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>>> RIT Tigers 2018/2019 - Time For The Tigers to Roar <<<

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LtPowers said:
Impressive, but not the most relevant metric, necessarily.

The one loss was two weeks ago, to Holy Cross. Last Saturday, RIT was tied going into the third, so doesn't show up in the "leading after two" stats, but had a lead in the third period that they couldn't hold. And last night is one of the 11 wins in your stat, but it only came after RIT gave up their lead. I think there are others among the 11 where that's the case. The perception could be a case of recentism bias.

So what I would be interested to see is the number of games in which RIT had a third-period lead but later gave up that lead, whether RIT ultimately won, lost, or tied.


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Off the top of my head, all three Sacred Heart losses came after taking a lead early in the 3rd period, so those don't show up in the "after two" stats either. The stat (obviously) doesn't count the two non-conference games that they lost after having a lead after two as well, nor the handful of games they didn't play particularly well with the lead but managed to hold on to win (see the other Sacred Heart game, others). There was a number of games where the other team tied it before RIT scored again as well, as Powers said. Playing with the lead has absolutely been a problem.

Hell, even in those 12 games they've entered the 3rd period with the lead in the conference, they've been outscored 16-8 in the 3rd period (excluding ENG), and that excludes the 3 Sacred Heart games where they blew 3rd period leads as well as the four non-conference games they entered the 3rd leading (and were outscored 6-1 in those 4 3rd periods)

Anyway, here's what was clinched during last night's games (the race for top 4 and byes is officially down to 6 teams):
- RIT clinched home ice in the 1st round of the playoffs
- Air Force clinched home ice in the 1st round of the playoffs
- Sacred Heart clinched home ice in the 1st round of the playoffs
- Niagara was eliminated from top 4 and bye contention
- Army was eliminated from top 4 and bye contention
- Robert Morris was eliminated from top 4 and bye contention
- Holy Cross was eliminated from top 4 and bye contention

And here's what Atlantic Hockey teams are playing for tonight, clinching wise:
- AIC wins the conference if RIT does not win and Bentley loses
- Bentley clinches a bye with a win if Mercyhurst does not win
- Bentley is eliminated from title contention with a loss
- RIT clinches a bye with a win if Mercyhurst loses
- RIT is eliminated from title contention if they do not win
- Mercyhurst clinches home ice in the 1st round of the playoffs with a win
- Mercyhurst clinches home ice in the 1st round of the playoffs with a tie if Holy Cross does not win, Army does not win, OR Niagara loses
- Mercyhurst clinches home ice in the 1st round of the playoffs with a Holy Cross loss or Army loss
 
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Good weekend...would have been great if not for the first 5 minutes tonight. They could have easily given up 3 with all the odd man rushes they were leaking early. I don't think the next 5 minutes was nearly as bad, but Robert Morris got their 2nd on a fluky play and it was an uphill battle from there.

They still control their own destiny for 4th, and the good news is winning out next weekend means they avoid Air Force for sure in the 2nd round too. I want no piece of them, especially in Denver. If we have to play them, let it be as late as possible.

Also, Bentley did indeed clinch a bye tonight, I forgot to transfer over the scenario that had them clinching with a tie (namely a Mercyhurst loss). Air Force has not, since they could lose a 3 way AF/SH/MH tiebreaker in 4th at 30 points. (Mercyhurst would take 4th, then Sacred Heart would take 5th).

EDIT: Oh and if you're wondering, RIT's tiebreakers are terrible. In fact, if they end up tied with a team, they will finish below them in the final standings. They lost season series to Sacred Heart, Mercyhurst, Air Force, and Bentley....AKA the only 4 teams that could end up in a tie with them.

EDIT AGAIN: Actually there is one scenario where a 3rd seeded RIT who won out would have to face a 6th seeded Air Force (for the same reason that they haven't clinched a bye yet), but at least that wouldn't be in Colorado.
 
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RIT Winters said:
It's weird that they can be so good by record, and so bad by goals allowed in the 3rd period.
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That 11-1-0 stat also hides games like the last SHU game where the Tigers took the lead 2 minutes into the third, then gave up two goals. I feel like there been a few games like that this season. Regardless on the figuring of the math I would say if you just ran that state of goals allowed in the 3rd period at me I'd say no way this team is where they are now in the standings. Even though it's mostly worked out, it still not a trend I'd like to see going into the playoffs. Feel like they are playing with fire and the playoffs have a way of finding trends like that and burning you...

Now they did have a nice third and come from behind tie on Saturday. I just like to see them get a lead against Niagara and Canisius and just hold it with no Drama. Can't this grumpy old man get what he wants just once?
 
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RIT Winters said:
It's weird that they can be so good by record, and so bad by goals allowed in the 3rd period.
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It often has felt like the team plays more defensively when they have a lead, and often that gives the opponents more chances, and thus, more goals.
 
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Random topic: If RIT has a bye clinched by Saturday (preferably with a win over Niagara), would you give Christian Short a "ceremonial" start on Senior Night, and put Drackett in on the first stoppage? Or would you hope the Tigers can get a big enough lead that Short can get in?
 
komey1 said:
Random topic: If RIT has a bye clinched by Saturday (preferably with a win over Niagara), would you give Christian Short a "ceremonial" start on Senior Night, and put Drackett in on the first stoppage? Or would you hope the Tigers can get a big enough lead that Short can get in?
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Random answer:. Why wouldn't you just play Short the whole game and give Drackett the rest and avoid a possible injury to him. With nothing to lose in the standings, it makes sense.

