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RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

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This has been posted on another thread but wanted to make sure my own RPI group of posters see it. If anyone has any imput from some other point of view, be my guest. For the time being I am absolutely baffled.

Let me see if I can put what has happened here (no TV for the ECAC tournament) in perspective and even begin to grasp it. There are literally hundreds of outlets available for anyone with any kind of viable product and even a shread of competence to get it on the air. Even myself, with nothing but standard cable have a choice of over 70 channels. That was more than enough for me to watch parts of both the NYS high school hockey and basketball championships and most of the Hockey East tournament. With so many outlets competing for some kind of programming somebody will watch, I find it almost impossible to even comprehend how a certain staff could not get any of our tournament on TV but others manage to get the following on.

1) Verifably insane people, who also must be pretty money hungry, risking life and limb to drive 18 wheelers across frozen bodies of water in Alaska. Not a week goes by that I can't watch the "polar bear" Hugh Rowlands driving his load through Hennigan Pass and Whitefish on the way to Big Bear or wherever the hell he is going.

2) Guys who really need to get a life travelling all over the US looking for garages, barns or attics that are filled with old junk that has been laying there for decades so they can sift through it.

3) Functional illiterates driving rickity boats around swamps in the south chasing alligators.

4) Borderline sleezballs and con men (three generations worth) running a seedy pawn shop in Las Vegas. Come to think of it even the catatonic Chum Lee, the only non relative on the show, would be an improvement over the bunch that is now running the ECAC.

5) Unshaven, unshowered kooks and degenerates sitting at a table playing Texas Hold Em.

OK, if people can get all of the above on the airwaves, how in the name of fill in your own diety can the ECAC brass not get any of the conference tournament on??? That obviously leads to some questions such as how do these hacks keep their jobs??? Who the hell hired them to begin with??? Is there anyone else somewhere who could actually do the job instead of these clowns who will do nothing but eventually lead our league to extinction???

I will simply never be able to "get" or even remotely understand how this happened. Could there possibly be some rational explanation like the Atlantic City folks (hopefully not the mob) who lined the pockets of our brass with money dictated there was to be no TV coverage in an attempt to draw more people to their gambling mecca (curious place for a college conference to be holding their tournament to begin with). That, of course, would mean we got sold out. It better be somthing along those lines, otherwise the only possible answer is that our league is being run by stooges. While the mob reference above is kind of tongue in cheek, absolutely nothing would shock me about the present administration of the ECAC.
 
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

Today is 19 March 2012. There are 201 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 6 October for the start of next season.

That is the day that an exhibition game is supposedly scheduled.
 
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

When does RPI's contract with America One expire? Is it after next season?
 
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MBA is almost always 2 years.

A lot of hockey players enter RPI with advanced academic standing due to taking courses in the year(s) since HS graduation, so conceivably Bergin could finish in a year.
 
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A lot of hockey players enter RPI with advanced academic standing due to taking courses in the year(s) since HS graduation, so conceivably Bergin could finish in a year.

My daughter completed her masters program (Electrical Engineering) at RPI in one year. It was not that difficult.
She was a four year athlete as an undergrad and had very little in the way of advanced academic standing going in.
 
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Relatively simple answer-things are not the same now as they have been for the last 25+ years. Just look at how the ECAC stacks up against the other conferences. That was not always the case. When HE first split off the ECAC was a highly rated conference that could usually count on 2 or even 3 teams every year in the NCAA tournament. Now they are very fortunate to get the 1 single bid for the ECAC tournament champion(and even that bid is one of the lower seeds). Second, in the early years of the ECAC the Ivies were not the dominating teams in the league. It was a good mix with a strong set of North Country teams and RPI and Colgate vying for the top spots along with a couple of Ivies. Now the league is Ivy dominated. They can of course get an auto bid if one of the teams wins out but not much chance of a second Ivy getting a bid. With their own conference, playing each other more often and a select OOC conference-i can see them getting at least 2 bids most of the time. But the post that redhead made gives an even better indication of how they might be thinking at this time-a separation to make media deals involving the 'Ivy Brand' seems not only possible, but likely. Just because they honored the ECAC by hanging in there for 25 years means little in this rapidly changing environment. Ask yourself this-Why would it make sense for teams in the other big leagues to leave and form their own conference? The times, they are a-changing.:)
Dont mean to bring this topic back up again but since its NCAA tournament time I just wanted to mention some more comparisons in regards to Ivy vs non-Ivy in the tournament over the last 10 years. In those 10 years, Ivy schools have received 17 total bids with 24 games and record of 8-16 (.333) in those games. Non-Ivy schools have only received 7 bids with just 7 games and a record of 1-6 (.143).
 
