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RPI Hockey 2012-2013 Part II: You Better Starting Posting the Engineer Way
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I second that Beman - no more excuses. There have been enough over the last 5 years. Got to start winning, next year hath arrived.
I second that Beman - no more excuses. There have been enough over the last 5 years. Got to start winning, next year hath arrived.
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Two wins would certainly go a long way towards getting this team on the right track. A split at the absolute minimum is essential, but I think playing up to the level of this past weekend is the most important thing to see. If they play like they did against Princton and Q'Pac and get a win, that would bode well for the rest of the year. They need to get Laliberte in positions to create offense more often and a couple of other people have to start producing points and this team will be ok.
Two wins would certainly go a long way towards getting this team on the right track. A split at the absolute minimum is essential, but I think playing up to the level of this past weekend is the most important thing to see. If they play like they did against Princton and Q'Pac and get a win, that would bode well for the rest of the year. They need to get Laliberte in positions to create offense more often and a couple of other people have to start producing points and this team will be ok.
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Playing well is important, but winning is imperative. If we continue to play well and find a way to lose a game, we will lose all confidence in the system.
As for Laliberte, I was wondering if he was hurt or ill last week. As well as the rest of the team played, he was mostly invisible.
We need him healthy and playing at his best.
Playing well is important, but winning is imperative. If we continue to play well and find a way to lose a game, we will lose all confidence in the system.
As for Laliberte, I was wondering if he was hurt or ill last week. As well as the rest of the team played, he was mostly invisible.
We need him healthy and playing at his best.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
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We certainly don't want him to attempt to stop breakaways.
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Not his best weekend, but I thought he did some things well and created some opportunites, especially on one terrific powerplay Friday. He was certainly visible chasing Peca up the ice trying to prevent the winning goal after a senior gave up the puck at the blue line Saturday.
Not his best weekend, but I thought he did some things well and created some opportunites, especially on one terrific powerplay Friday. He was certainly visible chasing Peca up the ice trying to prevent the winning goal after a senior gave up the puck at the blue line Saturday.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
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That's why I carry a big stick.
Thinking about where we are right now, although we're 0-5-1 in league play, we're regulation-undefeated in NC play (3-1-2, the only loss coming in OT to a mid-pack WCHA team). What this tells me is that we have talent on the team, and would be successful against flying teams, but need to work on adjusting the talent to be successful against the grind known as the ECAC. It'd be like if you were playing MegaMan: Just because you have a weapon that is Air Man's weakness doesn't mean it's that good to use on Bubble Man. I know that there are accusations of "playing down to the competition" on here, but perhaps that style change is what you need to be successful against certain teams.
That's why I carry a big stick.
Thinking about where we are right now, although we're 0-5-1 in league play, we're regulation-undefeated in NC play (3-1-2, the only loss coming in OT to a mid-pack WCHA team). What this tells me is that we have talent on the team, and would be successful against flying teams, but need to work on adjusting the talent to be successful against the grind known as the ECAC. It'd be like if you were playing MegaMan: Just because you have a weapon that is Air Man's weakness doesn't mean it's that good to use on Bubble Man. I know that there are accusations of "playing down to the competition" on here, but perhaps that style change is what you need to be successful against certain teams.
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The writer makes some very good points on every topic. As for his take on RPI; I think you would have to agree. It is difficult to fathom why this team continues to wallow near the bottom of the ECAC standings. They had one decent year and a good year when they made the NCAA Tournament a couple of years ago, but the other seasons under Coach Appert have been mostly disappointing. We have seen signs of improvement the past couple of weeks, but we have seen flashes in the past too. This weekend will be very telling. If the team can build on the mostly good performance of the past two weeks and get 2 or 3 standings points, we can begin to believe that they have turned the corner. Another slide backwards and it will be tough for them to secure home ice this season. Another 13-19-5 kind of season, or worse, will not fly. I like a lot of what Appert has done and I like a lot of the players he has recruited, but it is time for this program to climb back into the top half of the league. The school appears to have given him the tools; it's time to finish the house. I think most of us don't even want to think about another new coach and another rebuilding period. LGR!
