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RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

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Havasu M said:
Changing the icing rule during penalties is just dumb. If the pk is out there for over a minute and they finally do clear will they be forced to stay on the ice after the icing with no change of lines as is the current rule? If you are concerned about protecting the health of kids this is not they way to go. A very bad idea.
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What does this have to do with health?

I don't like the rule either, but just because it will slow the game down and add stoppages rather than take them away.
 
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Re: RPI 2010 Off-Season III -- How we learned to stop worrying and love the Class of '14

GRussinko said:
The idea with the hybrid icing is that the linesman makes the call of whether icing is waved off at the faceoff dots, reducing the number of people charging all the way into the boards to get the puck. And if it's close enough that the two would be arriving at the same time, the icing is called. As far as I can tell this basically serves the situation where the team that iced the puck has a long jump on the opponent and everyone grumbles about icing being called when it wouldn't have even been considered were it the NHL.
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I understand the concept, but we will be putting the icing in the hands of individuals who have a hard time calling off sides.
That being said, this will open up the stretch pass that we employ regularly, and I will be the first out of my seat when Pirri takes a rebound off the end boards and puts it past the surprised goal tender.
I just hope that the linesmen do a good job. :eek:
 
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knsmith said:
What does this have to do with health?

I don't like the rule either, but just because it will slow the game down and add stoppages rather than take them away.
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This is hockey. If you are gassed and forced to continue to play, bad things can/will happen.
If they do put this rule into effect, they have to allow the pk team to change.
Also, I agree with your point about stoppages. It will only serve to slow the game down.
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
I understand the concept, but we will be putting the icing in the hands of individuals who have a hard time calling off sides.
That being said, this will open up the stretch pass that we employ regularly, and I will be the first out of my seat when Pirri takes a rebound off the end boards and puts it past the surprised goal tender.
I just hope that the linesmen do a good job. :eek:
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That was the exact point I made in an earlier posting-I do not like putting the outcome of the game even more in the hands of individuals who don't seem to be able to call the games correctly under the present rules. Penalties will become even more critical and being 2 men down will be almost certain death. Do we really want to see Kotyra and Murphy influence the outcome of games even more than they already do?
 
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DrDemento said:
That was the exact point I made in an earlier posting-I do not like putting the outcome of the game even more in the hands of individuals who don't seem to be able to call the games correctly under the present rules. Penalties will become even more critical and being 2 men down will be almost certain death. Do we really want to see Kotyra and Murphy influence the outcome of games even more than they already do?
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And further to that point, we seem to be near the top in terms of penalty minutes.
We would have to change the whole perception of our game.
I don't see the referees easing up on us.
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
This is hockey. If you are gassed and forced to continue to play, bad things can/will happen.
If they do put this rule into effect, they have to allow the pk team to change.
Also, I agree with your point about stoppages. It will only serve to slow the game down.
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Regardless of whether they should or shouldn't be allowed to change after such an icing, I can almost guarantee you they will not be allowed to do so.
 
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GreatLakerMohawk said:
That was implied with what I was saying. If guys were better officials they'd be in the AHL or NHL. :)
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Not that I am a defender of ECAC officiating, but officials have to learn how to call the game, its not like you wake up and are an NHL official. At least 2 or 3 ECAC refs do work the AHL...Emmanatian, Hansen & Kotyra, are the three that come to mind, but I could be missing someone. The latter two have worked the Olympics, IIRC.

I did think that last year's officiating was particularly tough to watch at times, regardless of who you were rooting for...struggling (and often failing) to make proper offsides calls. We did see a lot of new young faces working as linesmen in the ECAC...I can only hope this is a new crop who will have a better grasp of how a game should flow.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
Not that I am a defender of ECAC officiating, but officials have to learn how to call the game, its not like you wake up and are an NHL official. At least 2 or 3 ECAC refs do work the AHL...Emmanatian, Hansen & Kotyra, are the three that come to mind, but I could be missing someone. The latter two have worked the Olympics, IIRC.

I did think that last year's officiating was particularly tough to watch at times, regardless of who you were rooting for...struggling (and often failing) to make proper offsides calls. We did see a lot of new young faces working as linesmen in the ECAC...I can only hope this is a new crop who will have a better grasp of how a game should flow.
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Didn't Peter Feola go to Vancouver to work this past games?
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
Not that I am a defender of ECAC officiating, but officials have to learn how to call the game, its not like you wake up and are an NHL official. At least 2 or 3 ECAC refs do work the AHL...Emmanatian, Hansen & Kotyra, are the three that come to mind, but I could be missing someone. The latter two have worked the Olympics, IIRC.

