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RPI 2009-10 Part IV: The Boys are Back in Town

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Red Cloud said:
What Jayson said, plus a little extra...

First off, a sweep this weekend probably isn't enough to make the Engineers a TUC. We're in 31st in RPI. Moving up 6 spots in one weekend wouldn't be unheard of, but it's not terribly likely in a weekend where you're taking on the #55 out of 58 RPI team (Clarkson).

Second, St. Lawrence is 23rd in RPI. That's tenuous, and we're playing them. Beating them could make us 7-7 against TUCs, but it could also make us 6-6 (assuming BU, who's also pretty tenuous, stays above the golden 25 level).

Third, to go right along with what Jayson said, even a 7-7 record against TUCs isn't lighting the Pairwise on fire - and RPI is the most important component of the comparisons since it's the nominal tiebreaker. If the Engineers were a TUC right now (assuming their RPI was about at 25, meaning they don't win that criteria with anyone), they don't win the comparison with anyone (although BU and Minnesota would be close). Simply having .500 record against TUCs can help you win that criteria against lower-end PWR teams, but RPI is the most important, and losing the common opponent criteria (as the Engineers do with BU, SLU, and the Gophers) makes the TUC thing a wash anyway.

Realistically, the Engineers are only making the NCAA tournament if they hoist the Whitelaw Cup in Albany. They could go on a tear that would make them a TUC, but I just don't see them being able to rise high enough, fast enough, to make a splash in the PWR.

Oh... and totally agree on Colgate. Their record against quality teams makes them look like a paper tiger.
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Finally-I think I understand this stuff a little bit better.
 
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DrDemento said:
Finally-I think I understand this stuff a little bit better.
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Best case record for the Engineers without winning the ECAC Tournament is 25-13-2 (if they win out the regular season, they will have a first-round bye). Would that be enough for an at-large bid? Possibly. Hard to say for sure, from the WCHA, CCHA, or Hockey East it would be a lock. It'd be borderline for the Engineers.

Seth used the figure of 22 wins at the alum gathering in New Haven when it came to having a shot at an at-large bid. That seems a bit low to me, but it would at least make the Engineers a TUC, more than likely.
 
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Red Cloud said:
Best case record for the Engineers without winning the ECAC Tournament is 25-13-2 (if they win out the regular season, they will have a first-round bye). Would that be enough for an at-large bid? Possibly. Hard to say for sure, from the WCHA, CCHA, or Hockey East it would be a lock. It'd be borderline for the Engineers.

Seth used the figure of 22 wins at the alum gathering in New Haven when it came to having a shot at an at-large bid. That seems a bit low to me, but it would at least make the Engineers a TUC, more than likely.
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I would be happy this year with just a really strong showing in the ECAC tournament-if we don't qualify for the NCAA and just miss-I can live with that. But next year I would want to be greedy and set my sights on a bid to the big dance. This team is just so much better than what we have seen the past 3 years that we expect a lot from them-but the consistency just isn't there yet. But as you point out-if they can win out during league play the last 8 games, they will make a pretty decent case for being including in the NCAA tournament.
 
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Red Cloud said:
Best case record for the Engineers without winning the ECAC Tournament is 25-13-2 (if they win out the regular season, they will have a first-round bye). Would that be enough for an at-large bid? Possibly. Hard to say for sure, from the WCHA, CCHA, or Hockey East it would be a lock. It'd be borderline for the Engineers.

Seth used the figure of 22 wins at the alum gathering in New Haven when it came to having a shot at an at-large bid. That seems a bit low to me, but it would at least make the Engineers a TUC, more than likely.
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Winning out puts us at about 13th in the RPI. I agree that it would be on the cusp.

If we had pulled out the Brown game in OT, we would be in the TUC now. 2 wins this weekend gets us into the fray - or very close.
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
I have a question. Who's budget are we talking about regarding this weekends projector? Also, not knowing anything about such things, is the difference in price that big from 7K to 10K?
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The tab is being split four ways: RPI Athletics, RPI Multimedia Services, Alumni Relations, and the Field House. I have no idea about the price difference, but they're already spending more than they'd like.

redhead18 said:
Thats fantastic news to hear! The current audio system has definately seen better days. Any word if they are planning on replacing the lighting system inside the Field House? Ive heard its a nightmare for photographers and I would imagine the same goes for shooting video.
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They may replace some individual fixtures, but the majority of the ice and spectator lighting is not going to change. It truly is atrocious for still photography, and while it's not as bad on video, it's pretty easy to see the areas of red and blue light across the ice.
 
