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Sandusky/Penn State scandal

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WeWantMore said:
Even if the law mandates that you contact the police?
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You know the penal code for every infraction in your jurisdiction? He and the AD reported it to campus police. What would you like him to do? Personally go to Harrisburg and report it to the state attorney general?
 
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Priceless said:
You know the penal code for every infraction in your jurisdiction? He and the AD reported it to campus police. What would you like him to do? Personally go to Harrisburg and report it to the state attorney general?
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Plus the grand jury report specifically says Paterno, as an employee, did exactly what the law requires: he reported the matter to his superiors, one of whom just happened to be the boss of the campus police department. The grand jury came to their conclusion after hearing Joe answer their questions under oath. He had no direct knowledge of these events nor any contact with the victim. And the perpetrator no longer worked for him or the university. I'm just not clear why these people expected Joe to go slap the cuffs on Sandusky personally. Seems to me he reported it immediately and complied with the law. A bunch of USCHO posters don't think so, the but the grand jury did.
 
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Old Pio said:
Why? What prevents you from waiting 'til we know more before trashing a man's reputation?
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Which man are you talking about? Paterno? If so, I didn't even say he was part of the cover up.
 
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Priceless said:
You know the penal code for every infraction in your jurisdiction? He and the AD reported it to campus police. What would you like him to do? Personally go to Harrisburg and report it to the state attorney general?
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If they did in fact go to the campus police, I have no problem with it.
 
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J.D. said:
Which man are you talking about? Paterno? If so, I didn't even say he was part of the cover up.
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Yes, Paterno. I used the word "collusion" in the context of assertions that "they were all in on it," and specifically mentioned Paterno and Spanier. And based on that, I assumed you were referring to Paterno. Your use of the word "collusion" suggested you were responding to my post. If not, I apologize.
 
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Let me clarify then. I think this is a huge cover up by Penn State, but Joe Paterno may not have been involved.
 
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J.D. said:
Let me clarify then. I think this is a huge cover up by Penn State, but Joe Paterno may not have been involved.
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Well, the grand jury seems to agree: they've indicted two very high ranking university officials for perjury. I realize you're suggesting an even bigger coverup. We'll see. One thing that argues against Paterno knowingly covering up for Sandusky is, at the time Joe became aware of these charges, Sandusky had essentially been forced out, by Paterno. Joe had told him he wasn't going to be his successor and had helped to set up cushy retirements benefits for Sandusky. This is all referred to in the Grand Jury report. In other words, the professional and possibly personal relationship these two had had was over, thus diminishing the probability that Paterno was going to risk perjury charges to cover for him.
 
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Priceless said:
Yeah. If I report something to my boss and he says, "OK, I'll take care of it" am I going to call the police to make sure my boss reported it? If I ask later and he says it's all taken care of, it was a misunderstanding, whatever, it's over as far as I'm concerned.
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that flies if you are the part time assistant to the under secretary in charge of nothing. it doesn't fly if you are you are the CEO of the team. it happened under Paterno's watch. it was a serious criminal allegation and he never asked about it again? he never followed up? a good CEO, COO, manager, etc ALWAYS follows up. can you imagine? "hey coach, Sandusky's fing little boys" "don't worry its been reported" how many coaches would tolerate this in a locker room??????
 
Priceless said:
You know the penal code for every infraction in your jurisdiction? He and the AD reported it to campus police. What would you like him to do? Personally go to Harrisburg and report it to the state attorney general?
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I'd rather have them take the guy to the AG school ask them to turn this old bull into a steer (at least I think that's how it works).

I don't know how the police work in happy valley, but I've always understood it as they have all the standard rights and privileges... If they felt out of their depth either pass it to the locals (county/city/whathaveyou). To me, passing to the campus police is appropriate.
 
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huskyfan said:
that flies if you are the part time assistant to the under secretary in charge of nothing. it doesn't fly if you are you are the CEO of the team. it happened under Paterno's watch. it was a serious criminal allegation and he never asked about it again? he never followed up? a good CEO, COO, manager, etc ALWAYS follows up. can you imagine? "hey coach, Sandusky's fing little boys" "don't worry its been reported" how many coaches would tolerate this in a locker room??????
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Remember the Duke rape case? Let's wait until we get more facts. That's all I'm saying.
 
