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Russian Invasion of Ukraine

No idea if his details are correct but in general, if someone who is otherwise intelligent (appearing to be, anyway) is making decisions you cannot justify, perhaps the issue is that their goal is not what you think it is.

Typically the possibilities are:

1. They are intelligent decisions; he just has different motives than you think, or
2. He's not intelligent after all; you were wrong about him, or
3. They are intelligent decisions; but you aren't.
 
Tucker gonna have a sad:

Ukrainian armored vehicles are operating beyond the final line of the Russian defensive layer that Ukrainian forces in western Zaporizhia Oblast are currently penetrating, although ISW is not yet prepared to assess that Ukrainian forces have broken fully through this Russian defensive layer. Geolocated footage posted on September 21 indicates that Ukrainian armored vehicles advanced south of the Russian anti-tank ditches and dragon’s teeth obstacles that are part of a tri-layered defense and engaged in limited combat immediately west of Verbove (18km southeast of Orikhiv).[1] It is unclear if Ukrainian forces retain these positions, however. This is the first observed instance of Ukrainian forces operating armored vehicles beyond the Russian tri-layer defense.[2] The presence of Ukrainian armored vehicles beyond the final line of the current Russian defensive layer indicates that the Ukrainians have secured their breach of the first two lines of this layer sufficiently to operate vehicles through the breach. Ukrainian forces have likely suppressed Russian artillery and other anti-tank systems in the area enough to bring their vehicles forward.[3] The Ukrainian ability to bring armored vehicles to and through the most formidable Russian defenses intended to stop them and to operate these vehicles near prepared Russian defensive positions are important signs of progress in the Ukrainian counteroffensive
 
I'm still just really surprised that no one's taken Pootie Tang out yet.

Dude has 40 body doubles and eats alone at Michael Keeton's table in Batman. About the only people with a shot at him are his body guards and his hookers.

This is a job for Villanelle.
 
DW reports Ukraine announced the Ukrainian special forces' missile attack killed the commander of the Black Sea fleet, Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov, and more than 30 other officers.

Edit: Now being repeated all over the news webs. I don't see confirmation yet.

In one of the most devastating blows of the war so far, Ukraine says it took out a whole chunk of Russia’s naval leadership in a single missile attack, which killed the commander of the notorious Black Sea Fleet.

Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov was allegedly killed in Friday’s missile strike on the Black Sea Fleet’s HQ in Crimea, which was illegally occupied by Russia in 2014.

Republicans are disconsolate for their fellow fascists' loss.
 
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Is this a different situation than the one where Russia "took control" over a Ukrainian UAV, landed it at a Crimean airfield, then gathered around it to inspect their prize?


... which then blew up and killed all the commanders around it?
 
Is this a different situation than the one where Russia "took control" over a Ukrainian UAV, landed it at a Crimean airfield, then gathered around it to inspect their prize?


... which then blew up and killed all the commanders around it?

Oh my God. Thats amazing.

Also, did Breaking Bad not air in Russia?

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From ISW's coverage today I found this buried in the agate type:

Russian forces continue to expend significant combat power on counterattacking to hold their current positions and appear to be resisting the operationally sound course of action of falling back to prepared defensive positions further south. The Russian command constructed a multi-echeloned defense in southern Ukraine that would have allowed the Russian command to deploy defending Russian forces in depth throughout subsequent defensive layers. Russian forces have instead expended considerable amounts of manpower, materiel, and effort to hold the forwardmost defensive positions in southern Ukraine and have only withdrawn to subsequent defensive positions at the direct threat of Ukrainian advances.[25] Russian forces’ elastic defense requires that one echelon of Russian forces slows a Ukrainian tactical advance while a second echelon of forces counterattacks to roll back that advance. Counterattacking requires significant morale and relatively high combat capabilities, and the Russian military appears to rely on relatively elite units and formations to counterattack, likely at the expense of these forces’ degradation.[26]

