Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
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RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
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Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
I'm sure they'll be back at some point. After all, they have high standards.
I'm sure they'll be back at some point. After all, they have high standards.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
I assume that you mean among RPI fandom, since there are some in the league office. Then again, missing the UConn game is of relatively little consequence, and it will be good for Vines.
I assume that you mean among RPI fandom, since there are some in the league office. Then again, missing the UConn game is of relatively little consequence, and it will be good for Vines.
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Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
Actually veering off towards how RPI is playing, I am impressed by our third period abilities this year thus far. I think the captain holding practices from the July/August timeframe has a lot to do with this, especially if some of our ECHL alumni who visited during those practices were winded. I know the real testament will come in the coming months when we're in the heart of league play, but thus far I am impressed. Obviously we've had the short end of the stick a few times, but we've been pretty decent.
Actually veering off towards how RPI is playing, I am impressed by our third period abilities this year thus far. I think the captain holding practices from the July/August timeframe has a lot to do with this, especially if some of our ECHL alumni who visited during those practices were winded. I know the real testament will come in the coming months when we're in the heart of league play, but thus far I am impressed. Obviously we've had the short end of the stick a few times, but we've been pretty decent.
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Agree-our trouble this year has been the first period and coming out ready to play. We have started slowly and it has taken us a while to get going. So far this year, it is not the dreaded third period or overtime or the dreaded second period. It is just coming out with fire that needs to be addressed a little. We have not been the best second and third period team in quite a while-it is nice to see.
Agree-our trouble this year has been the first period and coming out ready to play. We have started slowly and it has taken us a while to get going. So far this year, it is not the dreaded third period or overtime or the dreaded second period. It is just coming out with fire that needs to be addressed a little. We have not been the best second and third period team in quite a while-it is nice to see.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
I certainly didn't mean to imply that I was taking UConn lightly or taht the team could. What I meant was that it did not count in the ECAC standings. Granted that if we stay in the bubble for an NCAA berth, losing would hurt a lot.
Watch it now RB, I am a UCONN alum. I laughed the other day when I got a fund raising letter that said we were a public ivy. Thought that I got something from Cornell
UCONN has a decent soph goalie, Bartus. They tied Maine and Union. Not bad for basically a club team. We (RPI) need to be careful in that game.
I certainly didn't mean to imply that I was taking UConn lightly or taht the team could. What I meant was that it did not count in the ECAC standings. Granted that if we stay in the bubble for an NCAA berth, losing would hurt a lot.
Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
pretty cool turning on NHL Network and reading the "crawl" on the bottom of the screen seeing RPI highlighted....for those w/nhl net., Sat. at noon; Brown @ Colgate...followed by LSSU @ Michigan....Sun. at 1 it's Hamilton @ Toronto Marlies
pretty cool turning on NHL Network and reading the "crawl" on the bottom of the screen seeing RPI highlighted....for those w/nhl net., Sat. at noon; Brown @ Colgate...followed by LSSU @ Michigan....Sun. at 1 it's Hamilton @ Toronto Marlies
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Great show (WaP podcast) as always, Tom.
Great show (WaP podcast) as always, Tom.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
More from Ed Weaver about the suspension http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/...4ce61367e8c6a008208214.txt?viewmode=fullstory.
More from Ed Weaver about the suspension http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/...4ce61367e8c6a008208214.txt?viewmode=fullstory.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
Thumbs up here too.
Thumbs up here too.
Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
Broke this one down into several parts.
Broke this one down into several parts.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
We should think about it, and the athletic department probably is, but it isn't like the HEA fans think that there refs are that great either. I don't know if it still is the case, but in the past, some refs worked both leagues.
There are other problems with going to HEA. Off the top of my head:
1. We don't have any natural rivalries there. One could say that we have a rivalry with BU because we play them often, but BU's main rival is BC, and after them are probably NU, UNH, Maine, and perhaps others. UVM was our travel partner years ago, so some sort of rivalry could start, but we don't have much in common with them. As I have said before, we had a one-game rivalry with PC.
