We had some of those recruited walk on type of players and honestly they were almost all dead weight for our team. You're better off getting rid of those types of players. Addition by subtraction. Guess where most of the complaints about ice time came from too?! It was ridiculous. It was like, Really? You have no points in two seasons and you think you should have more playing time and a higher role on the team? Right! Get real!
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RPI Engineers 2018-2019
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We had some of those recruited walk on type of players and honestly they were almost all dead weight for our team. You're better off getting rid of those types of players. Addition by subtraction. Guess where most of the complaints about ice time came from too?! It was ridiculous. It was like, Really? You have no points in two seasons and you think you should have more playing time and a higher role on the team? Right! Get real!
FlagDUDE08
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I don't see any tiebreakers involving Yale (the team that would be in all corresponding tiebreaks) that would put us at the very bottom, given they would only have 2 points vs. Harvard and 1 on us which would reset the tiebreak, and we've already taken 2 points on Quinnipiac with Yale only 1 when involving a 3-or-4-way, so suffice to say 3 points would put us in.
I don't see any tiebreakers involving Yale (the team that would be in all corresponding tiebreaks) that would put us at the very bottom, given they would only have 2 points vs. Harvard and 1 on us which would reset the tiebreak, and we've already taken 2 points on Quinnipiac with Yale only 1 when involving a 3-or-4-way, so suffice to say 3 points would put us in.
MAHOCKEY FAN
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so...as the rosters get bigger, 18 scholarships (is that still the number?), get stretched. I think you will continue to see these committed walk-ons. I have heard of this from other schools as well. not sure what the longer term promises are but maybe they start with "nothing freshman year, 1/4 sophomore, and 1/2 for junior, full for senior" look at the size of some of the rosters...BC has 24 rostered. Any red-shirts? TTT would know better, i shouldn't even mention BC without him!
so...as the rosters get bigger, 18 scholarships (is that still the number?), get stretched. I think you will continue to see these committed walk-ons. I have heard of this from other schools as well. not sure what the longer term promises are but maybe they start with "nothing freshman year, 1/4 sophomore, and 1/2 for junior, full for senior" look at the size of some of the rosters...BC has 24 rostered. Any red-shirts? TTT would know better, i shouldn't even mention BC without him!
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI Engineers 2018-2019
As is always the case with posts by Shelfit, this is an incredible oversimplification that ignores the facts. What it ignores is that programs have a LOT of options that go beyond the limit on athletic scholarships. Look at the Ivies. You could regard their entire rosters as recruited walk-ons in that they populate their rosters entirely without the aid of athletic scholarships. RPI also has a number of very high value academic scholarship opportunities (e.g. the Renssalaer medals) that cover a very large percentage of costs. Many academically inclined top-notch hockey players can be encouraged to "walk on" to teams at universities with high academic standards, including some of the best D3 programs. Not sure what program Shelfit was associated with, but probably one without those sorts of academic drawing cards
. Mic drop.
As is always the case with posts by Shelfit, this is an incredible oversimplification that ignores the facts. What it ignores is that programs have a LOT of options that go beyond the limit on athletic scholarships. Look at the Ivies. You could regard their entire rosters as recruited walk-ons in that they populate their rosters entirely without the aid of athletic scholarships. RPI also has a number of very high value academic scholarship opportunities (e.g. the Renssalaer medals) that cover a very large percentage of costs. Many academically inclined top-notch hockey players can be encouraged to "walk on" to teams at universities with high academic standards, including some of the best D3 programs. Not sure what program Shelfit was associated with, but probably one without those sorts of academic drawing cards
. Mic drop.
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As is always the case with posts by Shelfit, this is an incredible oversimplification that ignores the facts. What it ignores is that programs have a LOT of options that go beyond the limit on athletic scholarships. Look at the Ivies. You could regard their entire rosters as recruited walk-ons in that they populate their rosters entirely without the aid of athletic scholarships. RPI also has a number of very high value academic scholarship opportunities (e.g. the Renssalaer medals) that cover a very large percentage of costs. Many academically inclined top-notch hockey players can be encouraged to "walk on" to teams at universities with high academic standards, including some of the best D3 programs. Not sure what program Shelfit was associated with, but probably one without those sorts of academic drawing cards
I said we would have been better off without the dead weight of players that weren't good enough to really contribute to the team but still complained about their ice time and roles. That's simple and straightforward enough for any fool to understand, even you. I wasn't talking about the number of scholarships or how they're distributed each year. I was talking about the frustrations of having teammates that couldn't really play at the same level and what's the point of having them on the team?! To fill uniforms? I'd rather have fewer players but who could all play at that level.
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ARM
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On most teams, they aren't dead weight. They contribute by ensuring there are enough players for a full practice during times of illness, injury, and exams, and they are usually needed for a couple of games during the year that coincide with international tournaments or some other reason for a short bench. It requires a special person to stay ready and contribute when called upon. Are they All-Stars? No, but then most players on a roster are not. As with any role on the team, it is best filled by someone whose character is among her greatest strengths. And I know of some who started out as a walk-on and worked up to a more prominent role. They have my respect.
That's all very idyllic and feel-good. I'm just giving what I experienced. Dead weight is dead weight and it's worse when they are also the biggest whiners and complainers on the team. You're better off without them in practice and in games. Drill killers that think they should have a better role on the team? Ya right! The "some" you refer to who start out as walk ons and work up to better roles are very rare. (I'm done with this topic)
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Still Eeyore
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If the walk-ons are such a negative, that says a lot about a program's culture.
If the walk-ons are such a negative, that says a lot about a program's culture.
