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RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
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Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
Today is 5 June 2011. There are 118 days until RPI's next game.
There are four days until Ralph posts again.
This is based upon 1 October for the start of next season.
That is the day that an exhibition game is supposedly scheduled.
Today is 5 June 2011. There are 118 days until RPI's next game.
There are four days until Ralph posts again.
This is based upon 1 October for the start of next season.
That is the day that an exhibition game is supposedly scheduled.
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
He must be in withdrawal. This has got to be worse than the DT's. (Delirium tremens-for those not medically informed)
He must be in withdrawal. This has got to be worse than the DT's.
(Delirium tremens-for those not medically informed)Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
We've been through this before but now there appears to be substance that Notre Dame may join Hockey East. For that to happen there would have to be one more team to join. From a Hockey East standpoint RPI would be a very favorable addition. Notre Dame is only one flight every other year so that point is moot. They would be the ones doing the flying mostly and they have the resources to do so. Any interest on RPI's part? If so please apply. http://bangordailynews.com/2011/06/03/sports/notre-dame-considering-joining-hockey-east/
We've been through this before but now there appears to be substance that Notre Dame may join Hockey East. For that to happen there would have to be one more team to join. From a Hockey East standpoint RPI would be a very favorable addition. Notre Dame is only one flight every other year so that point is moot. They would be the ones doing the flying mostly and they have the resources to do so. Any interest on RPI's part? If so please apply. http://bangordailynews.com/2011/06/03/sports/notre-dame-considering-joining-hockey-east/
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
I see no reason for RPI to leave the association with the Ivies. There have been grumblings recently about leaving the ECAC because "ZOMG THEY PLAY THE TRAP AND IT'S SO TERRIBLE!" but, really, if RPI wanted to leave the ECAC, they would have left in 1984 with everyone else.
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
I agree with you here, Ill also add I dont see RPI leaving its Liberty League foes CCT, SLU and Union. I think Quinnipiac might be a better fit for Hockey East and if they were to jump, it could open a slot in the ECAC for future Liberty League member RIT.
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
I agree. Though many of us would like to see RPI make the jump to Hockey East, I believe it is unlikely for the reasons stated above. Q'Pac has put a lot into improving its athletic profile the past few years and I think they would jump to Hockey East if invited. RIT and Holy Cross would both be viable candidates to join the ECAC, though RIT would make the most sense in my opinion.
I agree. Though many of us would like to see RPI make the jump to Hockey East, I believe it is unlikely for the reasons stated above. Q'Pac has put a lot into improving its athletic profile the past few years and I think they would jump to Hockey East if invited. RIT and Holy Cross would both be viable candidates to join the ECAC, though RIT would make the most sense in my opinion.
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
Hockey East would have no interest in the Q, rink too small, tradition nonexistent, etc.. UConn is the only other New England school that could be considered and they bring nothing to Hockey East now. Miami would not be a good fit for many reasons. They don't have the resources to travel like Notre Dame does. Hockey East would have to add 2 teams not just Notre Dame. Have to disagree with you on RPI. First of all they are closer to most Hockey East schools than either Vermont or Maine, being just barely into NY. As a matter of fact 8 of 10 Hockey East schools are closer than St. Lawrence or Clarkson to RPI. UNH would be about the same timewise, only Maine would be a long haul. Secondly, they have tradition with 2 National Championships and a rabid fanbase, as well as a solid academic reputation. They also have a venerable old barn that seats over 5200 whereas Miami has a brand new building that only is as big as PC or Merrimack(around 3000). A lot of the Merrimack and PC criticism is because of rink size. Miami has had recent success but no real athletic tradition. With the demise of the CCHA that could affect them adversely. The WCHA does not seem to want them so why should Hockey East? Notre Dame is different. They have a great athletic tradition, a brand new rink next year, tons of money and a huge following that could sell tickets in New England rinks as well. Why wouldn't a team want to be in a league with multiple National Championships(BU, BC and Maine) with other teams that have all made trips to the NC such as UNH and Providence and Notre Dame should they join, others having Frozen 4 experience(Vermont and Northeastern). Even UMass and Merrimack have NCAA wins to their credit. The only good reason would be if they felt they would be a doormat. The ECAC is not the same as it used to be. Very few ECAC teams advance far in the NCAA's anymore. Sure Hockey East is not in the same academic league as the Ivies but it is better than the rest of the ECAC. It would be a good academic and Hockey fit for RPI.
