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Sandusky/Penn State scandal
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Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
(Or, alternatively... this never would have happened if Joe Paterno were still alive...)
Is it bad taste for me to reply that this isn't much of a question considering he's already undead?
(Or, alternatively... this never would have happened if Joe Paterno were still alive...)
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While I chuckle, my question was actually serious.
And if that was a riot.....wow. Amateurs.
While I chuckle, my question was actually serious.
And if that was a riot.....wow. Amateurs.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
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Nice to see that the NBA presser to say "we're all still selfish a-holes" gets to cut in, but all Wilson Ramos gets for getting kidnapped at gunpoint is a blurb on the bottom line....
Great job ESPN!!!!!
Nice to see that the NBA presser to say "we're all still selfish a-holes" gets to cut in, but all Wilson Ramos gets for getting kidnapped at gunpoint is a blurb on the bottom line....
Great job ESPN!!!!!
MavHockey14
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My dad's been an Iowa fan for 46 years..always respected and admired Coac Paterno..like millions, Saturday will mark the first time PSU doesn't have Joe on the sidelines in his lifetime.
It's so shocking a man like JoePa has this happen. Just sad his career had to end this way.
My dad's been an Iowa fan for 46 years..always respected and admired Coac Paterno..like millions, Saturday will mark the first time PSU doesn't have Joe on the sidelines in his lifetime.
It's so shocking a man like JoePa has this happen. Just sad his career had to end this way.
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At this point, it would honestly be more shocking if we found out that we already DO know everything...
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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They probably can't, but they also don't really have a choice, apart from suspending the rest of the season and forfeiting all the games, including the right to go to a bowl.
They also really only need to trust Tom Bradley for about a month, at which point I expect any coach on PSU's staff without an exit strategy will be given one.
They probably can't, but they also don't really have a choice, apart from suspending the rest of the season and forfeiting all the games, including the right to go to a bowl.
They also really only need to trust Tom Bradley for about a month, at which point I expect any coach on PSU's staff without an exit strategy will be given one.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Huh. From five months ago...
http://m.timesonline.com/mobile/col...cle_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html
And still nothing happened until this week?
Huh. From five months ago...
http://m.timesonline.com/mobile/col...cle_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html
And still nothing happened until this week?
Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
Couple of things for me- one short, one longer.
I was going to comment about how sport has been elevated so much in society that this could logically take place. Since that was brought up quite a few pages ago, the introspective following will be quite interesting. And will this be the anvil that breaks the camel's back in terms of how sport has gotten a little out of hand in society? I kinda doubt it. But who knows.
The other part is more about the system as opposed to the actual scandal. This whole debacle has done a great job illustrating that there are issues with "chain of command" reporting when it comes to issues. My wife and I talked a lot about it last night.
So you are are work, and witness a crime- whats the first thing you do? Since most of us work for someone, the probable answer is that you report it to your boss. So, depending on the crime, is that right? If you see a pick pocket, eh... Fisticuffs? Still probably no question, although it gets a little grey if weapons are involved. White color crime (insider trading, or bribes, or whatnot? I'd bet most of us have real procedures in place for this specific kind of crime. Rape? Murder? IS there a point where you should call the police as well? Honest question, as I bet most of us would still go to our immediate supervisor. But do you KNOW if that's the right thing to do?
Next step- you do the chain of command reporting, but no repercussions take place- that you can tell. Some of the above may lead to pay cuts, some may lead to a few days at home without pay, some would lead to firing, some would lead to FBI coming to your desk to sieze all of your stuff. Depending on what happened, you may never know, and even some penalites that don't include the police for a crime. But what if the crime should include the police? And you see nothing happen. Then what?
We do see that not reporting crimes is also criminal in many cases. And that responsibility does lie at the top of a chain of command.
When *should* we make sure that the police are notified? (on that note- I'd be willing to bet that there's an annonomous tip line that's in your company, I know mine does)
It's an iteresting thread to go down. And was clearly exposed by this scandal.
Couple of things for me- one short, one longer.
I was going to comment about how sport has been elevated so much in society that this could logically take place. Since that was brought up quite a few pages ago, the introspective following will be quite interesting. And will this be the anvil that breaks the camel's back in terms of how sport has gotten a little out of hand in society? I kinda doubt it. But who knows.