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At some point, Shelfit, you may need to look in the mirror and recognize that your experience has nothing to do with the broader reality, and that your ambitions for coaching NCAA hockey are just not realistic.
At some point, Shelfit, you may need to look in the mirror and recognize that your experience has nothing to do with the broader reality, and that your ambitions for coaching NCAA hockey are just not realistic.
Lmao. Let me guess, you're a male and you never played college hockey. My experience is more common than you think. I have friends and former teammates who got into coaching for a few years before they got real jobs and from what they experienced as assistant coaches I have no desire to get into a career that pays me less than I make now and where I would have to put in far more hours and give up all my weekends. That's an insane lifestyle in my opinion. Besides I'd rather criticize than be criticized. Lol.
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FlagDUDE08
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The biggest downside I see is that they probably aren't able to go back and forth between the varsity and the club teams as needed. Not to mention, if the coach is anything like his previous supervisor, he'd insist by junior year that the player either commit exclusively to the varsity squad or not be a part, as some multi-sport athletes have experienced. I'd have to brush up on that part of the by-laws, but it would be a boon if "practice squad" walk-ons could practice with both the varsity and club teams, while playing with the club team for most games to stay fresh and still be available for varsity games in the circumstances you described. It'd be similar to reserve and youth squads in European Football, but not like the JV/Varsity relationships of yesteryear.
The biggest downside I see is that they probably aren't able to go back and forth between the varsity and the club teams as needed. Not to mention, if the coach is anything like his previous supervisor, he'd insist by junior year that the player either commit exclusively to the varsity squad or not be a part, as some multi-sport athletes have experienced. I'd have to brush up on that part of the by-laws, but it would be a boon if "practice squad" walk-ons could practice with both the varsity and club teams, while playing with the club team for most games to stay fresh and still be available for varsity games in the circumstances you described. It'd be similar to reserve and youth squads in European Football, but not like the JV/Varsity relationships of yesteryear.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI Engineers 2018-2019
RPI lost to QU 4-0. LS made 37 saves, bringing her to 3890.
RPI lost to QU 4-0. LS made 37 saves, bringing her to 3890.
FlagDUDE08
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With the loss, cannot get home ice for the playoffs. With Yale's loss, any win, tie, or non-win-by-Yale means we make the playoffs. 5th and 6th are 1 point above us in 7th.
With the loss, cannot get home ice for the playoffs. With Yale's loss, any win, tie, or non-win-by-Yale means we make the playoffs. 5th and 6th are 1 point above us in 7th.
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Time to review my hopes and fears for this season. This was posted on Sept 30, and I have to say that the season has gone much better than I had expected, thanks mainly to Lovisa, some smart defensive play, and great discipline, that has to be the result of some good coaching. But, yes the failure to put the puck in the net is still there, but in addition this team has been outskated and outshot more than most RPI teams of the past.
Time to look forward to our last 3 games against 3 very talented teams: Princeton this afternoon, Colgate and Cornell next weekend. Two objectives: 1) need to somehow pick up one point in case Yale runs the table on their remaining schedule; and 2) dress rehearsal for the first round of playoffs. Chances are very good that we will face one of these three teams in the first round. With its defensive style RPI is capable of upsetting any team in one game, but the challenge of beating one of these teams in a three game series is beyond the capability of what we have seen from this team so far this year. So the question is: can they find another gear? I will be watching all games.
Time to review my hopes and fears for this season. This was posted on Sept 30, and I have to say that the season has gone much better than I had expected, thanks mainly to Lovisa, some smart defensive play, and great discipline, that has to be the result of some good coaching. But, yes the failure to put the puck in the net is still there, but in addition this team has been outskated and outshot more than most RPI teams of the past.
Time to look forward to our last 3 games against 3 very talented teams: Princeton this afternoon, Colgate and Cornell next weekend. Two objectives: 1) need to somehow pick up one point in case Yale runs the table on their remaining schedule; and 2) dress rehearsal for the first round of playoffs. Chances are very good that we will face one of these three teams in the first round. With its defensive style RPI is capable of upsetting any team in one game, but the challenge of beating one of these teams in a three game series is beyond the capability of what we have seen from this team so far this year. So the question is: can they find another gear? I will be watching all games.
FlagDUDE08
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Cornell just beat Yale, so we're headed to the playoffs no matter what.
Cornell just beat Yale, so we're headed to the playoffs no matter what.
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I am dumbfounded, and over the moon. We beat Princeton, on their home ice, the same way that we always win. Strong goaltending, discipline, tough defence. I LOVE this year's version of the Engineers! Most years, I overestimate RPI...but this year I have tended to sell them short. They have already exceeded my expectations for the year...now let's finish it off with a strong final weekend and a playoff performance like no other.
I am dumbfounded, and over the moon. We beat Princeton, on their home ice, the same way that we always win. Strong goaltending, discipline, tough defence. I LOVE this year's version of the Engineers! Most years, I overestimate RPI...but this year I have tended to sell them short. They have already exceeded my expectations for the year...now let's finish it off with a strong final weekend and a playoff performance like no other.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: RPI Engineers 2018-2019
LS made 57 saves vs. PU. that gives her 3947. She needs 147 more.
LS made 57 saves vs. PU. that gives her 3947. She needs 147 more.
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That's 37 per game for the uncontested record (if we get swept). Not a crazy number, especially if we keep giving up this many shots. If everything plays out according to our averages, she'll end up 9 short.
That's 37 per game for the uncontested record (if we get swept). Not a crazy number, especially if we keep giving up this many shots. If everything plays out according to our averages, she'll end up 9 short.