Re: RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board
Uh oh, here comes Hokydad to beotch.
Uh oh, here comes Hokydad to beotch.
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RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board
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Re: RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board
Once again, johnk you are spot on about move to Hockey East. Change is sometimes good. It is not a surprise that each time that we have declined a offer from HE we have seen erosion in the program. This is not only a tool to attract recruits but I believe that it is a reason why SA stayed. If we go to HE my friend, I am coming over to have a cocktail in the best darn Irish Pub in the Northeast. BTW- when I was having drinks with babo, tb and I mentioned our stop over at your joint and Babo wants to come over for a pop or two or five....
Once again, johnk you are spot on about move to Hockey East. Change is sometimes good. It is not a surprise that each time that we have declined a offer from HE we have seen erosion in the program. This is not only a tool to attract recruits but I believe that it is a reason why SA stayed. If we go to HE my friend, I am coming over to have a cocktail in the best darn Irish Pub in the Northeast. BTW- when I was having drinks with babo, tb and I mentioned our stop over at your joint and Babo wants to come over for a pop or two or five....
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I thought pop didn't have any alcohol in it... unless you mean as a mixer.
I thought pop didn't have any alcohol in it... unless you mean as a mixer.
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Re: RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board
As it should. Why should a team have the opportunity to go 0-22 then win 4 games at the end of the season and be given an autobid to the NCAA tournament? While the ECAC has seen several upsets by lower-seeded teams (as we are well aware), never since the league adopted its current format in 84-85 has a team lower than the 7th seed won the tournament.
1 seeds: 9 championships
2 seeds: 9 championships
3 seeds: 3 championships
4 seeds: 2 championships
5 seeds: 0 championships
6 seeds: 2 championships
7 seeds: 1 championship
8-12 seeds: 0 championships
As it should. Why should a team have the opportunity to go 0-22 then win 4 games at the end of the season and be given an autobid to the NCAA tournament? While the ECAC has seen several upsets by lower-seeded teams (as we are well aware), never since the league adopted its current format in 84-85 has a team lower than the 7th seed won the tournament.
1 seeds: 9 championships
2 seeds: 9 championships
3 seeds: 3 championships
4 seeds: 2 championships
5 seeds: 0 championships
6 seeds: 2 championships
7 seeds: 1 championship
8-12 seeds: 0 championships
Ralph Baer
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The current format, with all 12 teams making the playoffs, started in 02-03. 84-85 was the first year after the Great Divorce with a 12-team league, but at that time only 8 schools made the playoffs as was the case earlier. The playoffs went to 10 schools in 89-90. There were also various lengths of series along the way.
The current format, with all 12 teams making the playoffs, started in 02-03. 84-85 was the first year after the Great Divorce with a 12-team league, but at that time only 8 schools made the playoffs as was the case earlier. The playoffs went to 10 schools in 89-90. There were also various lengths of series along the way.
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um, I agree totally with your sentiment; the regular season should have something meaningful at stake beyond home ice advantage....
Eventually someone will point out that for a 9 - 12 seed to win the autobid they would need to win six games, not four.....
um, I agree totally with your sentiment; the regular season should have something meaningful at stake beyond home ice advantage....
Eventually someone will point out that for a 9 - 12 seed to win the autobid they would need to win six games, not four.....
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Well, not to be negative Nancy here, but there's a bit of a difference in Hockey East - the titans.
Since 1994-95, when Hockey East expanded to nine teams by adding UMass, the "Big Four" of BC, BU, UNH, and Maine have accounted for 54 of 71 positions in the top four of the league (17 seasons, plus 3 other teams that finished in a tie for fourth). That's roughly 3 per year, which means there's not an awful lot of elbow room up there and it isn't getting any easier with a potential perennial powerhouse in Notre Dame joining the fold.
Well, not to be negative Nancy here, but there's a bit of a difference in Hockey East - the titans.
Since 1994-95, when Hockey East expanded to nine teams by adding UMass, the "Big Four" of BC, BU, UNH, and Maine have accounted for 54 of 71 positions in the top four of the league (17 seasons, plus 3 other teams that finished in a tie for fourth). That's roughly 3 per year, which means there's not an awful lot of elbow room up there and it isn't getting any easier with a potential perennial powerhouse in Notre Dame joining the fold.
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These teams view the regular season as the 'necessary evil' they have to endure merely to make it into post-season play. RPI aspires to be at that level. Many people here seem to think a 3rd place in HE will be much better seasoning for a post-season run than an ECAC autobid would be.
