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RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

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I hardly ever post here, but I'm doing so to call attention to my new signature, which I calculated after my return to my parents' place (my winter holiday home) from UConn this evening. At this point, I think we can safely conclude, statistically, that it's all my fault.

(The win, if you're curious, was over Michigan at the GLI. That's the game that's had to keep me warm for nearly six ****ing years and counting.)
 
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How do we know they are a "weaker" team? As a program we're definitely among the greatest in ECAC Hockey history. Right up there with Cornell, Harvard, and Clarkson. We're the big 4. But how can we know that we're not weaker than Army this year when we didn't prove it tonight? Btw Seth's comment to Jason Klump disturbed me. He mentioned that he is finally gonna take control over the team now. What was he seriously doing during the first half? I understand the importance of senior leadership, but he should be the one running the team and calling the shots, not the captains.
 
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I don't think it was as a bad a loss as some might think. Army played the same way they play every game - pack it in tight, stay close and hope for a good bounce. Check their record, they've done the same thing to about 7 or 8 other teams. I saw them earlier in the year against Merrimack and yesterday's game was almost a replay of that one except that Army got the final goal against us.

Other thoughts:
  • Coach confirmed my impressions of the D on Thursday with his choice of benchings.
  • Leonard really impressed me yesterday. He can skate.
  • Dolan call was phantom as reported
  • Our passing is awful. Even on easy passes with clear looks both Bergin and Bailen often can't put the puck on their teammates forehand. At one point Bailen was skating right to left across the offensive blue line looked right at the left D, turned right, glided about 6 feet into the zone and then passed it back to the backhand of the left d - from 10 feet away. Saw a very easy breakout pass up the wing to a wide open LW put about 6 feet behind the winger and told my 10 year old son that I would have been disappointed if he had made a smiilar play in a squirt game.
  • Switch the goalies and we win that game about 5-1
  • May seem counterinuitive but the goalie wasn't the problem on Thursday but might have been on Friday.
  • Not to harp on the passing thing but this is part of the reason why we can't finish. Rogic's miss was a bouncing puck which he still should have buried but a better pass and it's an easy finish. My center on Friday morning would have put that right on my tape (of course he played on a certain team in 1985;)!)
  • We are all speed and no finesse right now. Best play sequence of the game was when Bailen gained the blue line and slowed to a near stop. This opened up a gap as the d backed in with the RPI wingers. When an Army D did step up, Bailen dropped the puck to a trailing RPI forward who then had a clean path to the slot. The RPI puck carriers need to do this more often. 99 times out of 100 we go straight to the net at full speed which is essentially the drill that all defensemen practice from the age of 7. Mix it up boys.
There's no question to me that we have talent and things will get better.
 
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Btw Seth's comment to Jason Klump disturbed me. He mentioned that he is finally gonna take control over the team now. What was he seriously doing during the first half? I understand the importance of senior leadership, but he should be the one running the team and calling the shots, not the captains.

It is a management/coaching style that is adopted and used by all of Gwozdecky disciples. Blasi at Miami also uses this style, as well as Blashill etc. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't as it really depends on the leadership within the team.
 
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It is a management/coaching style that is adopted and used by all of Gwozdecky disciples. Blasi at Miami also uses this style, as well as Blashill etc. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't as it really depends on the leadership within the team.

That is the most depressing thing I have heard all year.
I understand the coaching style. But do you have to wait for a 3-15 record to take control?
The offense is still not scoring more than 2 goals a game, the defense went on vacation and now the goal tending is out to lunch.
Did he have to wait until nothing was working to take control?
Friday, we are on national tv. I can't wait to hear how the announcers are going to spin our record. Injuries? young team? We have already used those things up.
I really believe that we have talent on this team, but they are running out of time to prove it.
Losing to Army has to be the low point of the season.
2012 Starts tomorrow, I hop that we will be ready for it.
 
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From what I can tell, this team appears to be getting worse, not better and folds at the first mistake or tough call from the officials
Interesting to hear what people thought of Bergin this weekend because I think he may be one of the main problems. He has been awful in most of the games I have seen. He gives up the puck constantly, takes too many bad penalties and talks and baits the opponents non- stop.
Maybe Coachhas finally seen Enough and taking over the team means that the C will not be on Bergin's sweater from here on out.
 