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I think you may have gotten a little far afield with this. Lots to question in your post. Why wouldn't Hockey East be interested in a program like Q'Pac? They have invested a lot in raising their athletic profile the past few years and are a nice fit in terms of geography, academics, size, etc. Their rink is certainly superior to those at Lowell, Merrimack and Providence. I don't see much difference in tradition between Lowell, Merrimack and Q'Pac, either.
I think most of your comments about Miami are probably right, with the exception of your dismissal of their athletic tradition. "The Cradle of Coaches" has been Div I across the board forever; is good in most sports and has a national reputation academically as well as in athletics.
Your depiction of the ECAC is also unfair, and not quite accurate. The ECAC has also had some national titles with Cornell, RPI and Harvard. SLU and Colgate have been to the final four and Princeton, Yale and Dartmouth have all had their glory days in the NCAA. You can add the recent success of Union and Yale, the resurgence of the RPI program and you can argue that the ECAC may be a factor nationally once again.
As far as your assessment of the ECAC academically' it is just flat wrong. While the HE schools have good reputations, Colgate, RPI and Union are superior to all the HE schools with the exception of BC and perhaps BU, but that is a stretch. SLU and Clarkson academics are equal to or above Maine, Merrimack, Lowell, UVM and Providence.
The ECAC would be a much better academic and geographic fit for Notre Dame than Hockey East, if the Irish were in fact interested in aligning with an Eastern league. The potential for TV money, the Big East relationship with Providence and the national profile of BC are strong points for HE.
If the ECAC was to decide that it wanted to invest in a league structure and acquire a TV package, it would be a better fit for Notre Dame.
I think you may have gotten a little far afield with this. Lots to question in your post. Why wouldn't Hockey East be interested in a program like Q'Pac? They have invested a lot in raising their athletic profile the past few years and are a nice fit in terms of geography, academics, size, etc. Their rink is certainly superior to those at Lowell, Merrimack and Providence. I don't see much difference in tradition between Lowell, Merrimack and Q'Pac, either.
I think most of your comments about Miami are probably right, with the exception of your dismissal of their athletic tradition. "The Cradle of Coaches" has been Div I across the board forever; is good in most sports and has a national reputation academically as well as in athletics.
Your depiction of the ECAC is also unfair, and not quite accurate. The ECAC has also had some national titles with Cornell, RPI and Harvard. SLU and Colgate have been to the final four and Princeton, Yale and Dartmouth have all had their glory days in the NCAA. You can add the recent success of Union and Yale, the resurgence of the RPI program and you can argue that the ECAC may be a factor nationally once again.
As far as your assessment of the ECAC academically' it is just flat wrong. While the HE schools have good reputations, Colgate, RPI and Union are superior to all the HE schools with the exception of BC and perhaps BU, but that is a stretch. SLU and Clarkson academics are equal to or above Maine, Merrimack, Lowell, UVM and Providence.
The ECAC would be a much better academic and geographic fit for Notre Dame than Hockey East, if the Irish were in fact interested in aligning with an Eastern league. The potential for TV money, the Big East relationship with Providence and the national profile of BC are strong points for HE.
If the ECAC was to decide that it wanted to invest in a league structure and acquire a TV package, it would be a better fit for Notre Dame.
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Great Video of PK at Combine. Go to this link. On the right hand side of this page click on NHL Scouting Combine: Day 2.
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=44174
Great Video of PK at Combine. Go to this link. On the right hand side of this page click on NHL Scouting Combine: Day 2.
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=44174
engineerhockeyfan
PUCKMAN RULES!!!
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
This is a great conversation and I guess that it all has to do with Penn St coming in and the formation of a big 10 conference. But why would ND want to move east? I know that they have the money, but why spend it when they don't have to.
The mid west has plenty of hockey programs, and new conferences are going to have to be created.