The writer makes some very good points on every topic. As for his take on RPI; I think you would have to agree. It is difficult to fathom why this team continues to wallow near the bottom of the ECAC standings. They had one decent year and a good year when they made the NCAA Tournament a couple of years ago, but the other seasons under Coach Appert have been mostly disappointing. We have seen signs of improvement the past couple of weeks, but we have seen flashes in the past too. This weekend will be very telling. If the team can build on the mostly good performance of the past two weeks and get 2 or 3 standings points, we can begin to believe that they have turned the corner. Another slide backwards and it will be tough for them to secure home ice this season. Another 13-19-5 kind of season, or worse, will not fly. I like a lot of what Appert has done and I like a lot of the players he has recruited, but it is time for this program to climb back into the top half of the league. The school appears to have given him the tools; it's time to finish the house. I think most of us don't even want to think about another new coach and another rebuilding period. LGR!
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I hope the super hero comic book references were tongue in cheek. Having said that, your point is well taken. Appert is trying to build a team that can compete for a national championship. Can you do that and be succesfull in the ECAC? I would hope so. Do you really think that BC, UNH, Minnesota, Miami or Notre Dame would not finish at or near the top of the ECAC every year? The good ECAC programs play the tough defensive style because they can't get the number of speedy highly skilled players that the elite teams in college hockey can attract. Defense wins championships in most team sports, but you still have to score and the ECAC teams can't consistently draw enough highly skilled offensive players to be a significant factor on the nationsl stage. Union and Yale have been notable exceptions recently, but they have not been able to sustain the level of talent beyond a year or two.
That's why I carry a big stick.
Thinking about where we are right now, although we're 0-5-1 in league play, we're regulation-undefeated in NC play (3-1-2, the only loss coming in OT to a mid-pack WCHA team). What this tells me is that we have talent on the team, and would be successful against flying teams, but need to work on adjusting the talent to be successful against the grind known as the ECAC. It'd be like if you were playing MegaMan: Just because you have a weapon that is Air Man's weakness doesn't mean it's that good to use on Bubble Man. I know that there are accusations of "playing down to the competition" on here, but perhaps that style change is what you need to be successful against certain teams.
I hope the super hero comic book references were tongue in cheek. Having said that, your point is well taken. Appert is trying to build a team that can compete for a national championship. Can you do that and be succesfull in the ECAC? I would hope so. Do you really think that BC, UNH, Minnesota, Miami or Notre Dame would not finish at or near the top of the ECAC every year? The good ECAC programs play the tough defensive style because they can't get the number of speedy highly skilled players that the elite teams in college hockey can attract. Defense wins championships in most team sports, but you still have to score and the ECAC teams can't consistently draw enough highly skilled offensive players to be a significant factor on the nationsl stage. Union and Yale have been notable exceptions recently, but they have not been able to sustain the level of talent beyond a year or two.
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Its a cart before the horse thing, IMO. You can play all of the high profile NC games you want, but if you are 3-10 in league play, you're not going anywhere. Until we are competitive in the ECAC, the rest is secondary. I for one would greatly enjoy/appreciate/savor a few years of being a top 4 ECAC team that is darn near impossible to beat at home...and wins half or more of their road games...and might make a few NCAA appearances. That would be very enjoyable for me, personally....because this trudging to HFH with little or no expectations has gotten rather old, to be honest. I see the potential, as we all do...but its time to give the fans something to root for.
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(UHN: Is there hope for Union's crosstown rival RPI this year?
JK: Hope for what? There's always the chance to get hot I guess and go on a run. But I don't see them playing at home in the playoffs. That's for sure. I'm a member of the group that really like head coach Seth Appert, but are thinking his time might be up.)
Jason Klump comments.
I think the most frustrating part of the Seth Appert era are promises made. When he arrived he promised an uptempo game and national prominence. He hasn't delivered.