The ECAC is made up of 12 private schools. The HEA is currently 2 private schools, 5 state schools, and 3 church schools.
2. I doubt that the HEA would want to go with 11 teams. So, someone else would have to be added. QU would probably go, but they aren't our rival either. (They might be on the women's side to a degree.) Union would probably follow us, but would the HEA want them?
3. We're centrally located in the ECAC. We'd be on the periphery of the HEA. The ECAC tourney might go back to Albany -- the EHA tourney would never go there.
4. Unless things have changed, and I don't recall anyone here ever saying it has, the RPI admins really like being associated with the Ivies.
Good things about switching.
1. There are certainly benefits as far as recruiting is concerned in playing in a better hockey league. I wonder if we even try recruiting in the Boston area these days. If we are, we are having better results in Minnesota than there.
2. Also, our average home attendence would probably go up playing better teams overall. Some of the Ivies don't draw well in Troy. That isn't saying that Merrimack or UML would draw well either, but they probably would overall.
3. The HEA has a longer league schedule. Currently we have a hard time filling 12 or more OOC slots. Granted that the ECAC is apparently considering adding extra games vs. travel partners.
We should think about it, and the athletic department probably is, but it isn't like the HEA fans think that there refs are that great either. I don't know if it still is the case, but in the past, some refs worked both leagues.
There are other problems with going to HEA. Off the top of my head:
1. We don't have any natural rivalries there. One could say that we have a rivalry with BU because we play them often, but BU's main rival is BC, and after them are probably NU, UNH, Maine, and perhaps others. UVM was our travel partner years ago, so some sort of rivalry could start, but we don't have much in common with them. As I have said before, we had a one-game rivalry with PC.
The ECAC is made up of 12 private schools. The HEA is currently 2 private schools, 5 state schools, and 3 church schools.
2. I doubt that the HEA would want to go with 11 teams. So, someone else would have to be added. QU would probably go, but they aren't our rival either. (They might be on the women's side to a degree.) Union would probably follow us, but would the HEA want them?
3. We're centrally located in the ECAC. We'd be on the periphery of the HEA. The ECAC tourney might go back to Albany -- the EHA tourney would never go there.
4. Unless things have changed, and I don't recall anyone here ever saying it has, the RPI admins really like being associated with the Ivies.
Good things about switching.
1. There are certainly benefits as far as recruiting is concerned in playing in a better hockey league. I wonder if we even try recruiting in the Boston area these days. If we are, we are having better results in Minnesota than there.
2. Also, our average home attendence would probably go up playing better teams overall. Some of the Ivies don't draw well in Troy. That isn't saying that Merrimack or UML would draw well either, but they probably would overall.
3. The HEA has a longer league schedule. Currently we have a hard time filling 12 or more OOC slots. Granted that the ECAC is apparently considering adding extra games vs. travel partners.
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Im not sure why RPI doesnt schedule more OoC games against HEA schools, Id love to see some games vs Maine, Merrimack, UVM, Providence, etc....
JMO, I think if HEA were to add 2 more teams they would have to lower the number of conference games to 22, play each team twice, once at home and once on the road. Im sure the current HEA teams would like more OoC games for a chance to increase their strength of schedule with more games vs W/CCHA teams. Also if RPI did switch leagues I dont think they would have any problems filling up the OoC schedule with old rivals from the ECAC like Clarkson, Union and the Ivys.
Im not sure why RPI doesnt schedule more OoC games against HEA schools, Id love to see some games vs Maine, Merrimack, UVM, Providence, etc....
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Why wouldn't they just do a 4-and-2 schedule mix similar to the WCHA or CCHA if the move were to happen?
Also, with the Big Ten Hockey Conference possibly coming to fruition, is there any possibility of any of the eastern leagues also wanting to split up a bit, or does it look like it will only affect the western leagues?
