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Sandusky/Penn State scandal

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I've also seen reports that there are other "volunteers" with Second Mile that have "questionable relationships" with young boys.

I concur with some opinions posted before: you can't unread the things we've read. That's why I haven't read the 23 pages of the Grand Jury report. Dan Patrick is right: No matter how much we want one, there isn't a silver lining to this story. This whole thing just makes me sick.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Huh. From five months ago...

http://m.timesonline.com/mobile/col...cle_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

And still nothing happened until this week?
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This is my issue with this whole thing. If what JoePa did is truly the worst thing anyone has ever done as some are making it out to be, why did this not become an issue until Saturday? Surely somebody in the media had at least the single report of misconduct they fried JoePa over. Why wasn't it front page news years earlier if JoePa was committing a crime worthy of firing?
 
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I really am not sure what to make of all this. I think there's a lot of egg to go around on everyone's face. JoPa should have done more, but isn't nearly as to blame as those above him who dropped the ball. Those above him should get clobbered. Although JoPa should have done more, there is a bit of a lynch mob mentality to how he is being gone after and dumped while the investigation process still has a ways to go. The Board of Trustees has looked poor in how they've gone about things. The media hysteria is over the top. The students rioting over his dismissal is abyssmal.
 
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I feel bad mainly for the victims... The school dropped that ball completely.

Also, the players now with the program. Imagine having to go out on that field Saturday...can't be an easy thing.
 
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MaizeRage said:
This is my issue with this whole thing. If what JoePa did is truly the worst thing anyone has ever done as some are making it out to be, why did this not become an issue until Saturday? Surely somebody in the media had at least the single report of misconduct they fried JoePa over. Why wasn't it front page news years earlier if JoePa was committing a crime worthy of firing?
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1. JoePa didn't do the worse thing ever. But, by all accounts he runs the joint. You run the joint and this happens on your watch, you're done.
2. I'm confused as to why this story was buried for so long. But, now that it's front page news that's all that matters. If the media had done its job years ago he would have been fired years ago.
 
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dubbie31 said:
Also, the players now with the program. Imagine having to go out on that field Saturday...can't be an easy thing.
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Apparently there's a movement for lots of alumni players to be back on campus for Saturday. This is going to turn into one of those "it's us against the world" things.
 
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dubbie31 said:
I feel bad mainly for the victims... The school dropped that ball completely.

Also, the players now with the program. Imagine having to go out on that field Saturday...can't be an easy thing.
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The victims are far and away the most important part of this entire thing, which is something we all definitely need to remember.

Secondly, the more I think about it, the more I feel like these players are going to rally around each other and, if they have the same feelings as the majority of the PSU students, go out there together and win for their coach, with a kind of "us against the world" mentality.

Now, I fully understand this is going to be almost impossible to solely focus on football at this time, especially for 18-22 year olds.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
The victims are far and away the most important part of this entire thing, which is something we all definitely need to remember.

Secondly, the more I think about it, the more I feel like these players are going to rally around each other and, if they have the same feelings as the majority of the PSU students, go out there together and win for their coach, with a kind of "us against the world" mentality.

Now, I fully understand this is going to be almost impossible to solely focus on football at this time, especially for 18-22 year olds.
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I can only imagine the stuff the PSU players will get when they go to Columbus and Camp Randall. Those fans are merciless.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
I can only imagine the stuff the PSU players will get when they go to Columbus and Camp Randall. Those fans are merciless.
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The worst part with that is, they have absolutely no control or nothing to do with any of this scandal. They're two wins away from playing for a trip to Pasadena, and now this mess occurs. From a football standpoint, it should be interesting to see what happens.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I really am not sure what to make of all this. I think there's a lot of egg to go around on everyone's face. JoPa should have done more, but isn't nearly as to blame as those above him who dropped the ball. Those above him should get clobbered. Although JoPa should have done more, there is a bit of a lynch mob mentality to how he is being gone after and dumped while the investigation process still has a ways to go. The Board of Trustees has looked poor in how they've gone about things. The media hysteria is over the top. The students rioting over his dismissal is abyssmal.
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The only people above Paterno at the time of the worst incident (2002) were Curley (the AD) and Spanier (the president), and they have definitely both been clobbered.
 
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LynahFan said:
The only people above Paterno at the time of the worst incident (2002) were Curley (the AD) and Spanier (the president), and they have definitely both been clobbered.
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We'll see when the legal process is finished with them. I've read speculation that due to weaker state laws at the time this happened in 2002 (tightened up since) regarding notifying the authorities, that they may have a chance to skate on this. If they had done their job remotely, JoPa wouldn't be getting clobbered. If they had acted on what JoPa passed along to them, there would be no discussion regarding what JoPa should have done beyond reporting to them.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Huh. From five months ago...

http://m.timesonline.com/mobile/col...cle_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

And still nothing happened until this week?
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The AD and I must suspect Joe Paterno knew of a problem with Sandusky back in 1998, if not before. Why was he "retired" in 1999? Perhaps another incident?? Something has been going on for a l-o-o-o-ng time and been hidden by the University. Since the feds are now going to investigate, more dirt will be forthcoming.
 
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Bob Gray said:
We'll see when the legal process is finished with them. I've read speculation that due to weaker state laws at the time this happened in 2002 (tightened up since) regarding notifying the authorities, that they may have a chance to skate on this. If they had done their job remotely, JoPa wouldn't be getting clobbered. If they had acted on what JoPa passed along to them, there would be no discussion regarding what JoPa should have done beyond reporting to them.
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2002 was when the Boston Globe broke the story(ies) on the cover-up of abuse in the Boston Archdiocese. Even though there had been isolated reports of abuse (at about the same as one finds in the rest of society), this story tipped the scales and the genie was out of the bottle.

So if we look at 2002 or so as the watershed moment, I think it is fair to assume that the laws regarding abuse of minor children were less stringent than we have now. Maybe some do escape legal consequences, though the civil consequences would seem to be potentially enormous. At least some heads rolled here. I wish a few heads had rolled in a few chanceries.
 
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So much speculating about this tragedy has taken place here, and elsewhere. I've done a fair bit of it myself. Speculate about the origins behind this.
 
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vizoroo said:
The AD and I must suspect Joe Paterno knew of a problem with Sandusky back in 1998, if not before. Why was he "retired" in 1999?
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Allegedly, he was among the state employees that were offered early retirement. That's what was mentioned today. No idea if that is true...I'm sure reporters are digging in to that time frame to try to get at the truth.

He did interview for other jobs after taking the early retirement, and was a finalist to be the HC at Virginia in 2000, a position that eventually went to Al Groh.
 
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Wasn't it also said that he had been informed around that time that he would not succeed Paterno as the head coach at Penn State?
 
Priceless said:
I've also seen reports that there are other "volunteers" with Second Mile that have "questionable relationships" with young boys.

I concur with some opinions posted before: you can't unread the things we've read. That's why I haven't read the 23 pages of the Grand Jury report. Dan Patrick is right: No matter how much we want one, there isn't a silver lining to this story. This whole thing just makes me sick.
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Exactly. I have no desire to read the Grand Jury report. It is one of things where I will be much happier without it in my head. I've already learned sone details and those make me cringe.
 
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