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RPI 2011-12 Part V: Don't Stop Believing

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troyboy said:
"We certainly were not trying to overthrow any system or structure, and neither were the coaches,” Kelly wrote. “However, the coaches did deserve to have their views and vision for what College Hockey, Inc. could and should be properly addressed at the April convention. It appears from recent events that the Commissioners would rather not have this issue raised for legitimate discussion and deliberation.

Wodon got reaction from a few veteran college hockey coaches and Steve Hagwell, ECAC commissioner and president of the Hockey Commissioners Association, on this situation, but did not speak with Kelly.

These are quotes from that article.Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Steve Hagwell doing things in the dark w/no explination and Adam Woden getting half the story who woulda thunk !!!!w

May also shed some light on the beef Shagwell has w/SA thus RPI.My understanding is he is one of the driving forces in College Hockey Inc.and I believe past president.Would love to hear from my conspiricy theory expert ADad.Well was going to spend the rest of the evening reading college hockey news but Im going to skip and read the National Enquirer much more infomative !!!!
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Well said Bro. I did see this earlier today. I'm sure that Paul Stewart's hand was in on this one. Why would we want to improve the game, we just want to protect fiefdoms of Stewart and Hagwell. The lack of transparency that shrouds the ECAC seems to also permeate this situation. The league (s) would rather bureacracy rather than autonomy and better competition. TB, as you know I was the first one to report the bias that the league had toward Appert (confirmed by unfortunate comment by Stewart), be assured that I will follow this situation closely and report back.
 
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“Having commonly five conferences, soon to be six conferences, and you may one day have the Ivy League spinning out for seven conferences, what you get is very parochial interests,” Kelly said.

This quote is from the article that RH brought to the table. Can anyone say Hockey East?
 
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You guys played a smart game tonight and deserved the win. Why are you in 11th.. or whatever place, in the league?

Could be - if we have another performance like tonight vs. the Dutchmen - we might see you next weekend back at Starr...
 
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ColSkate65 said:
You guys played a smart game tonight and deserved the win. Why are you in 11th.. or whatever place, in the league?

Could be - if we have another performance like tonight vs. the Dutchmen - we might see you next weekend back at Starr...
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We were fortunate-we took 11 penalties and that normally is our undoing. But special teams actually saved us for a change. Tomorrow should be very interesting as we played fairly well at home against Cornell-but they have a lot more at stake than we do now. Hopefully we are putting a little something together to help us next weekend.
 
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RPI is in 11th place because they went 0-8 against Union, Clarkson, Quinnipiac, and Princeton.

Against everybody else, they're 6-4-3.
 
AspyDad said:
“Having commonly five conferences, soon to be six conferences, and you may one day have the Ivy League spinning out for seven conferences, what you get is very parochial interests,” Kelly said.

This quote is from the article that RH brought to the table. Can anyone say Hockey East?
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I was wondering if anyone else say that comment by Kelly on the Ivys possibly spinning out....I wouldn't have thought that would be something that just gets mentioned unless there was at least some talk about it. Wow.
 
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AspyDad said:
Well said Bro. I did see this earlier today. I'm sure that Paul Stewart's hand was in on this one. Why would we want to improve the game, we just want to protect fiefdoms of Stewart and Hagwell. The lack of transparency that shrouds the ECAC seems to also permeate this situation. The league (s) would rather bureacracy rather than autonomy and better competition. TB, as you know I was the first one to report the bias that the league had toward Appert (confirmed by unfortunate comment by Stewart), be assured that I will follow this situation closely and report back.
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AspyDad and I are offering a reward for any information linking Ken Schott to this affair.
 
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Senna said:
I was wondering if anyone else say that comment by Kelly on the Ivys possibly spinning out....I wouldn't have thought that would be something that just gets mentioned unless there was at least some talk about it. Wow.
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That quote by Kelly caught my eye as well. As far as I can remember, I believe thats one of the first times Ive seen anything in print about the possibility of the Ivys spinning out their own league someday. JMO but I have a feeling that the ECAC isnt one big happy family at the moment and that theres a real chance we could see some changes coming in the future.

Also during the first intermission of the Time Warner broadcast last night they interviewed the Colgate athletic director to talk about Patriot League sports. Something he brought up besides the news that the football members can start using athletic scholarships beginning in 2013, is that the league is looking to expand by a couple members to round out numbers to make scheduling easier, etc... I know its been talked about before here but what do you think, should/could RPI look to make the jump and be in the Patriot League with American, Army, Bucknell, Colgate, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh and Navy? The football conference would look a little different (Bucknell, Colgate, Fordham, Georgetown, Holy Cross, Lafayette and Lehigh)
 
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redhead18 said:
That quote by Kelly caught my eye as well. As far as I can remember, I believe thats one of the first times Ive seen anything in print about the possibility of the Ivys spinning out their own league someday. JMO but I have a feeling that the ECAC isnt one big happy family at the moment and that theres a real chance we could see some changes coming in the future.

Also during the first intermission of the Time Warner broadcast last night they interviewed the Colgate athletic director to talk about Patriot League sports. Something he brought up besides the news that the football members can start using athletic scholarships beginning in 2013, is that the league is looking to expand by a couple members to round out numbers to make scheduling easier, etc... I know its been talked about before here but what do you think, should/could RPI look to make the jump and be in the Patriot League with American, Army, Bucknell, Colgate, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh and Navy? The football conference would look a little different (Bucknell, Colgate, Fordham, Georgetown, Holy Cross, Lafayette and Lehigh)
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As we have indeed said before, the Patriot League is the only D-I league that would make sense. I don't think however that it will happen, especially with football scholarships. That would be quite expensive.
 
