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RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board

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Re: RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board

Jasma said:
18th is better than not ranked, which is where 30 something other teams are. On the rise means better than before, and that is certainly true of RPI. Union has made great strides, but let's see how they do without Nate Leaman. The loss of Kinkaid will also hurt them in the short term. If Rick Bennett can continue to recurit solid players and make them better, then Union will remain in the top 1/4 of the ECAC. If he can't help players improve the way they did when Leaman was there, they will drop quickly.
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Exactly. And when you ended in top 12-16 and start out at 18., that is not ON THE RISE.

Now because Merceyhurst or Sacred Heart did not get ranked it is a positive?

Union accomplished something out of the ashes, RPI to date has accomplished nothing. 5th and 6th reg season, worst relative performance in the entire league in tournament and losing to last and next to last placed teams is a flop/under performance.

No way anyone can say that the results point to a team on the rise. Union yes, RPI, no
 
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Hokydad said:
Hate to disagree with you but it is 3/4 who post 99.9% of the posts. Period

You are a very good contributor and write stuff RPI fans want to read. Did you notice the same 2/3 who took over the Hockey east thread and also try to take over the Union threads. Patronizing away to both

RPI is a very good program, a program that has limited if any success over past 25 years. If on the rise is 5th and 6th with immedioate first rd losses to lowest seeded team in league, than what is MC? The new BC? RPI is not on the rise until they win, period.

Union is on the rise. Out of total ashes, won the regular season crown and made the NCAA tourn for first time ever. Will be higher in league every year for the next several years.

When RPI wins, than they are on the rise. 6th to 5th and first rd loss to last placed team is not a RISE. Than losing first ncaa game 6-0 after backing in is not on the rise

Last year RPI was ranked around 15th in NCAA at end. They are starting out around 18 in polls, apparently the coaches etc dont see the rise. Union is ranked 11th...
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Just like the majority of fans in any sport of any league/level/etc, you are looking at the pure numbers and nothing more which is a mistake. Pretty much every coach, media analyst, and informed source agreed that RPI got put in crappy spots for both the ECAC tournament and the NCAA tournament; Colgate's record shows few wins in the 10-11 season, but they were a strong-skating team finding their footing and playing style, and that combined with motivation at the end is what caused them to take us out of the ECAC playoffs and get pretty far into them.

Yes, we lost the first round NCAA game to UND, but we played well against a team that was considered (for whatever reason) the untouchables of college hockey teams. We only let one goal in for the first and third periods and played very good defense, I'd say losing to a really good team in the first round after being in the tournament for the first time in 16 years is a pretty good start to being "on the rise". As for the national polls, we're starting out ranked 18th, last year we didn't even start out ranked if I remember correctly (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). This is also a good start to being "on the rise". Besides, as we all know, the initial polls don't really mean anything more than a slightly-informed conjecture as to what will happen.

Long story short, like anything else, you can't just look at the numbers and draw conclusions purely on that. It also depends on how you define success. Winning and bumping up your numbers is a nice part of success, but being better players, coming into your own style of play, and having strong character are also part of a success story, in which I'd say RPI's team last year was very highly successful.
 
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FreshFish said:
In other words, you don't care if you make any sense.

Grammar is a tool used to facilitate communication. It's too bad many teachers are unable to communicate how useful it really is.

The classic tools of communication are grammar (effective sentence), rhetoric (effective paragraph) and logic (effective argument).

It appears from your comment that you don't care about being effective at all in any of these three areas.....might one then infer that you are most interested in hearing yourself speak?
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Show me the logic in RPI's recent performance and how it points to a program on the rise. That is the only logic I care about.

Union heading up, RPI has gone backwards over the past 2 seasons, sideways at best.


6th to 5th and losing to dead last team in ECAC tournament is not a "rise"

2-7-1 over last 10 games and backing into NCAA only to get destroyed 6-0 in first game is not on the "RISE"

that is logic
 
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Hokydad said:
Did you notice the same 2/3 who took over the Hockey east thread and also try to take over the Union threads. Patronizing away to both
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Sort of how your dribble is starting to take over our thread... pot. kettle.
 
Re: RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board

Hokydad said:
Show me the logic in RPI's recent performance and how it points to a program on the rise. That is the only logic I care about.

Union heading up, RPI has gone backwards over the past 2 seasons, sideways at best.


6th to 5th and losing to dead last team in ECAC tournament is not a "rise"

2-7-1 over last 10 games and backing into NCAA only to get destroyed 6-0 in first game is not on the "RISE"

that is logic
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RPI's recent performance that points to the fact that we're on the rise:

- We made it to the NCAAs for the first time in 16 years
- We are higher-ranked than we have been at the start in recent times
- We had a strong winning season at 20 to 12, which is much better than some of the recent seasons that we have had

I could go on but you're going to just repeat what you said in previous posts, anyway.
 
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ibanezist00 said:
Just like the majority of fans in any sport of any league/level/etc, you are looking at the pure numbers and nothing more which is a mistake. Pretty much every coach, media analyst, and informed source agreed that RPI got put in crappy spots for both the ECAC tournament and the NCAA tournament; Colgate's record shows few wins in the 10-11 season, but they were a strong-skating team finding their footing and playing style, and that combined with motivation at the end is what caused them to take us out of the ECAC playoffs and get pretty far into them.