Some Russian and Ukrainian sources have acknowledged that some Russian counterattacks in the wider Robotyne area have been senseless.[27] A defense in depth should afford these units respite from further degradation through withdrawal to a subsequent defensive layer. This withdrawal would allow the Russian command to conserve critical combat power for more operationally significant counterattacks and efforts to attrit attacking Ukrainian forces, although the task of conducting an orderly withdrawal under fire or pursuit is quite challenging and risky. American military analysts Michael Kofman and Rob Lee recently assessed that Russian forces have underutilized the depth of their defense and have yet to execute “a true defense in depth” in which Russian forces trade “space for attrition” and that the Russian command’s decision to defend forward has allowed Ukrainian artillery units to attrit Russian forces.[28] ISW concurs with this assessment. ISW has observed a concerted Ukrainian effort to attrit Russian forces even as Ukrainian forces make significant tactical gains, and the Russian resistance to withdrawing to defensive positions further south is likely compounding the asymmetric attrition gradient Ukrainian forces are trying to create. Russian counterattacks aimed at holding forward positions have been tactically significant, but it remains unclear if these counterattacks will have lasting operational importance.

The Russian military command may be ordering these counterattacks to buy time, but it is unclear how the Kremlin intends to use time bought at such a price. Russian forces appear to be unwilling to surrender tactical areas and are focusing instead on fighting for every meter instead of benefiting from the depth of their prepared defenses. Ukrainian military journalist Konstyantyn Mashovets observed that the Russian military command is achieving its objective of buying more time from these counterattacks but questioned what the Russian military command intends to do with this time.[29] Mashovets argued that the sacrifice of combat-ready forces and assets during defensive operations only makes sense in two situations: if it allows time to organize defensive systems at another prepared line or if it buys time for the organization of a more substantial counterattack or counteroffensive. Mashovets added that both scenarios assume that Russia has additional reserves and the ability to rapidly deploy these reserves to a new defensive line or an operational direction where it plans to carry out a new offensive.[30] Mashovets concluded that regardless of the Russian intent behind buying time, the Russian military command still needs additional reinforcements in the western Zaporizhia direction in addition to forces already concentrated on this frontline for Russian forces’ current counterattacks to be operationally sound.

The Russian sacrifice of combat power to hold every meter may alternatively be intended to support the Kremlin’s informational and hybrid warfare objectives. Russian President Vladimir Putin first acknowledged the start of the Ukrainian counteroffensive on June 9 by emphasizing two key and persistent narratives: that Ukrainian forces will not achieve significant successes due to well-prepared Russian defenses and that the Ukrainian forces are suffering heavy losses in personnel and Western military equipment.[31] Putin and the Kremlin have been framing Russian defensive operations as a major battlefield victory, and persistent Russian counterattacks allow the Kremlin to claim these operations as individual victories amidst the general lack of Russian battlefield advances elsewhere. These efforts likely intend to erode support and trust in Ukrainian forces in Ukraine and the West. Putin may have ordered the Russian military command to hold all Russia’s initial defensive positions to create the illusion that Ukrainian counteroffensives have not achieved any tactical or operational effects despite substantial Western support. This informational undertaking can only succeed in the long run if Russian forces can actually prevent Ukrainian forces from breaking through and liberating large areas, however.

The Russian resistance to ceding ground may also be tied to Russian military commanders’ and officials’ attempts to use the counteroffensive to achieve political goals, or it could result from Putin’s micromanagement. A Kremlin insider source claimed that Putin reportedly gave Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu a deadline of one month until early October 2023 to improve the situation on the frontlines, stop Ukrainian counteroffensives, and have Russian forces regain the initiative to launch an offensive operation against a larger city.[32] The insider‘s claim, if true, may indicate that the Russian military command may be ordering relentless counterattacks in hopes of forcing the Ukrainian counteroffensive to culminate, even at a high cost to Russian military capabilities. ISW has previously observed instances in which the Russian MoD, fearing the imminent loss of Putin’s favor, intensified its efforts to purge commanders who offered honest but negative views and advice and pursued unachievable military objectives at the expense of Russian forces.[33] The Russian MoD, for example, launched an unsuccessful and costly offensive on Vuhledar in February 2023 to undermine the domestic Russian informational effects of the Wagner Group’s progress in Bakhmut and maintain favor with Putin.[34] Russian insider sources and milbloggers who have advocated for Teplinsky claimed that Shoigu has been focusing on setting conditions to convince Putin to remove Teplinsky from command – which would likely be achievable if Shoigu is able to achieve Putin’s objectives during the counteroffensive.[35] One pro-Teplinsky channel even claimed that Chief of the Russian General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov had already removed Teplinsky from overseeing the defensive operation in southern Ukraine, although ISW cannot confirm the validity of this claim at this time.[36]
 
Is this a different situation than the one where Russia "took control" over a Ukrainian UAV, landed it at a Crimean airfield, then gathered around it to inspect their prize?


