RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

I respectfully disagree Ralph. If that was the case, Cornell would be at the bottom of the league year after year! Does that mean being offensive minded in the defensive zone? I think that is a very dangerous concept for a team to adopt.

We don't have the talent to do that.

 

[hockeymascot]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

We don't have the talent to do that.

Being offensive minded in the defensive zone has nothing to do with offensive talent. If the other team has the puck, how does offensive talent enter into it? You still have to be good defensively in order to get the puck back. I have seen talented players who play a solid defensive game and I have seen less talented players be real strong in their own zone with or without the puck. I have also seen talented players who want nothing to do with playing defensively!!

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

Being offensive minded in the defensive zone has nothing to do with offensive talent. If the other team has the puck, how does offensive talent enter into it? You still have to be good defensively in order to get the puck back. I have seen talented players who play a solid defensive game and I have seen less talented players be real strong in their own zone with or without the puck. I have also seen talented players who want nothing to do with playing defensively!!

Don't bring Croxton into this discussion!

OK, question along these lines: How many of our GA were the result of a stupid turnover resulting in an odd-man rush or break? And how many were because the other team was able to work the puck in the zone and get a goal? I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio is about 3 to 1.

 

[ibanezist00]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

I'm back after a several week hiatus, happy belated holidays everyone. Sorry to abandon the thread; was busy with family events, and watching the Rangers dominate in the NHL.

What did I miss besides the usual off-topicness and bitterness? Anything? Bueller?

Looking forward to Friday night, especially being on national TV! Maybe we can see our defense get back together a little bit, since the scoring problem seems on its way to being solved. I'm not going to over-analyze things, instead I'll just say it's obvious our defense has fallen apart at the expense of gained offensive push.

I want at least one win this weekend. Go red.

 

[burgie12]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

I want at least one win this weekend. Go red.

Does Tuesday count as the weekend?

 

[turk181]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

just a reminder that Friday's game vs Dartmouth is a 7:30 start time.

 

[redhead18]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

Came across an interesting article that was in the NY Times a few weeks ago regarding Ivy League recruiting and since theres a pair of Ivy League teams coming to Troy this weekend, I thought Id bring it up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/23/s...eams-in-ivies-rise.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hpw

 

[FreshFish]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

To a certain extent, some of the hand-wringing I've read here lately seems a bit over-wrought. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. What matters now is the response to adversity, not complaints about the existence of adversity.

As long as we see intelligent engaged team play I'll be content no matter what the record is. Every team, every program, goes through cycles. Assuming the team has character and 'moxie' and talent, we'll emerge next year as a strong competitive team again.

No more [public] complaining about the referees (just play so well that bad calls will become inconsequential! *), no more focus on winning or losing, concentrate on what is right in front of you and be alert and engaged and energized.




* of course bad calls do matter, it is how you react publicly that demonstrates your character.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

To a certain extent, some of the hand-wringing I've read here lately seems a bit over-wrought. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. What matters now is the response to adversity, not complaints about the existence of adversity.

As long as we see intelligent engaged team play I'll be content no matter what the record is. Every team, every program, goes through cycles. Assuming the team has character and 'moxie' and talent, we'll emerge next year as a strong competitive team again.

No more [public] complaining about the referees (just play so well that bad calls will become inconsequential! *), no more focus on winning or losing, concentrate on what is right in front of you and be alert and engaged and energized.




* of course bad calls do matter, it is how you react publicly that demonstrates your character.

The adversity showed up in November. We've seen in the past month how they've responded. Quite frankly, there are a number of times when the team has put across a notion that they aren't playing as hard as we'd like to see (whether or not it's a façade, I realize there are also times when it seems like they're trying TOO hard and not just having fun playing an enjoyable game). If the other team beat us by simply outworking our defense in the zone and we made them earn the win, I'd be content. However, when it's handed to them on a silver platter (read: MSU-M, Q-Pac, you could probably throw Army in there as well), that's where we're complaining.

 

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

So the choice is between losing 2-0 and losing 5-2?

Not quite-Losing 2-1 or losing 6-5 perhaps Personally I prefer the way we were playing earlier in the season-I felt we were competitive for most of the 60 minutes.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

The adversity showed up in November. We've seen in the past month how they've responded. Quite frankly, there are a number of times when the team has put across a notion that they aren't playing as hard as we'd like to see (whether or not it's a façade, I realize there are also times when it seems like they're trying TOO hard and not just having fun playing an enjoyable game). If the other team beat us by simply outworking our defense in the zone and we made them earn the win, I'd be content. However, when it's handed to them on a silver platter (read: MSU-M, Q-Pac, you could probably throw Army in there as well), that's where we're complaining.

From what I've seen, partly to which you allude as well, is that there are times in which we are 'over-thinking' what we are doing during games. Also, we have a significant portion of the roster that is playing now at a higher, more intense level than they have ever played at before. It seems to me that people discount just how much energy it takes to be mentally engaged! From time to time the gas tank runs on empty, more from mental fatigue than physical fatigue. As long as the coaches and players maintain an air of dogged determination, I'll be okay with it. If you make a stupid mistake and throw up your hands, that's no good. If you make a stupid mistake and then scramble to recover, that's okay, as long as you don't keep making that same stupid mistake over and over (it seems to me we are seeing different kinds of stupid mistakes, not the same stupid mistake, for example. Maybe you have to make every kind of stupid mistake possible in order to learn??).