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Dont mean to bring this topic back up again but since its NCAA tournament time I just wanted to mention some more comparisons in regards to Ivy vs non-Ivy in the tournament over the last 10 years. In those 10 years, Ivy schools have received 17 total bids with 24 games and record of 8-16 (.333) in those games. Non-Ivy schools have only received 7 bids with just 7 games and a record of 1-6 (.143).

Check your math. Given an ECAC team hasn't won the national championship since 1989, I would expect the number of losses to equal the number of bids (at least assuming CCT didn't decline entry again :p).
 
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Check your math. Given an ECAC team hasn't won the national championship since 1989, I would expect the number of losses to equal the number of bids (at least assuming CCT didn't decline entry again :p).
Your right, got ahead of myself and included this years bids with Cornell and Union. So total bids should be 16 Ivy and 6 non-Ivy.

Ive also been wondering if the fact that the Ivy teams play 5 less games then the rest of the ECAC has anything to do with them receiving more at-large bids to the NCAA's. PWR numbers can change quite a bit in 5 games.
 
A lot of hockey players enter RPI with advanced academic standing due to taking courses in the year(s) since HS graduation, so conceivably Bergin could finish in a year.

It's possible, but MBA curricula typically have minimal overlap with undergrad coursework. It's not like engineering, where you just keep taking more and more advanced classes, and you simply need to earn enough credits for the advanced degree. Typically.
 
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Your right, got ahead of myself and included this years bids with Cornell and Union. So total bids should be 16 Ivy and 6 non-Ivy.

Ive also been wondering if the fact that the Ivy teams play 5 less games then the rest of the ECAC has anything to do with them receiving more at-large bids to the NCAA's. PWR numbers can change quite a bit in 5 games.

If anything, they aren't as "banged up" as the rest of league which may lead to more in-league success, and is why they do better with contact sports like hockey, as opposed to the non-contact sports like bouncyball.
 
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

It's possible, but MBA curricula typically have minimal overlap with undergrad coursework. It's not like engineering, where you just keep taking more and more advanced classes, and you simply need to earn enough credits for the advanced degree. Typically.
I agree, but they could be ahead of the game as freshmen and stay that way the entire time.
 
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I agree, but they could be ahead of the game as freshmen and stay that way the entire time.

We're not on the same page here, Ralph. Typically, MBA curricula are such that you have a defined starting point and ending point. You can't begin accruing credits toward your MBA until you are enrolled in the MBA program in the fall semester. No matter how far ahead you were coming in, you need to officially make the jump to MBA student (and leave the realm of undergrad student) to do any work that will go toward your MBA pursuit. While it is certainly possible that Bergin could have done something like that, it is highly unlikely given that his status for next year is still uncertain.
 
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

This has been posted on another thread but wanted to make sure my own RPI group of posters see it. If anyone has any imput from some other point of view, be my guest. For the time being I am absolutely baffled.

Let me see if I can put what has happened here (no TV for the ECAC tournament) in perspective and even begin to grasp it. There are literally hundreds of outlets available for anyone with any kind of viable product and even a shread of competence to get it on the air. Even myself, with nothing but standard cable have a choice of over 70 channels. That was more than enough for me to watch parts of both the NYS high school hockey and basketball championships and most of the Hockey East tournament. With so many outlets competing for some kind of programming somebody will watch, I find it almost impossible to even comprehend how a certain staff could not get any of our tournament on TV but others manage to get the following on.

1) Verifably insane people, who also must be pretty money hungry, risking life and limb to drive 18 wheelers across frozen bodies of water in Alaska. Not a week goes by that I can't watch the "polar bear" Hugh Rowlands driving his load through Hennigan Pass and Whitefish on the way to Big Bear or wherever the hell he is going.

2) Guys who really need to get a life travelling all over the US looking for garages, barns or attics that are filled with old junk that has been laying there for decades so they can sift through it.

3) Functional illiterates driving rickity boats around swamps in the south chasing alligators.

4) Borderline sleezballs and con men (three generations worth) running a seedy pawn shop in Las Vegas. Come to think of it even the catatonic Chum Lee, the only non relative on the show, would be an improvement over the bunch that is now running the ECAC.

5) Unshaven, unshowered kooks and degenerates sitting at a table playing Texas Hold Em.