Queue Winters and or Powers on how the world would end of Short were to play 🙃
 
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komey1 said:
It often has felt like the team plays more defensively when they have a lead, and often that gives the opponents more chances, and thus, more goals.
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Komey1, you're missing a few achievements in your signature block!
 
blazer777 said:
Random answer:. Why wouldn't you just play Short the whole game and give Drackett the rest and avoid a possible injury to him. With nothing to lose in the standings, it makes sense.

Queue Winters and or Powers on how the world would end of Short were to play 🙃
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Home ice for the 2nd round isn't exactly "nothing to play for."

In a related matter, is this RIT's best season at the new barn? They're currently sitting at 8-4-1 (with all 4 losses coming on consecutive weekends)
 
jflory81 said:
Home ice for the 2nd round isn't exactly "nothing to play for."

In a related matter, is this RIT's best season at the new barn? They're currently sitting at 8-4-1 (with all 4 losses coming on consecutive weekends)
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I'm sure the radio guys wouldn't mind another trip to let's say Waltham.
 
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komey1 said:
Random topic: If RIT has a bye clinched by Saturday (preferably with a win over Niagara), would you give Christian Short a "ceremonial" start on Senior Night, and put Drackett in on the first stoppage? Or would you hope the Tigers can get a big enough lead that Short can get in?
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With how tight the standings are its virtually impossible for Saturdays game to be meaningless
 
Tom Naeger said:
With how tight the standings are its virtually impossible for Saturdays game to be meaningless
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I tend to agree with Tom on this one, every darn point is important given that we don’t own the tie breaker over any of the teams near us in the standings.

In regard to playing defensively with the lead it’s not only RIT. Remember how we always say a two goal lead is the most dangerous? I watched Army literally give that tie to SHU last Saturday. Even went so far as to take a penalty short before SHU pulled their goalie just to make it easier for a Johnstone from SHU to tie it up. Thought for sure that SHU would win it in OT and they almost did as they had the better chances but Army was able to hold on... Its not just RIT. We need RIT to bust open a close game in the 3rd rather than let their opponents hang around. Would love to see RIT win these last two games with a couple of blowouts with five plus goals per game heading into the playoffs. Regardless it’s going to be exciting. Will be listening to our radio guys.
 
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RIT could have home ice in the second round by Thursday with this scenario: RIT beats Niagara and Sacred Heart loses to AIC on Thursday. That would put the Tigers no lower than 4th.


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Tom Naeger said:
With how tight the standings are its virtually impossible for Saturdays game to be meaningless
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I think it actually is impossible. Although it might depend on one's definition of what is meaningful.
Even if RIT wins tonight and AFA and Bentley both lose on Friday, the Tigers would be in 2nd place, but could still be caught by AFA and or Bentley (and or SHU if they win twice this week, ftm) on Saturday. That is where one's definition of meaningful comes in. All that gets them is to be the "home team" in the semi-finals. They'll still be playing the late game and it's on neutral ice, but it does give them last line change, whatever that's worth.
Of course all this is assuming RIT wins tonight. They've had the Purple Eagles' number so far this season and NU certainly isn't having a great time of it right now, but that's just the perfect combination of circumstances that can create a false sense of security. Hopefully that's just for us fans and not the players/coaches.
 
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blazer777 said:
Random answer:. Why wouldn't you just play Short the whole game and give Drackett the rest and avoid a possible injury to him. With nothing to lose in the standings, it makes sense.

Queue Winters and or Powers on how the world would end of Short were to play &#55357;&#56899;
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Nice, a callout!

To answer your question, I wouldn't play Short because he is a bad goalie and we don't owe him any starts just because he is graduating. If you want to rest Drackett, play Andriano who still has 2 years left for the Tigers. But as discussed in the meantime, RIT most likely will have something to play for on Saturday and winning is more important than patting ourselves on the back for starting our senior on senior night.

Edit: I now get to edit this and say that, since we lost, there is absolutely no way Short plays on Saturday unless we're winning or losing by 5+ in the third.
 
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Wayne when asked about what explanation the officials gave for a missed elbow to the head of an RIT player, "That's our league".

At this point I'm just going to say it, maybe I'm the only one who can. If RIT wants to do their players right, get out of the Atlanta. If it ain't been fix by now it's not going to happen. Best I can say is I have no faith in league leadership.

As for the game, RIT played a good road game and out played Niagara. They absorbed a bad break when a seeing eye shot found its way through a crowd. In the third they dominanted even during the 5 minute PK. The game came down to 3 defensive plays.

First a bad decision in the neutral zone that caused the turnover that lead to the second Niagara goal. What was bizarre was watching the defenseman who turn the puck over chase his dropped stick into the Niagara zone. While there was an odd man rush against our Net!

Then after RIT they had two plays where they moved the Puck had point men could walk in for great scoring chance. One missed the net and the other missed played the puck.

Lucky NU bounce later you not only lose the two points you worked hard for, but also the one point that would earn you a bye and give Gabe an extra week to heal up.

Frankly they deserve it, all the lessons and they still get bit in the tail. An annoying theme for the last two years. Bury the chances boys or its going to be another short playoff run...
 
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Ed Trefzger said:
Are you driving? :)


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I'll pick you up, but I ain't carrying the equipment.

Also guys just leave it be on Short. Kids giving his all, he is a good kid, just let it be...
 
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