I try to start every season giving Seth the benefit of the doubt, especially this year, after winning late last year. Coach's comments after last two weekends have been upbeat. It hasn't been the usual, its my fault, or the goalies need to be better, or the upperclassmen need to be better leaders. Hopefully his statements are honest and he sees good things from this team for the remainder of the year.
Klump says there is a chance they get hot. It needs to start this weekend. If it doesn't RPI has to think about going in another direction.
(UHN: Is there hope for Union's crosstown rival RPI this year?
JK: Hope for what? There's always the chance to get hot I guess and go on a run. But I don't see them playing at home in the playoffs. That's for sure. I'm a member of the group that really like head coach Seth Appert, but are thinking his time might be up.)
Jason Klump comments.
I think the most frustrating part of the Seth Appert era are promises made. When he arrived he promised an uptempo game and national prominence. He hasn't delivered.
I try to start every season giving Seth the benefit of the doubt, especially this year, after winning late last year. Coach's comments after last two weekends have been upbeat. It hasn't been the usual, its my fault, or the goalies need to be better, or the upperclassmen need to be better leaders. Hopefully his statements are honest and he sees good things from this team for the remainder of the year.
Klump says there is a chance they get hot. It needs to start this weekend. If it doesn't RPI has to think about going in another direction.
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I am in absolute agreement with all of this. Great post.
I am in absolute agreement with all of this. Great post.
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This is what I believe.
This is what I believe.
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The problem with "should be" and "optimize" is that analysis sometimes indicates counter-intuitive results which in turn means that the coach / team has to run counter to "accepted wisdom."
In football, statistical analysis indicates that teams "should" go for it on 4th down far more often than they do. There is a high school coach somewhere who never punts, and his teams' results have been spectacular as a result (Sports Illustrated did a write-up on him about a year ago, IIRC).
I have no idea where I saw it, but there was an article somewhere that said teams generally pull their goalie for the extra attacker far too late in games; that the "ideal" spot is something like 6 minutes left in the game, theoretically. Hard to imagine anyone actually testing that in practice.
I wonder, can you substitute goalies liberally? If you pull the goalie that early, you'll have to send him back out again from time to time (e.g., face-offs in your own zone). Can you alternate which one you send out so that they have fresh legs from skating back and forth to the bench so oftern?
The problem with "should be" and "optimize" is that analysis sometimes indicates counter-intuitive results which in turn means that the coach / team has to run counter to "accepted wisdom."
In football, statistical analysis indicates that teams "should" go for it on 4th down far more often than they do. There is a high school coach somewhere who never punts, and his teams' results have been spectacular as a result (Sports Illustrated did a write-up on him about a year ago, IIRC).
I have no idea where I saw it, but there was an article somewhere that said teams generally pull their goalie for the extra attacker far too late in games; that the "ideal" spot is something like 6 minutes left in the game, theoretically. Hard to imagine anyone actually testing that in practice.
I wonder, can you substitute goalies liberally? If you pull the goalie that early, you'll have to send him back out again from time to time (e.g., face-offs in your own zone). Can you alternate which one you send out so that they have fresh legs from skating back and forth to the bench so oftern?
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
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I don't see why you can't.
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I think Colgate did some sort of goalie change like this during an ECAC consolation game (I believe during Safety Band II). The goaltender is the only position allowed in a change during violations where you are not allowed to change players, and only if you don't have one on the ice at the time of the violation.
I think Colgate did some sort of goalie change like this during an ECAC consolation game (I believe during Safety Band II). The goaltender is the only position allowed in a change during violations where you are not allowed to change players, and only if you don't have one on the ice at the time of the violation.
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Sounds like Cornell.
Well said. I think most people on this site have similar expectations for this program. I think we all agree that it is time to step up and become a factor in the ECAC.
Sounds like Cornell.
Well said. I think most people on this site have similar expectations for this program. I think we all agree that it is time to step up and become a factor in the ECAC.
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