OK, if people can get all of the above on the airwaves, how in the name of fill in your own diety can the ECAC brass not get any of the conference tournament on??? That obviously leads to some questions such as how do these hacks keep their jobs??? Who the hell hired them to begin with??? Is there anyone else somewhere who could actually do the job instead of these clowns who will do nothing but eventually lead our league to extinction???

I will simply never be able to "get" or even remotely understand how this happened. Could there possibly be some rational explanation like the Atlantic City folks (hopefully not the mob) who lined the pockets of our brass with money dictated there was to be no TV coverage in an attempt to draw more people to their gambling mecca (curious place for a college conference to be holding their tournament to begin with). That, of course, would mean we got sold out. It better be somthing along those lines, otherwise the only possible answer is that our league is being run by stooges. While the mob reference above is kind of tongue in cheek, absolutely nothing would shock me about the present administration of the ECAC.

Your questions:
Many, if not most of the kooky shows you mentioned above are independently produced and sold very cheaply to the outlets on which they appear. Hockey is expensive to produce. The league is not going to pay to sell the advertising and produce the games. All the sports networks mentioned had other programming commitments, or decided that other sporting events, such as the HE tourney, had more appeal to viewers and advertisers. That is a major issue for this league.
The AD's and VP's of participating schools are the ones who likely hired the current ECAC staff, with the final ok from the presidents.
This league has always been enamored by the low-level and mid-level NCAA administrators so that is what they usually go for when hiring league staff.
I believe that the league office is under funded and under, or poorly staffed. Of course, I have no direct knowledge of the budget, but if they have the same kind of money available to promote the league as HE, the CCHA and others, then you are right, the staff should be fired and the office reorganized.
 
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Heres a story from the Bangor Daily News today that talks about the possible change in the Hockey East playoff format and the addition of a 12th team.

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/03/...f-format-likely-to-change-in-2013-2014/print/

He also said the coaches are hoping Bertagna can add a 12th team for the 2013-2014 season so one team won’t have an off weekend from league play.

“We’ve been talking to people,” said Bertagna. “But we haven’t had a meeting [on expansion] since the fall.”

The most often mentioned possibilities on various college hockey websites are Atlantic Hockey teams Holy Cross and UConn and ECAC members RPI and Quinnipiac.

Bertagna said there are a lot of league requirements a prospective 12th team would have to meet, such as scholarships (18), a quality facility and so on and he noted that the school would also have to abide by its own institution’s bylaws such as gender equity.
 
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

We're not on the same page here, Ralph. Typically, MBA curricula are such that you have a defined starting point and ending point. You can't begin accruing credits toward your MBA until you are enrolled in the MBA program in the fall semester. No matter how far ahead you were coming in, you need to officially make the jump to MBA student (and leave the realm of undergrad student) to do any work that will go toward your MBA pursuit. While it is certainly possible that Bergin could have done something like that, it is highly unlikely given that his status for next year is still uncertain.
I didn't realize that.
 
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When does RPI's contract with America One expire? Is it after next season?

It's up for renewal this June. Will let you all know as soon as we hear what Athletics decides. Clarkson's is also up in June, and I believe they've been looking to free stream as well. I'm not sure when ECAC's America One contract expires. Would have been really nice to get the ECAC games on ESPN3.

To be fair to America One, they did come through for us this past weekend -- they overnighted a brand new 8-core computer for HD encoding, and offered two bitrates, something I haven't seen from them before. But $10 is quite a bit more pricey than free.
 
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It's up for renewal this June. Will let you all know as soon as we hear what Athletics decides. Clarkson's is also up in June, and I believe they've been looking to free stream as well. I'm not sure when ECAC's America One contract expires. Would have been really nice to get the ECAC games on ESPN3.

To be fair to America One, they did come through for us this past weekend -- they overnighted a brand new 8-core computer for HD encoding, and offered two bitrates, something I haven't seen from them before. But $10 is quite a bit more pricey than free.

Now that you say we're up for renewal, I'm not surprised they overnighted the computer. If we still had a year left, especially after they saw (and subsequently sued regarding) our feed, they would not have sent that computer. I think they realized that they could have easily lost a customer to much higher quality.
 
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I still say that if RPI drops America One and lets RPITV handle the streaming, you guys should charge a nominal fee (say $5 per game or $50 for the season, rather than completely free) with that money going toward upgrading/replacing cameras, encoding computers, etc. The end result is a better quality product which is less costly to the end user, and would probably net RPI more money than they are getting from B2 now. Could potentially decrease the dependence on the student activity fee to fund some of those items as well, which I would have to think would be seen as a benefit.
 
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