There is a big difference between 'giving up' and 'mentally re-booting due to temporary overload.' (remember the old 'buffer full' warning when you would type too fast for your CPU to handle? well, okay YOU probably don't remember the days when PCs had no hard drive and you used floppy disks to load the operating system each time you turned it on....)

While the adversity 'hit' in November, it's after-effects still linger....just like even after you recover physically from an injury or illness, you still have to get back into game shape mentally as well.

Kind of funny; when I posted a detailed list of problem areas I saw, I was hassled for being critical, and now when I say 'relax the critical attitude and put things in perspective for the long-term' I'm hassled from the other direction so to speak.

 

[JCrawford]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

just a reminder that Friday's game vs Dartmouth is a 7:30 start time.

SHHHHH! Don't tell anybody! If people still think the game is at 7, then everybody will actually be in their seat by the time the puck drops!

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

Not quite-Losing 2-1 or losing 6-5 perhaps Personally I prefer the way we were playing earlier in the season-I felt we were competitive for most of the 60 minutes.

Exactly. We were in the games and had a chance to win right up to the final buzzer. Lately, that has not been the case.
The crazy thing is that we still have 15 conference games. If we can get it straight, we can still get to the middle of the pack. And if we go into the playoffs on a roll, anything can happen.
I am not ready to give up on this season yet, but the turn around has to start this weekend.

 

[hockeymascot]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

From what I've seen, partly to which you allude as well, is that there are times in which we are 'over-thinking' what we are doing during games. Also, we have a significant portion of the roster that is playing now at a higher, more intense level than they have ever played at before. If you make a stupid mistake and then scramble to recover, that's okay, as long as you don't keep making that same stupid mistake over and over (it seems to me we are seeing different kinds of stupid mistakes, not the same stupid mistake, for example. Maybe you have to make every kind of stupid mistake possible in order to learn??).[/COLOR]

Every team has players that are playing at a higher level than before - so what? As much as I try to understand what you are posting, you lose me. How many stupid mistakes have you identified in a hockey game that a player can make and how do you know that a player isn't making the same stupid mistake unless you are logging the info. Since you speak about pounding too fast on a computer keyboard, maybe you are trying to apply being a computer geek to a hockey player which does not compute!!

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

From what I've seen, partly to which you allude as well, is that there are times in which we are 'over-thinking' what we are doing during games. Also, we have a significant portion of the roster that is playing now at a higher, more intense level than they have ever played at before. It seems to me that people discount just how much energy it takes to be mentally engaged! From time to time the gas tank runs on empty, more from mental fatigue than physical fatigue. As long as the coaches and players maintain an air of dogged determination, I'll be okay with it. If you make a stupid mistake and throw up your hands, that's no good. If you make a stupid mistake and then scramble to recover, that's okay, as long as you don't keep making that same stupid mistake over and over (it seems to me we are seeing different kinds of stupid mistakes, not the same stupid mistake, for example. Maybe you have to make every kind of stupid mistake possible in order to learn??).

The same person made the same stupid mistake between MSU-M and Q-Pac. Two months too much? How about the same mistake THE NIGHT BEFORE leading to an ENG in the Princeton game?

There is a big difference between 'giving up' and 'mentally re-booting due to temporary overload.' (remember the old 'buffer full' warning when you would type too fast for your CPU to handle? well, okay YOU probably don't remember the days when PCs had no hard drive and you used floppy disks to load the operating system each time you turned it on....)

There is a big difference, so explain the first Union game, specifically the third period. Heck, throw the Clarkson game in there as well. And I do recall how the Apple IIe worked. Heck, I still have Commodores!

While the adversity 'hit' in November, it's after-effects still linger....just like even after you recover physically from an injury or illness, you still have to get back into game shape mentally as well.

Kind of funny; when I posted a detailed list of problem areas I saw, I was hassled for being critical, and now when I say 'relax the critical attitude and put things in perspective for the long-term' I'm hassled from the other direction so to speak.

Those after-effects certainly lingered during that RIT game...

 

[FreshFish]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

The same person made the same stupid mistake between MSU-M and Q-Pac. ..... How about the same mistake THE NIGHT BEFORE leading to an ENG in the Princeton game?

As I said, if the same people are making the same stupid mistakes, then that definitely is a problem. There is no argument here as I initially started with 'as long as people are NOT repeating the same stupied mistake." If one makes a hypothetical that does not apply, there is no point in discussing the conclusions since they are bound to be invalid from the get-go.

It does get confusing when there are too many 'if's floating around ... too easy for people to lose track of which hypothetical they are currently referencing!

 

[FreshFish]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

Every team has players that are playing at a higher level than before - so what?

ah., but what proportion of the overall team is new? teams that blend experience with fresh blood generally have different outcomes than teams that lose nearly all of their leaders at once, as it inevitably takes time for new leaders to develop. It is much different developing new leaders as they mature compared to developing an entire corp of new leadership from scratch.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

The crazy thing is that we still have 15 conference games. If we can get it straight, we can still get to the middle of the pack. And if we go into the playoffs on a roll, anything can happen.

I am not ready to give up on this season yet, but the turn around has to start this weekend.

yes, you expressed what I was trying to say quite succinctly.

 

[HighlanderRPI]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

Think I'll just let him talk to himself. Don't know how asking someone to speak slanderous words to my face rather than behind a computer constitutes an invitation to fight, but I guess it makes sense to him.

Technically, it's libelous until he actually says it to your face or someone else

YU FEED TROLLS?

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

Mike Emerick in promoting the game Friday between Dartmouth and RPI referred to us as the Red Hawks.
How does that sort of thing happen? Doc knows better.