I did think that last year's officiating was particularly tough to watch at times, regardless of who you were rooting for...struggling (and often failing) to make proper offsides calls. We did see a lot of new young faces working as linesmen in the ECAC...I can only hope this is a new crop who will have a better grasp of how a game should flow.
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I have kept fairly careful records of this-our won loss record with Kotyra on the ice is abyssmal. I have personally only seen him work 1 RPI game and I actually became nauseated watching him. He just seems to have some sort of grudge which he holds against RPI and has allowed his personal feelings to affect his calling of the game. Sorry if others disagree-but please think about some of his games with us-especially Cornell in the playoffs 2 years ago game 2.:( (And remember -I survived Mike Noeth)
 
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Today is 13 June 2010. There are 111 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 2 October for the start of next season.
 
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I think the rule changes suggested are all fine. I hope some of them get adopted. My two favorites are the hybrid icing and the extra attacker goal does not negate the PP.

As far as no icing on the PK goes, all they are essentially saying is that the same rules apply whether short handed or not. Teams that are penalized do not deserve special treatment. The impact of no icing on major penalty kills could be especially fun to watch.

I've always thought that icings should be like timeouts in basketball. Each team should only be allowed 2 per period (or something like that). Any play that is offensive in nature (like a stretch pass) should never result in an icing. After two icings, each additional one results in a delay of game penalty - the idea being that the attacking team should be rewarded.
 
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According to the ORDA website the October 30th game vs Union in Lake Placid will be called the Halloween Face-Off Tournament. So I think a halloween party at the local pubs after will be in order.
 
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As far as no icing on the PK goes, all they are essentially saying is that the same rules apply whether short handed or not. Teams that are penalized do not deserve special treatment. The impact of no icing on major penalty kills could be especially fun to watch.
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If by "fun" you mean you enjoy seeing powerplays stopped for faceoffs over and over and over again, then you might be right.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
Not that I am a defender of ECAC officiating, but officials have to learn how to call the game, its not like you wake up and are an NHL official. At least 2 or 3 ECAC refs do work the AHL...Emmanatian, Hansen & Kotyra, are the three that come to mind, but I could be missing someone. The latter two have worked the Olympics, IIRC.

I did think that last year's officiating was particularly tough to watch at times, regardless of who you were rooting for...struggling (and often failing) to make proper offsides calls. We did see a lot of new young faces working as linesmen in the ECAC...I can only hope this is a new crop who will have a better grasp of how a game should flow.
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Someone call 911 and send them to Slappaahs house...He seems to be disoriented and confused !!!!
 
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Two words... Mike Baker. He was atrocious in the Brown series. Ditto.. Feola What Baker did to Pirri was everything that is wrong with ECAC officials. I think he called him for three penalties (game one) in the first period, the same in game two... I couldn't go to Sunday game because I knew we were going to get jobbed by Baker and Feola. My issue is that the league never does anything to improve it. Paul Stewart sits on his NHL alleged cred. SA is trying to bring in top flight guys (i.e. Pirri and Jerry) and believe me the refs in the league can and will be issue why they leave or why players of their caliber don't come in the first place.
 
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AspyDad said:
Two words... Mike Baker. He was atrocious in the Brown series. Ditto.. Feola What Baker did to Pirri was everything that is wrong with ECAC officials. I think he called him for three penalties (game one) in the first period, the same in game two... I couldn't go to Sunday game because I knew we were going to get jobbed by Baker and Feola. My issue is that the league never does anything to improve it. Paul Stewart sits on his NHL alleged cred. SA is trying to bring in top flight guys (i.e. Pirri and Jerry) and believe me the refs in the league can and will be issue why they leave or why players of their caliber don't come in the first place.
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Not to mention his fighting call, or that "game" against Q-Pac a while back...
 
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knsmith said:
If by "fun" you mean you enjoy seeing powerplays stopped for faceoffs over and over and over again, then you might be right.
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Obviously we'll have to see how it plays out but I think an immediate draw back in the other end is just as interesting as watching a defenseman skate up to the blue line (or even red) and dump it in. The longer the PKers are kept on the ice the bigger the advantage for the team with the PP. The net result in the long run is more scoring - period.

I don't know about you but nothing to me is more boring than a PP where the defense ices is 4 or 5 times and nothing happens in between. Now a clear out of the zone will require some skill - not just winding up and slapping the puck. I like that idea.
 
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