Why wouldn't they just do a 4-and-2 schedule mix similar to the WCHA or CCHA if the move were to happen?
Also, with the Big Ten Hockey Conference possibly coming to fruition, is there any possibility of any of the eastern leagues also wanting to split up a bit, or does it look like it will only affect the western leagues?
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
I suspect that the HEA would still have a longer and unbalanced schedule. I agree that we would still play some of the ECAC schools in OOC schools, but probably not any of the Ivies on a regular basis. I don't think that any of them see us as being a crucial opponent.
I suspect that the HEA would still have a longer and unbalanced schedule. I agree that we would still play some of the ECAC schools in OOC schools, but probably not any of the Ivies on a regular basis. I don't think that any of them see us as being a crucial opponent.
Ralph Baer
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It doesn't have to affect the eastern leagues, but it could if the HEA powers think they need to in order to retain national prominence. Those schools probably wouldn't want RPI, and I don't think that RPI would be interested in the remaining teams.
Edit: Then again, we know that SA could sell iceboxes to eskimos, so perhaps we could get the HEA powers interested in us.
It doesn't have to affect the eastern leagues, but it could if the HEA powers think they need to in order to retain national prominence. Those schools probably wouldn't want RPI, and I don't think that RPI would be interested in the remaining teams.
Edit: Then again, we know that SA could sell iceboxes to eskimos, so perhaps we could get the HEA powers interested in us.
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Clearly we should take Union, Q, SLU, Clarkson and Penn State into HE and then form a Western division with UVM and UMASS. Of course we'd need to change the conf name to ... um.... I got it... CECAC With the first C standing for Classical.
Clearly we should take Union, Q, SLU, Clarkson and Penn State into HE and then form a Western division with UVM and UMASS. Of course we'd need to change the conf name to ... um.... I got it... CECAC With the first C standing for Classical.
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I thought one of the points of the breakup was to get an auto-bid to the big dance....
I thought one of the points of the breakup was to get an auto-bid to the big dance....
Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
FWIW, heres a news article from back in 2000 when Niagara was trying to get into HEA
before they added UVM. Bertagna has stated more recently that he would like to bring the league to 12 teams. I believe his contract expires after this season, so who knows what might happen.
http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2000news/3_26_s1.htm
FWIW, heres a news article from back in 2000 when Niagara was trying to get into HEA
before they added UVM. Bertagna has stated more recently that he would like to bring the league to 12 teams. I believe his contract expires after this season, so who knows what might happen. http://archive.seacoastonline.com/2000news/3_26_s1.htm
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Re: RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.
I would like to commend Ed on this piece. He asked all the questions I have had concerning the officials in all sports. Unfortunately, he did not get any answers. That's typical. Players make mistakes and they have to pay for it with less ice time or being sat down for a game or two. Coaches get suspended for their mistakes, officials get ???. As for Hicks, I don't think that it is coincidence. Don't get me wrong, I am not accusing him of anything. I believe that he has a problem with RPI personally, and that his judgement is clouded. I certainly hope that that is the case, because if he is doing this consciously, he should be removed.
It is time that all officials be accountable for their mistakes as is the rest of the world.
As for the commissioner, he is useless. JMO
I would like to commend Ed on this piece. He asked all the questions I have had concerning the officials in all sports. Unfortunately, he did not get any answers. That's typical. Players make mistakes and they have to pay for it with less ice time or being sat down for a game or two. Coaches get suspended for their mistakes, officials get ???. As for Hicks, I don't think that it is coincidence. Don't get me wrong, I am not accusing him of anything. I believe that he has a problem with RPI personally, and that his judgement is clouded. I certainly hope that that is the case, because if he is doing this consciously, he should be removed.
It is time that all officials be accountable for their mistakes as is the rest of the world.
As for the commissioner, he is useless. JMO
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