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There's no question to me that we have talent and things will get better.

+1 - You hit the nail on the head. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed these things, ie horrible passing. It's depressing to watch - but you can see the talent, which makes it even more frustrating to watch.
 
I agree too. We have the talent but unfortuntely we don't have the coaching. I don't like saying that but its true. SA lacks the coaching skills on how to use the players effectively. The players are afraid to make mistakes in fear of retaliation. At least somne of the players are. He clearly has his favorites who will continue to play no matter hoe many errors they make. Bailen is a very good player but unfortuntely SA has lost him by trying to conform him to his system instead of allowing Bailen to play to his strength.
Hockey is a team sport and not everyone scores. But they are just effective on the ice.
The team is not playing as a team and that is a direct reflection of coaching.
Don't get me wrong because I like SA, but he is in over his head right now. He has a talented group of young men and its not entirely their fault the season so far is dismal.
Yes, I think they change the season around, but SA needs to start thinking more out of the box. His system isn't working.
Doesn't meam he failed. It means that he has to be open for change. Put a player that can score, assist and hit on each line.
At this point what do we have to lose. Putting what he feel are 3 scorers on the same line isn't working.
Best of luck to SA and the team


+1 - You hit the nail on the head. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed these things, ie horrible passing. It's depressing to watch - but you can see the talent, which makes it even more frustrating to watch.
 
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  • May seem counterinuitive but the goalie wasn't the problem on Thursday but might have been on Friday.

Wanted to highlight this. Looking at the scoresheet 7 and 3 obviously look very different but there was a major difference in what happened Thursday and what happened Friday as far as who was leading the defensive efforts.
 
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Interesting to hear what people thought of Bergin this weekend because I think he may be one of the main problems. He has been awful in most of the games I have seen. He gives up the puck constantly, takes too many bad penalties and talks and baits the opponents non- stop.
Maybe Coachhas finally seen Enough and taking over the team means that the C will not be on Bergin's sweater from here on out.

I have to agree. I told a friend on Thursday when I saw the lineup (which I liked and, other than the defensive issues, I still like) that the only way Appert could have been gutsier with it would have been to sit Bergin and put Dolan out there instead. I realize he's got the C, but most nights he feels like a liability more than anything. He's been a solid contributor over the last two seasons but I've lost track of the number of times he's put himself in bad situations, whether that's taking a foolish penalty or blowing a defensive assignment. At this point I almost hope he's ready to move on after the season's over (rather than use his redshirt season) and let Dallas try to figure him out.

I think Dolan's done a solid job overall this season - he's not the most talented blueliner or anything, but he's got a lot of hustle, is growing into the game nicely, and has a lot fewer defensive blunders than some of his teammates.

Leonard had some early bumps but wow has he ever settled in. Have to keep reminding myself that he is a freshman. Curadi seems to be on his way to the same stature although he still has a little more work to do. Almost night and day from early in the season.

The other defenseman I'd like to mention is Bailen. You can't sit him for obvious reasons - he's still an integral part of the offensive structure given the fact that he's still leading the team in scoring. I kind of wonder if he really needs to play that role, however. He's a tremendously talented guy, the best combination of experience and talent on the team right now. Problem is, he seems to be trying to be everything for everyone, almost like he's trying to do too much. My advice for him would be to relax a little and focus on making the defense work. Save the offense for power plays. I don't think the Brutlag solution works here, not only because we have only seven D-men on the roster but because when he's on, he's a very solid balance. I like to say that if he were in baseball, you'd call him a 5-tool player. He's not afraid to be physical, he's got speed, he's got a great shot, and (last year anyway) gives you solid defense. I know that's only four tools, but this is hockey. :) He can't solve all of the team's ills by himself, so let's get him taking charge on the defensive end.
 
