not softballs and marshmallows.

ETA: text of release from PSU cancelling presser:
November 8, 2011
Due to the on-going legal circumstances centered around the recent allegations and charges we have determined that today's press conference cannot be held and will not be re-scheduled.
 
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Not surprising. You can't throw an 83 year old man to the wolves in this situation. Even if he's not fired or forced out, he's retiring after this season. From an outsider's perspective, the fact that he sits in the coaches' box upstairs without a headset on makes you wonder how much actual coaching he's still doing. It looks a bit more like the "figurehead only" position Florida State offered Bowden if he was going to insist on coaching in 2010.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Penn State has cancelled today's Paterno press conference. I guess they sensed a few of the members of the press assembled were holding baseballs, and not softballs and marshmallows.

ETA: text of release from PSU cancelling presser:
November 8, 2011
Due to the on-going legal circumstances centered around the recent allegations and charges we have determined that today's press conference cannot be held and will not be re-scheduled.
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Note to self: run plans through Legal before announcing them.
 
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The name of his book is very unfortunate.

Also read that Sandusky's son is the top assistant to the Cleveland Browns GM. He's taken a leave of absence. Has to be horrific for the family to hear these things. You have to think its a possibility his own kids had no idea.
 
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