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huskyfan said:
that flies if you are the part time assistant to the under secretary in charge of nothing. it doesn't fly if you are you are the CEO of the team. it happened under Paterno's watch. it was a serious criminal allegation and he never asked about it again? he never followed up? a good CEO, COO, manager, etc ALWAYS follows up. can you imagine? "hey coach, Sandusky's fing little boys" "don't worry its been reported" how many coaches would tolerate this in a locker room??????
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The grand jury, who took Paterno's testimony, disagrees with you. The conspiracy crowd (which I'm not suggesting you belong to) is already claiming the grand jury was "afraid" of Paterno. But not the AD? Hindsight is always 20/20. He reported the alleged abuse to his superior as the law required him to do. You're assuming there was no followup. Are you sure? And even if Paterno didn't morph into Andy Sipowitz, what does that prove? Sandusky was a FORMER coach and the alleged abuse didn't involve any players or staffers on his team.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Remember the Duke rape case? Let's wait until we get more facts. That's all I'm saying.
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A case study in jumping to conclusions under murky circumstances. In Paterno's case, I'm guessing his prominence is working against him in the minds of people who are jealous of his success. But bringing down Paterno, just as getting rid of "The Fighting Sioux," or lynching those Duke LAX players, doesn't make their pathetic lives any better.
 
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Old Pio said:
A case study in jumping to conclusions under murky circumstances. In Paterno's case, I'm guessing his prominence is working against him in the minds of people who are jealous of his success. But bringing down Paterno, just as getting rid of "The Fighting Sioux," or lynching those Duke LAX players, doesn't make their pathetic lives any better.
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It's also working FOR him, in the fact that, hey, he's JoePa. You can't hate JoePa.

I'm waiting it out. It will be a sad day if there's more to this concerning JoePa, and I hope it doesn't come to that. But if it does, I will step up and say I was wrong.
 
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huskyfan said:
www.washingtonpost.com/sports/if-jerry-sandusky-allegations-are-true-penn-state-and-joe-paterno-deserve/2011/11/05/gIQAYIucqM_story.html

agree with this guy
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I don't. According to Wise, Paterno is guilty even if he did nothing wrong because he was "there," and "should" have known. In Wise's mind, evidently, being omnicient is a job requirement for Paterno. He's just "got" to know everything about everything going on in and around his program (including the private lives of former coaches). Pretty high standard, you ask me.
 
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huskyfan said:
that flies if you are the part time assistant to the under secretary in charge of nothing. it doesn't fly if you are you are the CEO of the team. it happened under Paterno's watch. it was a serious criminal allegation and he never asked about it again? he never followed up? a good CEO, COO, manager, etc ALWAYS follows up. can you imagine? "hey coach, Sandusky's fing little boys" "don't worry its been reported" how many coaches would tolerate this in a locker room??????
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CEO's don't have bosses. He may be the coach of the team, but he has a boss (who also has a boss).

ETA: If he asked his boss about the follow up and the guy assured him it was taken care of, again I ask, what should he do? Call the campus/local/state police and double check his boss?
 
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Brenthoven said:
It's also working FOR him, in the fact that, hey, he's JoePa. You can't hate JoePa.

I'm waiting it out. It will be a sad day if there's more to this concerning JoePa, and I hope it doesn't come to that. But if it does, I will step up and say I was wrong.
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Sure, his prominence is going to work both ways. But the independent grand jury, which took his testimony as well as that of the others, concluded he was truthful and did what the law required. The advantage they have that none of the Lilliputions have is they actually heard the testimony. A minor detail in the minds of the burning torches and rope crowd, but not insignificant in my mind. Let's just see where this takes us. Plenty of time to humilitate that old man down the road.
 
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Priceless said:
CEO's don't have bosses. He may be the coach of the team, but he has a boss (who also has a boss).

ETA: If he asked his boss about the follow up and the guy assured him it was taken care of, again I ask, what should he do? Call the campus/local/state police and double check his boss?
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Plus, if the grand jury is right, and these two committed perjury, why would they hesitate for a second to lie to Paterno?

The graduate assistant and his dad called Paterno. Joe invited them to his house, on a Sunday, to hear their allegations. He immediately reported it to his superiors. Again, this doesn't sound like a guy trying to cover up.
 
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