Personally, I don't see them coming east at all.
This is a great conversation and I guess that it all has to do with Penn St coming in and the formation of a big 10 conference. But why would ND want to move east? I know that they have the money, but why spend it when they don't have to.
The mid west has plenty of hockey programs, and new conferences are going to have to be created.
Personally, I don't see them coming east at all.
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Jasma, I always respect your well reasoned takes but toatally disagree with this one. Zero chance that Notre Dame will join the ECAC. Second rate operation. Example 1 - Tourney in Atlantic City was a joke, Example 2 - Bryan Hicks, Feola, et al. Example 3 Can you see Notre Dame coming to play Union at that dump, Example 4 - Paul Stewart, enuff said.
I tread lightly here because I am not an alum so I know the feelings about Ivies but this is a move that would be welcomed by me. Imagine going to play BU after the slugfest we had with them this year on the next night. Would be in line with our great Coach Seth Appert's desire to play back to back nights. Of course this scenario has been thought about before under Adessa (going HE). The Tute would be much more likely to raise the third National Championship banner in HE because look at how many champs come from there (help recruiting,etc.). We could also spar with Nick P. , Steve F, etc. and the beantown contingent. Now I would enjoy that. I think Seth is the right guy at the right time to make a move like this. I believe my erstwhile brother will agree with me but that's it because dammit we have to play Clarkson twice a year
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Jasma, I always respect your well reasoned takes but toatally disagree with this one. Zero chance that Notre Dame will join the ECAC. Second rate operation. Example 1 - Tourney in Atlantic City was a joke, Example 2 - Bryan Hicks, Feola, et al. Example 3 Can you see Notre Dame coming to play Union at that dump, Example 4 - Paul Stewart, enuff said.
I tread lightly here because I am not an alum so I know the feelings about Ivies but this is a move that would be welcomed by me. Imagine going to play BU after the slugfest we had with them this year on the next night. Would be in line with our great Coach Seth Appert's desire to play back to back nights. Of course this scenario has been thought about before under Adessa (going HE). The Tute would be much more likely to raise the third National Championship banner in HE because look at how many champs come from there (help recruiting,etc.). We could also spar with Nick P. , Steve F, etc. and the beantown contingent. Now I would enjoy that. I think Seth is the right guy at the right time to make a move like this. I believe my erstwhile brother will agree with me but that's it because dammit we have to play Clarkson twice a year
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I'm surprised we haven't heard from any of the pro-Adessa warblers yet...
Moving to Hockey East I don't feel would be a downgrade in terms of actual hockey play. One, better competition (which I realize could go either way for us). Two, Coach would get his wish: one opponent a weekend, rather than two. I know, doesn't matter much, but still a factor. Three, time for my kiss-butt moment, what AspyDad said earlier for the reasoning not directly involving Notre Dame, although I still feel the grass is always greener on the other side, and we may not see this to be true.
Obviously, there are downsides. One, loss of current in-league rivalries. Yes, they could be played non-conference, but we won't have that guaranteed revenue each year from when Clarkson and Cornell come to town (regardless of how boring the game may be, let's face it, those games draw well even with no students on campus). Two, academic associations. I realize it's not hockey-related, but it seems to be seen in high regard. Three, and the most likely as to why it would not happen, for whatever reason Coach Adessa's original claim was denied.
I'm surprised we haven't heard from any of the pro-Adessa warblers yet...
Moving to Hockey East I don't feel would be a downgrade in terms of actual hockey play. One, better competition (which I realize could go either way for us). Two, Coach would get his wish: one opponent a weekend, rather than two. I know, doesn't matter much, but still a factor. Three, time for my kiss-butt moment, what AspyDad said earlier for the reasoning not directly involving Notre Dame, although I still feel the grass is always greener on the other side, and we may not see this to be true.
Obviously, there are downsides. One, loss of current in-league rivalries. Yes, they could be played non-conference, but we won't have that guaranteed revenue each year from when Clarkson and Cornell come to town (regardless of how boring the game may be, let's face it, those games draw well even with no students on campus). Two, academic associations. I realize it's not hockey-related, but it seems to be seen in high regard. Three, and the most likely as to why it would not happen, for whatever reason Coach Adessa's original claim was denied.