Yes, we lost the first round NCAA game to UND, but we played well against a team that was considered (for whatever reason) the untouchables of college hockey teams. We only let one goal in for the first and third periods and played very good defense, I'd say losing to a really good team in the first round after being in the tournament for the first time in 16 years is a pretty good start to being "on the rise". As for the national polls, we're starting out ranked 18th, last year we didn't even start out ranked if I remember correctly (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). This is also a good start to being "on the rise". Besides, as we all know, the initial polls don't really mean anything more than a slightly-informed conjecture as to what will happen.

Long story short, like anything else, you can't just look at the numbers and draw conclusions purely on that. It also depends on how you define success. Winning and bumping up your numbers is a nice part of success, but being better players, coming into your own style of play, and having strong character are also part of a success story, in which I'd say RPI's team last year was very highly successful.
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You sound like a great fan. Talk about an excuse maker though, holy ****

FYI, the 2nd period does count. First period is almost always a battle, ton of energy etc. 2nd is where it is settled, adjutments made and cream rises. With game out of hand, kids rest and 4th line logs big minutes

RPI was destroyed 6-0, zero positives out of that at that level.

Reason why Colgate aka dead last colgate looked good was because RPI made them look good

"motivation at the end"

Sounds like Colgate has the character and the coaching needed to take a program to the next level. From your posts, what jumps out immediatly is lack of adjustments.
 
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Hokydad said:
Union heading up, RPI has gone backwards over the past 2 seasons, sideways at best.
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RPI's winning percentages the past 3 seasons:

2008-2009: .282 (10-27-2)
2009-2010: .512 (18-17-4)
2010-2011: .592 (20-13-5)

Yep, increasing from year to year is certainly going backwards... :rolleyes:
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Yes, but did she have 5 numbers in play each time? ;)
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Nope-she is of the firm belief that if you are meant to win you can do it with one chip. Same theory for the Lottery-she will buy just one ticket. I try to increase my chances with multiple bets and of course all I do is lose more and faster.
 
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Hokydad said:
Union heading up, RPI has gone backwards over the past 2 seasons, sideways at best.

As far as I know, these are our win percentages for the past three seasons.
08-09: .282
09-10: .512
10-11: .592

How is that not an improvement over time?

EDIT: JCrawford, thanks for beating me to it :)
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Hokydad said:
RPI has gone backwards over the past 2 seasons, sideways at best.
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RPI records over the last four seasons:

2007-2008 season: 11-23-4 (.342)
2008-2009 season: 10-27-2 (.282)
2009-2010 season: 18-17-4 (.513)
2010-2011 season: 20-13-5 (.592)

20>18>10
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EDIT: Oh boy, two others beat me to this...
 
Re: RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board

Hokydad said:
Show me the logic in RPI's recent performance and how it points to a program on the rise. That is the only logic I care about.

Union heading up, RPI has gone backwards over the past 2 seasons, sideways at best.


6th to 5th and losing to dead last team in ECAC tournament is not a "rise"

2-7-1 over last 10 games and backing into NCAA only to get destroyed 6-0 in first game is not on the "RISE"

that is logic
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Union lost to that same dead last team in the ECAC tournament in the same number of games.
Union scored as many goals as RPI did in last year's NCAA tournament.

But don't let facts hinder your argument.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Union lost to that same dead last team in the ECAC tournament in the same number of games.
Union scored as many goals as RPI did in last year's NCAA tournament.

But don't let facts hinder your argument.
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This. I knew I forgot to point something out, thanks.

I have a feeling we're feeding a troll at this point...
 
Re: RPI 2011-12 Season: Posts on a Message Board

FreshFish said:
In other words, you don't care if you make any sense.

Grammar is a tool used to facilitate communication. It's too bad many teachers are unable to communicate how useful it really is.

The classic tools of communication are grammar (effective sentence), rhetoric (effective paragraph) and logic (effective argument).

It appears from your comment that you don't care about being effective at all in any of these three areas.....might one then infer that you are most interested in hearing yourself speak?
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Starting to think my first impression of FreshFish was thankfully wrong! Well done!

FlagDUDE08 said:
We are. However, if a bully is chasing you, sometimes you have to turn around and sock him in the nose.
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My belief in a nutshell. It's led some around here to call me a bully, but playa it don't FAZE me.
 
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DrDemento said:
Nope-she is of the firm belief that if you are meant to win you can do it with one chip. Same theory for the Lottery-she will buy just one ticket. I try to increase my chances with multiple bets and of course all I do is lose more and faster.
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OK. Only reason I asked is because if you get the $1 chips at roulette, you must bet in intervals of 5 (at most casinos, anyway). Typically, people will play 5 numbers with that.
 
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....and I thought the Yankees, Red Sox, and Braves games were entertaining last night!!!!:)
 
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Union won their first rd ECAC tournament series, RPI did not
Union won ECAC regular season crown, RPI finished 6th
Union was randed top 10 in country, RPI backed into ncaa playoffs going 2-7-1 in last 10 games


Union on rise, RPI not
 
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