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I agree too. We have the talent but unfortuntely we don't have the coaching. I don't like saying that but its true. SA lacks the coaching skills on how to use the players effectively. The players are afraid to make mistakes in fear of retaliation. At least somne of the players are. He clearly has his favorites who will continue to play no matter hoe many errors they make. Bailen is a very good player but unfortuntely SA has lost him by trying to conform him to his system instead of allowing Bailen to play to his strength.
Hockey is a team sport and not everyone scores. But they are just effective on the ice.
The team is not playing as a team and that is a direct reflection of coaching.
Don't get me wrong because I like SA, but he is in over his head right now. He has a talented group of young men and its not entirely their fault the season so far is dismal.
Yes, I think they change the season around, but SA needs to start thinking more out of the box. His system isn't working.
Doesn't meam he failed. It means that he has to be open for change. Put a player that can score, assist and hit on each line.
At this point what do we have to lose. Putting what he feel are 3 scorers on the same line isn't working.
Best of luck to SA and the team

I think I see the same data you see and interpret it a bit differently. You are right that Coach Appert is still growing into his head coaching career. He had a system that worked quite effectively up to a point and worked pretty well last year. Everyone encounters adversity sometime and it is a test for him to see how he responds. I would disagree with the characterization that he is 'in over his head' for example; I would agree that what is happening now is new to him and he is still formulating his response. I also agree that it is not entirely the players' 'fault' that the season so far is dismal; however, I generally find the whole concept of 'fault' to be alien to winning teams and successful programs. Coach Appert clearly is asserting responsibility for the team's performance.

I wonder how much of the problem lies with the assistant coaches? Are the players getting a co-ordinated message across all fronts? There are plenty of other speculative questions I might ask except I would be way out of my depth. Also, ultimately, the performance of the coaching staff is the responsibility of the head coach as well.

There are cycles for all teams. Maybe 2011-2012 ---> 2012-2013 for us will be similar to 2010-2011 ---> 2011-2012 for Colgate, for example.
 
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Oh, by the way, I'm not sure how many people are interested in a chance to win an RPI jersey by entering the "guess the top ten teams" contest at http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/Predict_the_top_10.html. Based on the formula it seems pretty clear to me that the '85 RPI team will be one of the top four. My shortcut system was only to look at half his formula, which is a combination of winning percentage, winning regular season conference title, winning conference championship, and winning games against other tournament teams. I just cross-referenced NCAA tournament winners' winning percentage against conference finishes and for some teams looked at how many other tournament teams they beat during their season. It only took about 20 minutes.

I mention it here partly because we have a lot of weekend readers (deadline is 8 AM EST Jan 1 2012), partly because he only needs three more entries for the contest to pay out the winner's prize in the first place, and partly because '85 RPI should (by my reckoning) score pretty highly. I only see two or three teams that likely would be ranked higher.

Happy New Year everyone and 'see' you next year!
 
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Enjoy a Happy New Year, everyone!
New year is a great time for a fresh start.

See you at HFH on Friday v. Dartmouth.
 
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I wonder how much of the problem lies with the assistant coaches? Are the players getting a co-ordinated message across all fronts?

I have been wondering this too, specifically with respect to the defense. The team has assistant coach Vines and volunteer assistant Modry. I know almost nothing about the backgrounds and playing styles of either, or how well they match with each other. Where there are any differences/conflicts in approach and instruction to the RPI defense, I hope Appert has clearly declared how to proceed.
 
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[*]May seem counterinuitive but the goalie wasn't the problem on Thursday but might have been on Friday.

At this point in the season, Diebold should be the #1 goalie and start every game. However, too many defensive errors / breakdowns certainly does not help when people and pucks are not being cleared out from in front by the D.

Is there a risk of playing Diebold the rest of the season vis a vis it causing confidence issues over the next three years if they stay on a losing skid?
 
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At this point in the season, Diebold should be the #1 goalie and start every game. However, too many defensive errors / breakdowns certainly does not help when people and pucks are not being cleared out from in front by the D.

Is there a risk of playing Diebold the rest of the season vis a vis it causing confidence issues over the next three years if they stay on a losing skid?
There are always risks, and it clearly depends a lot upon his confidence in his own ability. Not knowing him, I can't comment. I do suspect that all goalies have their ups and downs.
 
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Wow do I hate having the area code where I live remind me of the team's record... granted I wouldn't mind all that much if it were March... ;)

Yesterday was SO evident that Bailen was just trying way too hard. The breaking of the glass almost was an emphasis of that.
 
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As Jenny and I head out for New Years eve-we just want to take this opportunity to wish all of those who post here and especially those that we have met- a Happy and Healthy New Year. We also hope that with the New year begins a new season for our beloved hockey team. Let's Go Red!! and a happy 2012 to all.
 
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