RPI 2010 Off-season thread V: Captain Kennedy and the A-Team

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-season thread V: Captain Kennedy and the A-Team

Hockey's Future thread on Pirri signing http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=812428.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-season thread V: Captain Kennedy and the A-Team

Pirri 1st round and D'Amigo 7th round? Well, at least the average is correct...

In any case, I think there may be some that have hit the panic button, but in the long run, I'm OK with whatever the players choose to do. We still have plenty of other players that can contribute. I'm sure they will step up their game.

My vote is now for a 6th off-season thread.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Good thing you aren't doing pregame talks to the players in the lockerroom !

Check your sarcasm meter. Explanation: The guy that covers Union for USCHO also runs a blog, and after both D'Amigo and Pirri left he described it as "great news" for Union fans. I mean, never mind that RPI accounts for only 3 of their 36 games, and all before mid-November. Pressed, he also included the Leblanc and Nash signings as good for Union. The kid runs an interesting blog, but a claim like that is so silly it deserves ridicule.

Scott Fleming has a toothache? GREAT NEWS FOR UNION!

What we don't know (and yes, RC, I know that it is none of my business), is how he did in class. IIRC, he was one of the few RPI players not to make the ECAC All-Academic team.

I made the Dean's List once at RPI and I graduated without drama. If he was an average student, I honestly don't care. if he was a poor student we would have known about it because he wouldn't have even been eligible to play.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-season thread V: Captain Kennedy and the A-Team

Pirri 1st round and D'Amigo 7th round? Well, at least the average is correct...

In any case, I think there may be some that have hit the panic button, but in the long run, I'm OK with whatever the players choose to do. We still have plenty of other players that can contribute. I'm sure they will step up their game.

My vote is now for a 6th off-season thread.

I have number 6 ready to roll although I will change the title if something that seems better is suggested.

I was also thinking that a title mentioning or alluding to Beauregard or Harkenrider might be good, since it wouldn't hurt as much if either were to leave.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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I made the Dean's List once at RPI and I graduated without drama. If he was an average student, I honestly don't care. if he was a poor student we would have known about it because he wouldn't have even been eligible to play.

I wrote that I knew it was none of my business. That doesn't mean that it may not have been part of the story. The end.

BTW, I also graduated without drama. I don't even think that RPI had a course in drama, unless you count the RPI Players.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-season thread V: Captain Kennedy and the A-Team

Check your sarcasm meter. Explanation: The guy that covers Union for USCHO also runs a blog, and after both D'Amigo and Pirri left he described it as "great news" for Union fans. I mean, never mind that RPI accounts for only 3 of their 36 games, and all before mid-November. Pressed, he also included the Leblanc and Nash signings as good for Union. The kid runs an interesting blog, but a claim like that is so silly it deserves ridicule.

Does this blogger also post on here and have in his signature the Russian word for "yes" about five times?

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Does this blogger also post on here and have in his signature the Russian word for "yes" about five times?

I thought that guy was crying for his father. (I don't know if he is the blogger, but suspect not.)

 

[Red Cloud]

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I wrote that I knew it was none of my business. That doesn't mean that it may not have been part of the story. The end.

Calm down, Ralph. Geez. All I'm saying is that it probably wasn't an issue (the All-Academic standards don't divide the team into good students and poor students respectively) and if it was, it doesn't matter either way now.

Does this blogger also post on here and have in his signature the Russian word for "yes" about five times?

No.

 

[AspyDad]

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From the tone of SA quotes to Ed and Kenny I think that he had a fast one pulled on him on this one (by BP). The AHL comment was clearly an indication of his thoughts on the matter. I don't have any problems w him going if that's what he wants, he's clearly not ready and Seth basically said that to Ed.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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The Spink twins are expected to be in the NCAA next year http://www.standard-freeholder.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2725772.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Calm down, Ralph. Geez. All I'm saying is that it probably wasn't an issue (the All-Academic standards don't divide the team into good students and poor students respectively) and if it was, it doesn't matter either way now.

OK.

BTW, my blood pressure was about 20 points higher this morning than yesterday. I wonder if BP had something to do with it.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Ed Weaver on BP http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2010/08/24/sports/doc4c734e9451ffd033942592.txt.

This is so rife with errors it borders on unreadable.

 

[pensfan08]

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Appert definitely seemed a bit irritated by his tone in the articles, although I think it's more than just him being irritated at BP. I think that he's probably irritated that there are two NHL GMs who have told him that they planned to leave the kids on his team for this upcoming year and have now pulled them away. This may lead to some frosty relations between the coach and the NHL teams with the rights to RPI players in the future.

Also I think the NCAA needs to step up and do something about all the early departures, especially ones this late in the summer. Maybe a rule that the latest a player can leave is July 1, in order to give the team time to adjust to the situation. Also I think that there needs to be some sort of minimum 2 year rule for college hockey commitments.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Also I think the NCAA needs to step up and do something about all the early departures, especially ones this late in the summer. Maybe a rule that the latest a player can leave is July 1, in order to give the team time to adjust to the situation. Also I think that there needs to be some sort of minimum 2 year rule for college hockey commitments.

If anything, I would think that would push even more players to MJ, because the players' options are no longer as open. Plus, do remember that they are student-athletes. The schools in this country that have long-term contracts with staying (to the best of my knowledge) are the United States Military Academies. Any student has the right to leave after their freshman year from most higher educational institutions.

 

[AspyDad]

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Everything is fine, nothing to worry about or talk about..."he's at a wedding". I think I'll have that printed on a t shirt and where it to the RW game.

I'll buy one of those t-shirts if the proceeds go to Paul Kelly and College Hockey Inc.