The other part is more about the system as opposed to the actual scandal. This whole debacle has done a great job illustrating that there are issues with "chain of command" reporting when it comes to issues. My wife and I talked a lot about it last night.
So you are are work, and witness a crime- whats the first thing you do? Since most of us work for someone, the probable answer is that you report it to your boss. So, depending on the crime, is that right? If you see a pick pocket, eh... Fisticuffs? Still probably no question, although it gets a little grey if weapons are involved. White color crime (insider trading, or bribes, or whatnot? I'd bet most of us have real procedures in place for this specific kind of crime. Rape? Murder? IS there a point where you should call the police as well? Honest question, as I bet most of us would still go to our immediate supervisor. But do you KNOW if that's the right thing to do?
Next step- you do the chain of command reporting, but no repercussions take place- that you can tell. Some of the above may lead to pay cuts, some may lead to a few days at home without pay, some would lead to firing, some would lead to FBI coming to your desk to sieze all of your stuff. Depending on what happened, you may never know, and even some penalites that don't include the police for a crime. But what if the crime should include the police? And you see nothing happen. Then what?
We do see that not reporting crimes is also criminal in many cases. And that responsibility does lie at the top of a chain of command.
When *should* we make sure that the police are notified? (on that note- I'd be willing to bet that there's an annonomous tip line that's in your company, I know mine does)
It's an iteresting thread to go down. And was clearly exposed by this scandal.
bigblue_dl
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I understand what you're trying to get at, but I think that for nearly everyone, murder and rape fall on the "call the cops" side of the line, no matter what. If I walk into the bathroom at work and witness a rape or murder, I don't call my supervisor, I call 911. IMO, that type of crime is 100% different than insider trading or cooking the books, etc. that you might witness at work. For those business type crimes, I would go to my supervisor and the company's legal team and report it.
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Exactly what I'm getting at. Spot on.
What's funny is that your answer may not be the same for everyone. And it may not even be correct. If this had happened on a federal facility, you would not call the police, but an entirely different group of people- since the jurisdiction is quite different. And still- who's responsibility is it to make that call? Yours, your boss, or higher up?
I honestly think that not everyone would actully call the police. They may say so right now, but given the exact same situation, dunno.
For sure, something to think about. Maybe even something that we should all bring up to our bosses and HR. While the odds of a major crime happening at work is very, very small, cases like this show that it can happen.
Exactly what I'm getting at. Spot on.
What's funny is that your answer may not be the same for everyone. And it may not even be correct. If this had happened on a federal facility, you would not call the police, but an entirely different group of people- since the jurisdiction is quite different. And still- who's responsibility is it to make that call? Yours, your boss, or higher up?
I honestly think that not everyone would actully call the police. They may say so right now, but given the exact same situation, dunno.
For sure, something to think about. Maybe even something that we should all bring up to our bosses and HR. While the odds of a major crime happening at work is very, very small, cases like this show that it can happen.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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I don't know if this was asked but here is my question. Let's say in 2002, Mike McQueary confronts Sandusky when the incident occurred, and calls the cops on the spot. Does Paterno keep his job? I mean there are allegations of this back in 1998? Would Paterno have survived then? It's likely he still goes then isn't it?
I don't know if this was asked but here is my question. Let's say in 2002, Mike McQueary confronts Sandusky when the incident occurred, and calls the cops on the spot. Does Paterno keep his job? I mean there are allegations of this back in 1998? Would Paterno have survived then? It's likely he still goes then isn't it?
dubbie31
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Good question. I honestly think he would have had to step down. But, I don't think the scandal would have blown up quite as much as it has now.
What will be interesting is how much more this will blow up.
Good question. I honestly think he would have had to step down. But, I don't think the scandal would have blown up quite as much as it has now.
What will be interesting is how much more this will blow up.
dubbie31
58, 60, 61, 68, 69, 04, 05, 17, 22, 24
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I'm with you. I'm trying to get as many facts before I form opinions. I read some of the grand jury report and it was absolutely appalling. I have never felt that sick reading something, it's like witnessing something....you can't UNSEE it...with this...you can't UNREAD it.
I'm with you. I'm trying to get as many facts before I form opinions. I read some of the grand jury report and it was absolutely appalling. I have never felt that sick reading something, it's like witnessing something....you can't UNSEE it...with this...you can't UNREAD it.
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