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RPI Hockey 2012-2013 Part II: You Better Starting Posting the Engineer Way

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The second Minnesota State game. We lost in overtime, but we did score with the extra attacker.

You are correct. My apologies, thank you for reminding me. Guess I should state it as "it hurts us more often than helps us".
 
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Well good luck with that, seeing as how shot are frequently sent slightly off mark.. with the hope/intention of someone tipping/redirecting a shot past the keeper. ..they actually practice it. If you can devise a system that can detect a shooters intention, then you might be onto something.

I havent seen any video, but did anyone else notice .... from where I was sitting -- on the blueline -- that Q looked to be clearly off sides when they scored their 1st goal? (Was it me or did that zebra crew struggle with offsides all night?) Terrible.

Agree with others here -- if the PP were an old horse, it'd be taken out back and shot. Holding the puck too long and drilling a shot into the defenders shin pads is all to predictable, not to mention unacceptable. Whatever the "umbrella" setup on the PP is supposed to achieve, it isn't happening and hasn't happened in quite a while...zero traffic / bodies or shots to the net. Teams are pressuring the point which if you do the math, leaves them at a disadvantage down low...but the forwards to need cycle and create space. Teams are so familiar with what we're trying to do that they react before we even do it. WAY too much holding the puck and too much standing around waiting for a pass....the only thing that accomplishes is making the PK's life easier. More movement without the puck, make the D turn their head, create the disadvantage and get pucks to the net.

Concur. More tape to tape passes less walking the line.
 
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That being said, after seeing Hockey East "officiating", I generally keep quiet about the crappy ECAC "officiating".

There isn't that much of a difference. I know I've seen Hansen and Benedetto do both leagues.
 
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My only statement about the state of the season so far is that the Engineers have not led yet this ECAC season. And, they've trailed for more than 70% of the minutes they've played so far within the conference.

Never mind the fact that RPI is -5 in special teams goals despite having 7 more power play opportunities (-6 with 3 more opportunities in ECAC play). The fact that they haven't held any lead at all? That bothers the crap out of me.
 
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I don't know how. :o;)

I thought the referees did a good job both nights. The linesmen missed some calls, but overall the officiating was better than most weekends. The 5 on 3 was the right call, not a gift at all. You don't see two penalties on the same play often, but it was justified. The powerplay was just awful Saturday. The shot by Bailen that ended up as a breakaway for Peca was really bad.No need for the big slapper there. You have a two-man advantage, get the puck near the net, look for defelctions and rebounds.
 
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The same people that yell "shoot, shoot" during every power play are the ones who will still complain when the team does shoot and it gets blocked or goes wide. Then when the team does score a PPG they will still find something to nitpick about.


The power play is painful to watch. I'm not a huge fan of the umbrella setup that they run in general, and the way they execute it is, at last this weekend, terrible. If you want your shots to come from the point, fine, but if you don't make the other team respect the possibility of a shot coming from somewhere other than bailen then it's not going to be effective.

Run an overload out of the corner, cycle, draw the defensemen away from the net a bit, then drive towards the net and either rip a shot or drop it back to the point (bailen), having the guys from the cycle crash the net for traffic/screen.
 
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The power play is painful to watch. I'm not a huge fan of the umbrella setup that they run in general, and the way they execute it is, at last this weekend, terrible. If you want your shots to come from the point, fine, but if you don't make the other team respect the possibility of a shot coming from somewhere other than bailen then it's not going to be effective.

Run an overload out of the corner, cycle, draw the defensemen away from the net a bit, then drive towards the net and either rip a shot or drop it back to the point (bailen), having the guys from the cycle crash the net for traffic/screen.

The powerplay being awful to watch isn't exactly new for this season. Early in the year, I thought that it had improved, but it hasn''t looked that way recently.
 
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WEQX looks to be a radio station out of Manchester VT; it wouldn't surprise me if it were home-grown groups.

A) They're not.

B) You've never heard of WEQX? Where did you go to school?
 
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You are correct. My apologies, thank you for reminding me. Guess I should state it as "it hurts us more often than helps us".

Pulling the goaltender almost never hurts you. Whether you lose by one or lose by two is irrelevant.
 
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Pulling the goaltender almost never hurts you. Whether you lose by one or lose by two is irrelevant.

There is a question, however, as to when the goalie should be pulled to optimize results. One could calculate an estimate for this this based upon frequency of each team scoring with or without a goalie on the ice, but there are team-dependent factors involved that aren't easy to figure out.
 
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A) They're not.

B) You've never heard of WEQX? Where did you go to school?

The only part of Vermont I usually paid attention to was either along the Molly Stark Trail when I happened to be heading that way, or northeast of the southern edge of Lake Champlain.
 
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The only part of Vermont I usually paid attention to was either along the Molly Stark Trail when I happened to be heading that way, or northeast of the southern edge of Lake Champlain.

You don't have to be in Vermont to hear the radio station.
 
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There is a question, however, as to when the goalie should be pulled to optimize results. One could calculate an estimate for this this based upon frequency of each team scoring with or without a goalie on the ice, but there are team-dependent factors involved that aren't easy to figure out.

The goalie should be pulled to optimize results. Plain and simple. A one goal loss or a two goal loss is the same thing, and having more skaters at your disposal with the puck in the opposition's end is supposed to be a net benefit, that's why power plays exist. This is a no brainer.
 
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The goalie should be pulled to optimize results. Plain and simple. A one goal loss or a two goal loss is the same thing, and having more skaters at your disposal with the puck in the opposition's end is supposed to be a net benefit, that's why power plays exist. This is a no brainer.

So then, once we fall behind in a game, and we happen to gain the attacking zone, we should pull the goalie regardless of where we are in the game?
 
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So then, once we fall behind in a game, and we happen to gain the attacking zone, we should pull the goalie regardless of where we are in the game?

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So then, once we fall behind in a game, and we happen to gain the attacking zone, we should pull the goalie regardless of where we are in the game?

You're being intentionally fatuous here. It's obviously a late-game ploy, and you know why.
 
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There is a question, however, as to when the goalie should be pulled to optimize results. One could calculate an estimate for this this based upon frequency of each team scoring with or without a goalie on the ice, but there are team-dependent factors involved that aren't easy to figure out.

Very true-some teams are far more effective at pulling the goalie and some are not. Again it comes down to personnel and the system. We have certainly had lots of experience doing it the past few years. Just more to add about special teams play thst influences the final result. Change nothing else-and just give us a much better power play and penalty kill and we become an incredibly good team right now.
 
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