It seems to me that a subtle potential problem with that reasoning might be expanded travel time....isn't it harder (all else being even) to win regularly when you have to travel longer distances than most of the other teams in your league?
These teams view the regular season as the 'necessary evil' they have to endure merely to make it into post-season play. RPI aspires to be at that level. Many people here seem to think a 3rd place in HE will be much better seasoning for a post-season run than an ECAC autobid would be.
It seems to me that a subtle potential problem with that reasoning might be expanded travel time....isn't it harder (all else being even) to win regularly when you have to travel longer distances than most of the other teams in your league?
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Not if you have better players and coaches. Didn't seem to bother Maine much during their run.
Not if you have better players and coaches. Didn't seem to bother Maine much during their run.
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Google spreadsheet with all ECAC results since the new format was adopted in 02-03.
5-8 seeds in 2nd round: 6-16
9-12 seeds in 2nd round: 3-11
Lowest seed to win a championship: #6 (Harvard in 2003-04)
Lowest seed to play for a championship: #9 (Clarkson in 2003-04)
Other than the upside-down world that came out of the 03-04 season, only one team that has not gotten a bye has played for the championship (#5 Quinnipiac in 2006-07). So, of the 18 finalists since 02-03, 15 of them won themselves a bye with their regular season play, 2 would have been playing in an 8-team format anyways (and would have been matched up against the same team that they beat to advance to the final weekend, to boot), and 1 got extremely hot before their luck ran out.
Google spreadsheet with all ECAC results since the new format was adopted in 02-03.
5-8 seeds in 2nd round: 6-16
9-12 seeds in 2nd round: 3-11
Lowest seed to win a championship: #6 (Harvard in 2003-04)
Lowest seed to play for a championship: #9 (Clarkson in 2003-04)
Other than the upside-down world that came out of the 03-04 season, only one team that has not gotten a bye has played for the championship (#5 Quinnipiac in 2006-07). So, of the 18 finalists since 02-03, 15 of them won themselves a bye with their regular season play, 2 would have been playing in an 8-team format anyways (and would have been matched up against the same team that they beat to advance to the final weekend, to boot), and 1 got extremely hot before their luck ran out.
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Yeah, third place - or heck, even 5th place sometimes - is definitely better preparation than the ECAC autobid.
Yeah, third place - or heck, even 5th place sometimes - is definitely better preparation than the ECAC autobid.
Ralph Baer
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HE Commissioner Joe Bertagna will be at a press conference at ND tomorrow http://excalibursportspage.com/2011...east-press-conference-at-notre-dame-tomorrow/. One wouldn't expect him to be there if ND wasn't going to HE.
HE Commissioner Joe Bertagna will be at a press conference at ND tomorrow http://excalibursportspage.com/2011...east-press-conference-at-notre-dame-tomorrow/. One wouldn't expect him to be there if ND wasn't going to HE.
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With the improvement to the facilities and other upgrades to the athletic department, this would be the time to make the move. I don't think that staying in the ECAC is necessarily a bad move, except, that, though it appears stable, I just don't trust that the Ivies won't bolt and go off on their own sometime, maybe with Colgate and possibly Holy Cross and leave the rest of the league in a bind. Call it paranoia.
With the improvement to the facilities and other upgrades to the athletic department, this would be the time to make the move. I don't think that staying in the ECAC is necessarily a bad move, except, that, though it appears stable, I just don't trust that the Ivies won't bolt and go off on their own sometime, maybe with Colgate and possibly Holy Cross and leave the rest of the league in a bind. Call it paranoia.
Ralph Baer
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Well, the same paranoia caused the HE to be formed in the first place back in 1984.
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If the Ivy League were to bolt, why would they take non-ivies with them?
If the Ivy League were to bolt, why would they take non-ivies with them?
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I guess I miss the logic here. It's not like the other teams get to travel a shorter distance to our rink than we do to theirs. So long as there is a balanced schedule (same home and away) then what difference does it make? Furthermore, keeping the team in a hotel on a road trip to BC and BU might be a better team building opportunity than taking two afternoon bus rides from Northeastern or North Andover.
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Especially the Survivor Max Oni kind. (for those who have no idea what I'm talking about, see under Dance Dance Revolution, PSMO)
Especially the Survivor Max Oni kind.
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RHamilton might. That's probably it, though.
RHamilton might. That's probably it, though.
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