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RHamilton said:
They may replace some individual fixtures, but the majority of the ice and spectator lighting is not going to change. It truly is atrocious for still photography, and while it's not as bad on video, it's pretty easy to see the areas of red and blue light across the ice.
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Thats too bad, I would like to see a lighting system like the one they have over at Quinnipiac inside the TD Sports Center, just have the brightness turned down a couple notches. :cool:
 
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DrDemento said:
I would be happy this year with just a really strong showing in the ECAC tournament-if we don't qualify for the NCAA and just miss-I can live with that. But next year I would want to be greedy and set my sights on a bid to the big dance. This team is just so much better than what we have seen the past 3 years that we expect a lot from them-but the consistency just isn't there yet. But as you point out-if they can win out during league play the last 8 games, they will make a pretty decent case for being including in the NCAA tournament.
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I don't know a thing about any of this power ranking garbage, but I know that the ECAC does not command much respect in the rest of D1. If they have a whisper of an opportunity to give a slot to someone other than an ECAC school, they will. We need to TCOB on the ice and leave the stats in the classroom, IMO. :eek: :D
 
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Great news about the sound system upgrades, and with any luck a new scoreboard/jumbotron. Seth is not messing around. I would bet they talked about all of this stuff in his final interview - the guy is that tuned in to what needs to be done to elevate a program.

I have to think those responsible for sales and marketing at RPI would greatly welcome the jumbotron so they could sell prime ads on the bigscreen.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
I don't know a thing about any of this power ranking garbage, but I know that the ECAC does not command much respect in the rest of D1. If they have a whisper of an opportunity to give a slot to someone other than an ECAC school, they will. We need to TCOB on the ice and leave the stats in the classroom, IMO. :eek: :D
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Wicked, they have no way, under current rules, to leave out an ECAC school (or an AHA school for that matter) who makes it by the PWR. USCHO (Jayson Moy) has been going through this each year, and it does work as advertised. Year's ago, there were smoke-filled rooms, but those days are hopefully forever over.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Wicked, they have no way, under current rules, to leave out an ECAC schools (or an AHA school for that matter), who makes it by the PWR. USCHO (Jayson Moy) has been going through this each year, and it does work as advertised. Year's ago, there were smoke-filled rooms, but those days are hopefully forever over.
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OK RB, I defer to you in this. All I know is if they lift the cup at the TUC, they are in. :D
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
Great news about the sound system upgrades, and with any luck a new scoreboard/jumbotron. Seth is not messing around. I would bet they talked about all of this stuff in his final interview - the guy is that tuned in to what needs to be done to elevate a program.

I have to think those responsible for sales and marketing at RPI would greatly welcome the jumbotron so they could sell prime ads on the bigscreen.
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And it will help sell potential recruits on RPI. Everything helps. :)
 
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Ralph Baer said:
And it will help sell potential recruits on RPI. Everything helps. :)
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And I have to think a more modern setup would be good for an additional 500-1k fans per game. Hey, the fan experience sells tickets. Go to a Siena game sometime (not you obviously, Ralph), and see how much they put into fan atmosphere. Having a videoboard, IIRC, puts us ahead of every other program in the league except for Quinnipiac and Harvard in that element of fan experience.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I had wondered where this site was as I did not bookmark it before. http://www.playoffstatus.com/ecachockey/rensselaerstandings.html. It shows the probability of each team finishing in each position in the standings
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Nice find, Ralph, although I'm fuzzy on the whole "RPI doesn't control its bye destiny" claim. I used the Sioux Sports predictor (here's another fun link, kids! http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=4) and tried to make the Engineers lose the bye after winning out, to no avail. Seems to me they do control their own destiny when it comes to the bye.

30% chance of getting the bye? That sounds about right. 66% chance of home ice in the first round? That's at least a good fallback.
 
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redhead18 said:
Thats too bad, I would like to see a lighting system like the one they have over at Quinnipiac inside the TD Sports Center, just have the brightness turned down a couple notches. :cool:
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If RPI only had a school that did lighting research and development.... ;) :D
 
Re: RPI 2009-10 Part IV: The Boys are Back in Town

Red Cloud said:
What Jayson said, plus a little extra...

First off, a sweep this weekend probably isn't enough to make the Engineers a TUC. We're in 31st in RPI. Moving up 6 spots in one weekend wouldn't be unheard of, but it's not terribly likely in a weekend where you're taking on the #55 out of 58 RPI team (Clarkson).

Second, St. Lawrence is 23rd in RPI. That's tenuous, and we're playing them. Beating them could make us 7-7 against TUCs, but it could also make us 6-6 (assuming BU, who's also pretty tenuous, stays above the golden 25 level).

Third, to go right along with what Jayson said, even a 7-7 record against TUCs isn't lighting the Pairwise on fire - and RPI is the most important component of the comparisons since it's the nominal tiebreaker. If the Engineers were a TUC right now (assuming their RPI was about at 25, meaning they don't win that criteria with anyone), they don't win the comparison with anyone (although BU and Minnesota would be close). Simply having .500 record against TUCs can help you win that criteria against lower-end PWR teams, but RPI is the most important, and losing the common opponent criteria (as the Engineers do with BU, SLU, and the Gophers) makes the TUC thing a wash anyway.

Realistically, the Engineers are only making the NCAA tournament if they hoist the Whitelaw Cup in Albany. They could go on a tear that would make them a TUC, but I just don't see them being able to rise high enough, fast enough, to make a splash in the PWR.

Oh... and totally agree on Colgate. Their record against quality teams makes them look like a paper tiger.
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well played RC, I'm starting to get it...
 
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