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RPI 2010-11 Part II: RPI, the Other Team, the Refs -- We're outnumbered 10 to 6.

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burgie12 said:
I believe that Appert still gets credit for the outcome of the game, but that's not from knowledge of RPI's book-keeping, that's from other examples in the MLB / NHL.
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I am pretty sure that it is the same in college.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Ed Weaver article on the suspension http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/...4ce4b7231440b721682460.txt?viewmode=fullstory.
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It's not just the ECAC, all sports leagues protect their officials to the nth degree. See Armando Galarraga.
This is just wrong. We all know that they are human and they make mistakes. When they do, they should be called on it.
Would this have been reviewable if we had replay? And if we did, would this not have been overturned? How is showing the video a suspenable offense?
 
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Sully has put together his own op-ed as part of this week's blog entry about the suspension: http://www.uscho.com/2010/11/18/veterans-leading-the-way-as-dartmouth-makes-strides/ about 3/4 of the way down.

Obviously I posted a page or two back why I feel Coach may have been given the boot for a game, and Brian and I seem to be in agreement. One thing that should be noted is that this is the second incident in the past 3 years in which a coach has been suspended for public statements concerning officiating. I'm not going to claim First Amendment because the league is private and therefore has the right to refuse service; there'd be a beef if this was handed down by the NCAA. However, I think at this point, it would be wise for the league to take some action in investigating this.

I think a good first step would be to have Paul Stewart and/or Steve Hagwell attend at least one game officiated by the referee in question for the purposes of auditing. I think Saturday's game may have also been audited. You can't replace a ref because of one bad call that happened to affect the outcome of regulation because there will always be human error. However, it can be made sure this isn't a common enough occurrence to display that the official is unable to effectively perform his/her job.
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
It's not just the ECAC, all sports leagues protect their officials to the nth degree. See Armando Galarraga.
This is just wrong. We all know that they are human and they make mistakes. When they do, they should be called on it.
Would this have been reviewable if we had replay? And if we did, would this not have been overturned? How is showing the video a suspenable offense?
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There was no whistle, therefore I do believe that it would have been reviewable. In order to overturn it, there would have had to have been indisputable evidence that the opposite was true. Remember, the original call was "no goal". If the referee was not able to tell via the video, the call of "no goal" would stand.
 
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To the Union fan saying that what Appert did is not similar to Leman, ok so showing video about goal is more damaging that make comments that your team was "unfairly" over-penalized. If one of them was suspended then both should have been.

FlagDude, I believe that they would follow the NHL's lead on goal reviews, in which case that would mean that the "no-goal/screw job" Friday night would have been reviewable.
 
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Has the video of the disputed goal made it to the internet? I am not referring to Ken Schott's video of the video.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Has the video of the disputed goal made it to the internet? I am not referring to Ken Schott's video of the video.
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RPI Athletics puts up raw video of goals on their Youtube channel. I do not know if this play was included within that video.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
There was no whistle, therefore I do believe that it would have been reviewable. In order to overturn it, there would have had to have been indisputable evidence that the opposite was true. Remember, the original call was "no goal". If the referee was not able to tell via the video, the call of "no goal" would stand.
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It makes no difference whether the call was overturned, my point was, if there was a camera on hand, it would have been looked at during the game. Why than is it a suspendable offense if the video is shown after the game.
Does the league consider it showing up the officials when the go to the video review booth? I don't think so, so why is it showing up the officials when someone else goes to the video.
It just doesn't make sense.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Has the video of the disputed goal made it to the internet? I am not referring to Ken Schott's video of the video.
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I sent an email to Sidearm tech support who powers Union College All-Access asking if Fridays hockey game would be available in the archives anytime soon. I got this responce:

"I apologize for the inconvenience. Union College is currently in the process of setting up their media archive section for the season. They are hoping to have this section available soon. Thank you for your patience." ICS Tech Support

I havent seen it anyplace else on the net, so hopefully Union with have it up fairly soon.
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
It makes no difference whether the call was overturned, my point was, if there was a camera on hand, it would have been looked at during the game. Why than is it a suspendable offense if the video is shown after the game.
Does the league consider it showing up the officials when the go to the video review booth? I don't think so, so why is it showing up the officials when someone else goes to the video.
It just doesn't make sense.
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I'm sure there's probably some sort of sanctioning rule for official vs. unofficial video, and both teams must be made aware of and agree to the videotaping source. Not to mention, there have to be capabilities of regaining the video; my guess would be that a conventional video camera is used for the RPI-internal video and cannot be regained without stopping tape and rewinding.

As for the suspension, I don't think the video was the reason for the suspension, I think it was the comment made after the question of reprecussions, which could be interpreted as a threat against the employment of a league employee.
 
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redhead18 said:
I sent an email to Sidearm tech support who powers Union College All-Access asking if Fridays hockey game would be available in the archives anytime soon. I got this responce:

"I apologize for the inconvenience. Union College is currently in the process of setting up their media archive section for the season. They are hoping to have this section available soon. Thank you for your patience." ICS Tech Support

I havent seen it anyplace else on the net, so hopefully Union with have it up fairly soon.
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I suspect that Union's equivalent of Rose Mary Woods is currently working on it. ;)
 
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I love this discussion. It is helping to fill a 3 week hockey void for Union fans. Let me throw this out there. I thought that Appert's standing on top of the boards and screaming at the refs was a lot more objectionable than was his post game conduct at least in terms of showing up the officials. If Leaman did that at HFH he would be excoriated or if that was Fat Mike standing up there screaming we'd never have heard the end of it, including comments on how strong they must build those boards to sustain such mass. :D
 
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Wholin1 said:
I love this discussion. It is helping to fill a 3 week hockey void for Union fans. Let me throw this out there. I thought that Appert's standing on top of the boards and screaming at the refs was a lot more objectionable than was his post game conduct at least in terms of showing up the officials. If Leaman did that at HFH he would be excoriated or if that was Fat Mike standing up there screaming we'd never have heard the end of it, including comments on how strong they must build those boards to sustain such mass. :D
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Yes, but if Nate was standing up there like that, your student section would have egg'd him on. You should have seen us egging on Fridgen a few times when he was coaching. :eek: Not to mention, at that game, the RPI section I believe had a chant involving "Kick his [alternate word for donkey]".
 
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