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Just following up on what Jasma is saying. She's hit a lot of the points right on the head, but some of your comments are just ridiculous.
We're traveling to play hockey and the tradition / history / rivalry that we have with these two teams (well, at least Clarkson) would outweigh the fact that we only have to drive three-ish hours to UML / Merrimack, at least in my mind.
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The following is baseless speculation and I have no proof of what I am about to say.
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I think that you have the athletic side of the Institute on your side (Appert might be on the fence, but probably Col. Knowlton) saying that we should join the HEA, but I doubt that you have the academic side of the Institute agreeing with you. Their desire to be seen as a top-tier school is based on name recognition, and I don't mean the "these teams have won national championships recently" name recognition... I mean the "we compete against these schools academically and athletically" name recognition. BC brings that to the table. But, God forbid if we're mentioned in the same breath as UVM / UMass / Maine. If you (and by you, I mean the HEA commissioner / other athletic directors) can come up with reasonable explanations that make sense to Shirley Ann Jackson (our president) as to how raising the league that we would be playing in would raise the school's reputation more than it would be hurt by not associating ourselves with the Ivies, then you might be one step closer to brining in a 12th team into Hockey East. But, beware, this is the same president that tried to kill Greek Life for no reason and disbanded the Faculty Senate for, again, almost no reason. So, best of luck with that.
Just following up on what Jasma is saying. She's hit a lot of the points right on the head, but some of your comments are just ridiculous.
Their rink seats 4k, and, as she said, the amount of money / institutional investment that has been put in in the past five years is tremendous.
Your point is? You're not kicking out UVM or Maine. It's not like the HEA teams are talking about a trade of travel for less travel here.
Right, because we're traveling up to Canton / Potsdam for the scenery
We're traveling to play hockey and the tradition / history / rivalry that we have with these two teams (well, at least Clarkson) would outweigh the fact that we only have to drive three-ish hours to UML / Merrimack, at least in my mind.Valid point, but you're just explaining why RPI is supposedly a good fit for Hockey East, not why Hockey East (with its state schools, largely D-I athletic programs, and lack of academic name recognition) is a better fit for RPI than the ECAC (with Ivy / very highly regarded academic institutions, D-III athletic programs, and similar institution commitments to athletics).
*DISCLAIMER*
The following is baseless speculation and I have no proof of what I am about to say.
*DISCLAIMER*
I think that you have the athletic side of the Institute on your side (Appert might be on the fence, but probably Col. Knowlton) saying that we should join the HEA, but I doubt that you have the academic side of the Institute agreeing with you. Their desire to be seen as a top-tier school is based on name recognition, and I don't mean the "these teams have won national championships recently" name recognition... I mean the "we compete against these schools academically and athletically" name recognition. BC brings that to the table. But, God forbid if we're mentioned in the same breath as UVM / UMass / Maine. If you (and by you, I mean the HEA commissioner / other athletic directors) can come up with reasonable explanations that make sense to Shirley Ann Jackson (our president) as to how raising the league that we would be playing in would raise the school's reputation more than it would be hurt by not associating ourselves with the Ivies, then you might be one step closer to brining in a 12th team into Hockey East. But, beware, this is the same president that tried to kill Greek Life for no reason and disbanded the Faculty Senate for, again, almost no reason. So, best of luck with that.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
Does that explain the shaking this morning?
He must be in withdrawal. This has got to be worse than the DT's.
Does that explain the shaking this morning?
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
Why don't we start an RPI-to-WCHA rumor this time? There will be some room with W and M leaving, and SA would certainly like it.
Why don't we start an RPI-to-WCHA rumor this time? There will be some room with W and M leaving, and SA would certainly like it.
fishcore12
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Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
UAlbany is going to go from club to D1 and join the ECAC right after RPI leaves to go to Hockey East.......
UAlbany is going to go from club to D1 and join the ECAC right after RPI leaves to go to Hockey East.......
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
Kudos, AD. I looked at that site several x's a day for video of PK. Saw that one but never opened it.
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