 

[pensfan08]

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There is that small detail of pushing more players to major juniors, but what I am thinking of is something more along the lines of what the NCAA and NFL have for college football. Unfortunately, because of major juniors I guess any sort of commitment rule/ mandatory age before pros can't happen.

I still think that even if a pre-defined commitment can't happen, the NCAA and NHL should definitely come up with a cut-off date for the pros raiding college teams, maybe from July 1 until the individual team's season ends the pros cannot sign players.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-season thread V: Captain Kennedy and the A-Team

Appert definitely seemed a bit irritated by his tone in the articles, although I think it's more than just him being irritated at BP. I think that he's probably irritated that there are two NHL GMs who have told him that they planned to leave the kids on his team for this upcoming year and have now pulled them away. This may lead to some frosty relations between the coach and the NHL teams with the rights to RPI players in the future.

I don't know. There's obviously going to be some disappointment in losing your two big stars well earlier than anyone could have expected when they came in, but I doubt Seth is going to be "frosty" with the NHL. This is just the reality of where college hockey is right now. No one, not the pundits, not the players, not the coaches, and not even the NHL GMs, thought this summer would be anything like this, but as the cap gets older, teams are finding they need to be creative in order to abide by it. Look at the number of veteran free agents out there who can't get a job in the NHL. Brian Pothier is one of them, he's off to Switzerland. Dartmouth's Lee Stempniak is another. Michigan's Mike Comrie is probably very content right now considering he just married Hilary Duff, but he's still looking for a contract, too. Teams are looking to fit under the cap, and you can do that a lot easier with young talent that you control through draft rights, offering them the rookie maximum (which is peanuts to these teams), forgoing the middling veterans like Pothier, Stempniak, and Comrie, and using your cap space to go after the big stars.

Don't discount the value of the glowing praise that Appert's had heaped upon him from Brian Burke and Bob McKenzie, among others. I'm sure Chicago will probably join the ranks when Pirri's signing is official. You can't buy that kind of good publicity. Burke's quote especially, you know is going to end up in the recruitment packet.

Also I think the NCAA needs to step up and do something about all the early departures, especially ones this late in the summer. Maybe a rule that the latest a player can leave is July 1, in order to give the team time to adjust to the situation. Also I think that there needs to be some sort of minimum 2 year rule for college hockey commitments.

That would be an even bigger disaster for college hockey. We're having enough problems as it is attracting players away from the lies major junior are telling them about development, we don't need to give them something true to tell them - that college hockey would severely limit their options.

The schools in this country that have long-term contracts with staying (to the best of my knowledge) are the United States Military Academies.

Only after beginning your third year - and even then, you can still leave, but you are required by law to enlist if you do.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI 2010 Off-season thread V: Captain Kennedy and the A-Team

There is that small detail of pushing more players to major juniors, but what I am thinking of is something more along the lines of what the NCAA and NFL have for college football. Unfortunately, because of major juniors I guess any sort of commitment rule/ mandatory age before pros can't happen.

I still think that even if a pre-defined commitment can't happen, the NCAA and NHL should definitely come up with a cut-off date for the pros raiding college teams, maybe from July 1 until the individual team's season ends the pros cannot sign players.

College Football (as well as basketball for that matter) can get away with that because there really isn't any other good alternative in how to go to the major professional ranks. There isn't a USFL or XFL anymore. Obviously there's Arena Football, but I don't know the rules bound to that. We don't have the monopoly, so we have to manage, and adapt our rules to be competitive.

 

[Red Cloud]

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College Football (as well as basketball for that matter) can get away with that because there really isn't any other good alternative in how to go to the major professional ranks. There isn't a USFL or XFL anymore. Obviously there's Arena Football, but I don't know the rules bound to that. We don't have the monopoly, so we have to manage, and adapt our rules to be competitive.

Well, first off, there is a UFL, but that's a professional league as well, as were the USFL and XFL - the players get paid to play. Arena Football is also a pro league.

The major difference is in the draft. First, you don't declare for the NHL draft the way you have to in the NBA and NFL (which, in essence, requires you to declare yourself a professional). That's the reason why drafted players still have college eligibility - the NHL merely allows teams to draft players with a four or five-year (I may be wrong about this, GLM will straighten me out I'm sure if I'm wrong) window to sign them. Lots of players want to be drafted, but you don't necessarily ask to be drafted.

The NFL says you have to be two-and-a-half years removed from high school in order to be draft eligible - in essence, since the draft is only once a year, it means you have to be three seasons removed from high school. That is for the player's safety - a 19-year-old would get demolished in the NFL if a team was stupid enough to draft them and put them on the field.

The NBA placed an extremely arbitrary rule that players must be 19 and a year removed from high school graduation in order to be draft eligible. In their case, it's nonsense and an overreaction to some pundits questioning high school players jumping directly to the pros, like they weren't ready or something. Two words: LeBron James. Two more: Kobe Bryant. Two more: Kevin Garnett. This isn't a question of players being ready, it's all about image.

In both cases, players are required to sign with an agent in order to be drafted, and in both cases the teams generally have a year to sign the player or they end up back in the draft. In the NHL, if you don't get signed at the end of the window, you're a free agent.

So the NCAA and NHL could arrive at some kind of agreement, but I don't see the NHL realistically going for it. The NHL already offers the least-restrictive drafting process out there as it pertains to the NCAA, there's no reason for them to bend over backwards.

 

[Jasma]

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This is so rife with errors it borders on unreadable.

That is their MO. I don't think anyone proof reads anything before it goes in that paper.
Unfortunately he may have gotten the main point correct.