... which then blew up and killed all the commanders around it?

Nope, this was the missile attack that immediately followed the Ukrainian attack on the Russian anti-missile defenses where the Russians crowed Ukraine had "only hit" the radar installations. And then UA immediately launched long range missiles against the Fleet HQ in Crimea which was completely undefended because of the prior "failed" attack.

The GOP is the Russian Ministry of Defense with a slightly lower level of intoxication. If Ukraine had air superiority they'd be in Moscow by next May 9th Victory Day.
 
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Per ISW, Russian milbloggers are becoming noticeably less vocal reporting bad news. I guess they don't post from their mom's basement and are worried about windows.

The interesting thing is the most avidly patriotic and aggressive milbloggers had been the ones most likely to harp on bad news, because they feel they are doing the lord's work reporting on the failure of the army to support Putin's sacred mission to save the Ukrainians from the Nazis and Jews who run the West (apparently together -- those must be interesting meetings).
 
Beijing criticized Russia at the UN over missile attacks and civilian casualties, using the term "concerning," which they don't usually do except for nuke-rattling. it's basically Chinese Diplomat for: "cut the sh-it, as-sholes."
 
Beijing criticized Russia at the UN over missile attacks and civilian casualties, using the term "concerning," which they don't usually do except for nuke-rattling. it's basically Chinese Diplomat for: "cut the sh-it, as-sholes."

"Concerning" for Beijing, in the sense that they are annoyed that the world is getting a sneak preview of what the PLA would do to Taipei given the means and opportunity.
 
Bad news in Donetsk, but maybe not seriously bad, at least yet.

Russian President Vladimir Putin may be trying to temper expectations of significant Russian advances around Avdiivka in Donetsk Oblast. Putin claimed in an interview on Russian state television on October 15 that Russian forces are conducting an “active defense” in the Avdiivka, Kupyansk, and Zaporizhia directions.[1] Putin’s characterization of Russian offensive operations near Avdiivka as an “active defense,” instead of “active combat operations” as Russian UN Ambassador Vasily Nebenzya claimed on October 13, or discussing Russian operations as an “offensive” as some milbloggers have, may be an attempt to temper expectations of significant Russian advances.[2] Russian operations including intensive artillery and airstrikes are likely intended to degrade Ukrainian forces around Avdiivka.[3] Russian forces are unlikely to make significant breakthroughs or cut off Ukrainian forces in the settlement in the near term, and potential advances at scale would likely require a significant and protracted commitment of personnel and materiel.[4]

The Russian information space writ large is also metering its initial optimism about the prospects of Russian offensive operations around Avdiivka. Russian milbloggers initially reported maximalist and unverifiable claims of Russian advances over 10km, likely exaggerated the degree of Russian successes near Avdiivka during initial offensive operations, and expressed optimism for rapid Russian advances.[5] Some Russian milbloggers have since acknowledged difficulties in the Russian advance near Avdiivka and noted that Russian forces decreased their pace of offensive operations around the settlement.[6] Russian milbloggers have also begun to claim that intense and attritional fighting is ongoing around Avdiivka.[7] Many Russian milbloggers also continue to self-censor by limiting reports of Russian tactical actions and problems specific to individual sectors of the frontline.[8] A Russian milblogger claimed that unspecified actors, possibly the Russian military leadership and some subset ofmilbloggers, agreed to stop reporting on the Avdiivka operations, but reiterated complaints about general problems in the Russian military not specific to any sector of the front.[9]
 
Fred Kagan is such a POS.

This analysis starts out fine and is intelligible for a while. But guess why Putin thought NATO was weak, per Freddy?

Because we left Afghanistan.

The PNAC Forever War must be continued. We should still be in Kabul. We should still be in Baghdad. We should turn Iran to glass.

That is what ISW is all about, folks, and never forget it. These f-cks are still out there, like tetanus spores, waiting for a friendly medium in which to bloom again into toxins.
 
Jesus. He thinks critically thinking people will buy that Putin decided like 3 months after the US left Afghanistan to invade? The US left in August-ish of 2021, and Russia invaded in February of 2022 (and began amassing troops and equipment on the border some months ahead).


That's... absurd.
 
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