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I forget who keeps posting about the RPI@Cornell game that Kotyra infamously officiated.

It was game 2 of the second round of the ECAC playoffs. RPI ended the season with a poor record at #11 in the ECAC. But as the playoffs began they had beaten #6 Dartmouth on the road in two games, then had taken the first of the quarterfinal series against #2 Cornell. After that loss, Cornell coach Mike Schafer went off on a tirade over the officiating and was given a one game suspension. And his whining was well rewarded with... this: http://collegehockeystats.net/0809/boxes/mcorren1.m14

Rensselaer 0 0 0 = 0 5 3 1 = 9 19-41 0-5
Cornell 1 2 1 = 4 18 25 13 = 56 9-18 3-18

That's right. Cornell had 18 power plays.

Cornell had seven discreet 5x3 opportunities, covering 5:17 of game time, and it could have been longer had they not scored on two of them. I remember the game. It was RIDICULOUS.

The next night a valiant RPI rally fell short and they lost the tiebreaker 3-4. Thanks to Kotyra's heroic stand, Cornell was able to move on and lose to #1 Yale in the ECAC finals. Cornell was then invited to the NCAA tournament where they lost in the second round.
 
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redhead18 said:
Also during the first intermission of the Time Warner broadcast last night they interviewed the Colgate athletic director to talk about Patriot League sports. Something he brought up besides the news that the football members can start using athletic scholarships beginning in 2013, is that the league is looking to expand by a couple members to round out numbers to make scheduling easier, etc... I know its been talked about before here but what do you think, should/could RPI look to make the jump and be in the Patriot League with American, Army, Bucknell, Colgate, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh and Navy? The football conference would look a little different (Bucknell, Colgate, Fordham, Georgetown, Holy Cross, Lafayette and Lehigh)
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A couple of things with this. I've been an advocate of making this move for the last six years or so, but the football scholarship issue changes a lot. Given that football is easily the second most important sport at the school, you'd think the school would likely end up funding football scholarships if the move were to happen. That throws Title IX askew considerably (although, at RPI the ratio helps a little here) and probably results in some men's sports being cut, or at least there would be few other men's sports offering scholarships and therefore probably not competing well.

Additionally, the NCAA decided to throw another roadblock up for D-III schools that seek to change divisions. I forget how long it was (four years, maybe?) but to move from D-III to D-I, you first have to spend time in D-II, which in New York is an awful place to be - for RPI especially, since D-II schools around here do not fit well (although we could have a temporary local rival in St. Rose).

I think RPI, as an academic institution, fits in far better with the schools of the Patriot League than it does with schools of the Liberty League, but these two developments make the move really, really difficult. If we'd pulled the trigger five years ago, before the D-I moratorium and the football scholarships, it could have been a perfect fit.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
As we have indeed said before, the Patriot League is the only D-I league that would make sense. I don't think however that it will happen, especially with football scholarships. That would be quite expensive.
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realet said:
A couple of things with this. I've been an advocate of making this move for the last six years or so, but the football scholarship issue changes a lot. Given that football is easily the second most important sport at the school, you'd think the school would likely end up funding football scholarships if the move were to happen. That throws Title IX askew considerably (although, at RPI the ratio helps a little here) and probably results in some men's sports being cut, or at least there would be few other men's sports offering scholarships and therefore probably not competing well.

Additionally, the NCAA decided to throw another roadblock up for D-III schools that seek to change divisions. I forget how long it was (four years, maybe?) but to move from D-III to D-I, you first have to spend time in D-II, which in New York is an awful place to be - for RPI especially, since D-II schools around here do not fit well (although we could have a temporary local rival in St. Rose).

I think RPI, as an academic institution, fits in far better with the schools of the Patriot League than it does with schools of the Liberty League, but these two developments make the move really, really difficult. If we'd pulled the trigger five years ago, before the D-I moratorium and the football scholarships, it could have been a perfect fit.
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Kinda what I thought, that would be a ton of scholarships and a lot of $$$.
 
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Waite21 said:
RPI is in 11th place because they went 0-8 against Union, Clarkson, Quinnipiac, and Princeton.

Against everybody else, they're 6-4-3.
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Aptly stated-if we found a way to play better against 3 of those 4-I can only imagine what our seeding would be for the playoffs.
 
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realet said:
A couple of things with this. I've been an advocate of making this move for the last six years or so, but the football scholarship issue changes a lot. Given that football is easily the second most important sport at the school, you'd think the school would likely end up funding football scholarships if the move were to happen. That throws Title IX askew considerably (although, at RPI the ratio helps a little here) and probably results in some men's sports being cut, or at least there would be few other men's sports offering scholarships and therefore probably not competing well.

Additionally, the NCAA decided to throw another roadblock up for D-III schools that seek to change divisions. I forget how long it was (four years, maybe?) but to move from D-III to D-I, you first have to spend time in D-II, which in New York is an awful place to be - for RPI especially, since D-II schools around here do not fit well (although we could have a temporary local rival in St. Rose).

I think RPI, as an academic institution, fits in far better with the schools of the Patriot League than it does with schools of the Liberty League, but these two developments make the move really, really difficult. If we'd pulled the trigger five years ago, before the D-I moratorium and the football scholarships, it could have been a perfect fit.
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I remember hearing it was 9 years at D-II, 5 years at D-I without playoff status, but that could have been during the moratorium.
 
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