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RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board

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Hi folks, great to return after an eventful summer. After reading this thread, I do have a dull ringing in my ears....

As for move to HE...better late than never.

LETS GO RED!
 
Re: RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board

Hi folks, great to return after an eventful summer. After reading this thread, I do have a dull ringing in my ears....

As for move to HE...better late than never.

LETS GO RED!

I assume that it wasn't from hockeybuzz. ;)
 
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Here's how I look @ this....with all thats going on in college hockey realignment wise the question is 1,2,3 years down the road will there be an ECACHL...with the way It is managed and the lack of a TV contract that IMO is very questionable...if that happens what wiil our options be then !!!...if in fact a chance to move to a better league w/a TV contract presents itself(that's still a big IF) my feeling is that we should pounce on it opportunity doesn't always knock twice...NCAA Hockey like its counterparts BBall & Football is slowly becoming a buisness whether we like it or not thats the facts of the matter....the smart money is out in front of this trend because buisness is buisness....this very well COULD be a classic case of IF YOU SNOOZE...YOU LOSE....after all when all the emotions of who we assosiate ourselves with on the ice subsides isn't the ultimate goal the long term viability of our program...JMO

This is an excellent point, and one that has not been brought up enough in our discussions. If further conference shakeups increase the divide between "haves" and "have nots", RPI could easily end up with the "have nots" unless it takes proactive steps now. I think that it is safe to say that an Ivy-less "Empire State Conference" (for an unlikely example) would classify as a "have not". In the grand landscape of college hockey, joining Hockey East now might be our only shot at transitioning over to a conference of "haves". Access to more media exposure and $$ (tv contracts/tourney revenue etc...) will only help to keep us moving forward. Admittedly, I have reservations about being swallowed up in a Hockey East containing the Big 4 + ND. However, I would be devastated if we were to pass up the shot now, and have some bizarre shakeup down the road relegate us to a completely meaningless conference. (thought he ECAC is stable now...who knows what the future holds). I look at UConn's conference situation now, where Cuse/Pitt made the proactive switch, and UConn is now scrambling to find stable footing in bball and football. UConn might have the clout to pull something off. RPI certainly would not if it were in a similar scenario.
 
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This is an excellent point, and one that has not been brought up enough in our discussions. If further conference shakeups increase the divide between "haves" and "have nots", RPI could easily end up with the "have nots" unless it takes proactive steps now. I think that it is safe to say that an Ivy-less "Empire State Conference" (for an unlikely example) would classify as a "have not". In the grand landscape of college hockey, joining Hockey East now might be our only shot at transitioning over to a conference of "haves". Access to more media exposure and $$ (tv contracts/tourney revenue etc...) will only help to keep us moving forward. Admittedly, I have reservations about being swallowed up in a Hockey East containing the Big 4 + ND. However, I would be devastated if we were to pass up the shot now, and have some bizarre shakeup down the road relegate us to a completely meaningless conference. (thought he ECAC is stable now...who knows what the future holds). I look at UConn's conference situation now, where Cuse/Pitt made the proactive switch, and UConn is now scrambling to find stable footing in bball and football. UConn might have the clout to pull something off. RPI certainly would not if it were in a similar scenario.

I hadn't thought about that angle either, but it does make sense. However, the HEA is just as likely to explode as the ECAC, perhaps moreso, and we could be left with UML, Merrimack, etc. which to my eye is worse than CCT, SLU, etc.
 
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I hadn't thought about that angle either, but it does make sense. However, the HEA is just as likely to explode as the ECAC, perhaps moreso, and we could be left with UML, Merrimack, etc. which to my eye is worse than CCT, SLU, etc.
I think the major threat to the viability of the ECAC would be an Ivy breakaway leaving the non Ivy members to pick up the pieces in some manner.
 
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I think the major threat to the viability of the ECAC would be an Ivy breakaway leaving the non Ivy members to pick up the pieces in some manner.

There's another threat that Ralph brings up, and that is if BC, BU, UNH, and Maine leave Hockey East. Granted, I don't see where they would go (aside from maybe the NCHC to make that 12 teams)...
 
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I hadn't thought about that angle either, but it does make sense. However, the HEA is just as likely to explode as the ECAC, perhaps moreso, and we could be left with UML, Merrimack, etc. which to my eye is worse than CCT, SLU, etc.

I appreciate everyone's input on this subject, and personally, I am torn between staying and going.
But in the end, we can only put our faith in the people running the program. Knowlton and Appert will do everything they can to keep this program going in the right direction.
They are on the front lines, and I have confidence that they will do the right thing.

Now, lets play hockey.
 
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I hadn't thought about that angle either, but it does make sense. However, the HEA is just as likely to explode as the ECAC, perhaps moreso, and we could be left with UML, Merrimack, etc. which to my eye is worse than CCT, SLU, etc.

That's a good point. Sometimes you know what you have-and do not know what you will get. There is no guarantee that HE or the ECAC will not implode. If both do, then where do we want to be? There are just so many permutations (I thought i would throw in a math term for you Ralph) out there that doing anything may end up being worse than doing nothing-or vice versa. I certainly am not privy to all the things that our administration and coach have available to them. I just trust that they will make the right decision under the circumstances.
 
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I think the major threat to the viability of the ECAC would be an Ivy breakaway leaving the non Ivy members to pick up the pieces in some manner.

I suspect the Ivies will do what they feel benefits them the most-without any regard for the other members of the ECAC. Just MHO but past experience has shown them to be most concerned about their own little league.
 
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I appreciate everyone's input on this subject, and personally, I am torn between staying and going.
But in the end, we can only put our faith in the people running the program. Knowlton and Appert will do everything they can to keep this program going in the right direction.
They are on the front lines, and I have confidence that they will do the right thing.

Now, lets play hockey.

We just posted almost the exact same sentiments a minute apart. I knew we liked you after the Princeton game last year.;)
 
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I suspect the Ivies will do what they feel benefits them the most-without any regard for the other members of the ECAC. Just MHO but past experience has shown them to be most concerned about their own little league.
I agree and that would be my concern for Union and for RPI if you stay put. No one has a crystal ball so I guess any move can be second guessed. Bottom line I don't think college hockey is going away, the landscape just keeps changing.
 
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I hadn't thought about that angle either, but it does make sense. However, the HEA is just as likely to explode as the ECAC, perhaps moreso, and we could be left with UML, Merrimack, etc. which to my eye is worse than CCT, SLU, etc.
I don't know about that Ralph. I think you underestimate the provincialism of New Englanders. I think they like having a top hockey conference that is New England based - even with a couple of outsiders added into the mix. I think a more logical path here is an IVY conf forms followed by a merging of the non-ivies with HE - not the blow up of HE.
 
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I don't know about that Ralph. I think you underestimate the provincialism of New Englanders. I think they like having a top hockey conference that is New England based - even with a couple of outsiders added into the mix. I think a more logical path here is an IVY conf forms followed by a merging of the non-ivies with HE - not the blow up of HE.

I agree that the Ivies might at some point decide to form their own league. I ahve heard nothing about that recently but the idea that it might happen was what started the HEA in the first place.

There currently are four so-called power teams in the HEA. Even adding Notre Dame there are only five. The only danger is if UMass at some time decides to throw more resources into its hockey program and/or UConn decides to throw a lot more resources there. No one will start a league with only five teams.
 
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I suspect the Ivies will do what they feel benefits them the most-without any regard for the other members of the ECAC. Just MHO but past experience has shown them to be most concerned about their own little league.
IMO, I always thought the Ivies would do well in their own conference. They probably would have a 20 game league schedule with each team playing 4 games (2H,2A) against the other Ivies. I could be wrong but I have a feeling there is more student and community interest for games when they play a fellow Ivy League school instead of when they play one of the non-Ivies. That also means two more NC games for each team, which could come in handy especially with all the NC games the western schools will be looking to fill each year and if Hockey East does add two teams that would free up five more NC games for each of those schools as well.
 
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I hadn't thought about that angle either, but it does make sense. However, the HEA is just as likely to explode as the ECAC, perhaps moreso, and we could be left with UML, Merrimack, etc. which to my eye is worse than CCT, SLU, etc.

Ralph, this has crossed my mind as well. I would agree with you that I would rather play our current rivals in an Empire State Conference, than with Hockey East leftovers in the event of the Big 4 + ND leaving. My thought was that the ECAC will likely never be a major conference ever again, where HE currently is. In the event that HE imploded, and RPI were on the outside looking in, RPI could attempt to rejoin the ECAC at a later date. (look at NMU)

As for the catalyst that could fracture Hockey East, I feel it would involve a major player stepping up. If a team like UConn or Syracuse stepped up, Hockey East would be foolish to turn them away. This would bloat the conference above 12 members, with enough power programs to break away and make an NCHC East. Outside of that I don't see much that could destablilze things. I am very confident that the Ivies are staying put for the time being....all of this speculation is just looking 20 miles down the road...
 
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Re: RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board

Sorry for the intrusion.....however, nice job Shirley!!!! Is it time to go? Also, the move to HE is a mute point if UND does not accept!!

UND was one of the founding members of the NCHC.

And you may have meant moot point.
 
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