>>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again

[antioch1098]

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My bad! Please take "upgrade facility" off my list.

 

[Ivan Lennon]

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RIT would have to make some serious upgrades to their women's hockey program as well before they could be admitted into the ECAC Hockey League. However, if they added some scholarships on the men's side, upgraded their facility, increased overall spending on hockey, upgraded their women's program, and broke into the top twenty nationally on a consistent basis they would be a good fit in the ECAC if a spot opened up.

Even a casual perusal of ECAC posts would reveal that there is a belief among many, if not most, ECAC fans that Quinnipiac, with its most ungentlemanly coach, is a much better fit for Hockey East than the ECAC.
This matter has been dealt w/ in greater detail on many previous occasions.
Philosophically, RIT - already a Liberty League member - would be an ideal replacement.

 

[ritBLKnORGsuit]

RIT would have to make some serious upgrades to their women's hockey program as well before they could be admitted into the ECAC Hockey League. However, if they added some scholarships on the men's side, upgraded their facility, increased overall spending on hockey, upgraded their women's program, and broke into the top twenty nationally on a consistent basis they would be a good fit in the ECAC if a spot opened up.

We've been badgering the NCAA to allow us scholarships but have been unsuccessful. Our women's team has been successful. We won our conference tourney twice in row and made the tourney last year. I think it will be hard for them to succeed like they have down the line though.

 

[fightingsiouxfan16]

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We've been badgering the NCAA to allow us scholarships but have been unsuccessful. Our women's team has been successful. We won our conference tourney twice in row and made the tourney last year. I think it will be hard for them to succeed like they have down the line though.

why cant RIT have scholarships?

 

[ritBLKnORGsuit]

why cant RIT have scholarships?

We are a play up school that came after the NCAA made a rule that says schools that play up to Division I in only one sport cannot offer scholarships. Union is another school like this we both are DIII in every other sport but they choose not to offer scholarships unlike us where we were not allowed too.

 

[fightingsiouxfan16]

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We are a play up school that came after the NCAA made a rule that says schools that play up to Division I in only one sport cannot offer scholarships. Union is another school like this we both are DIII in every other sport.

thats what i thought it was but wanted to make sure what i was thinking was the correct information

 

[LtPowers]

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and broke into the top twenty nationally on a consistent basis they would be a good fit in the ECAC if a spot opened up.

Top 20? How many current ECAC teams are in the top 20 consistently?

Truth is, RIT is going to have a hard time being ranked as long as they're in the AHC. Acceptance to the ECAC would be a prerequisite for being ranked, not a result.


Powers &8^]

 

[antioch1098]

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Wow, it looks like I struck a nerve with my ECAC Hockey League observations. You guys are really sensitive. It is just a game.

If RIT had a better record they would be ranked. Your 18-14-6 is just not going to cut it. If you had Quinnipiac's 29-3-7 record you would be a top five team.

The ECAC Hockey League currently has five teams ranked in the USCHO.com top 20: Quinnipiac #1, Harvard #10, Yale #11, Saint Lawrence #17, and Cornell #19. We consistently have five-seven teams ranked in the top 20 and for most of the year we had three-four teams ranked in the top 10. Atlantic Hockey currently has zero teams ranked in the top 20.

Nevertheless, I still say that either team can win on Saturday. It will be a fun game to watch.

 

[Ed Trefzger]

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The point LtPowers makes is correct, though. Atlantic Hockey's poor non-conference record drags down the PairWise for every team in the league. Robert Morris would be an at-large with its record in any other conference.

 

[QUAlum2004]

The point LtPowers makes is correct, though. Atlantic Hockey's poor non-conference record drags down the PairWise for every team in the league. Robert Morris would be an at-large with its record in any other conference.

Yes but would they have that record in any other conference is the question.

 

[komey1]

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Wow, it looks like I struck a nerve with my ECAC Hockey League observations. You guys are really sensitive. It is just a game.

If RIT had a better record they would be ranked. Your 18-14-6 is just not going to cut it. If you had Quinnipiac's 29-3-7 record you would be a top five team.

The ECAC Hockey League currently has five teams ranked in the USCHO.com top 20: Quinnipiac #1, Harvard #10, Yale #11, Saint Lawrence #17, and Cornell #19. We consistently have five-seven teams ranked in the top 20 and for most of the year we had three-four teams ranked in the top 10. Atlantic Hockey currently has zero teams ranked in the top 20.

Nevertheless, I still say that either team can win on Saturday. It will be a fun game to watch.

If your observations were based in fact, you might have been taken seriously. The only observation that is valid is regarding top 20 teams. You do realize that Atlantic Hockey plays with less scholarships than everyone else but the Ivies and Union.

IMO, RIT would have been in the hunt for hosting first round games in ECAC. Put them in the ECAC and I would bet that they would be a consistent member of the teams receiving votes or in the top 20 within 5 years.

 

[Ivan Lennon]

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See today's developments re ND and ASU which some seem to feel might result in Q Pac joining w/ a more compatible HE leading to an opening for Mechanic's Inst.

Expanding into WNY would be to the mutual benefit of RIT and the ECAC

Pac's leaving would result in many happy faces

 

[Rochester]

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At one time I was a huge advocate for joining the ECAC when I thought RIT would have had to wait another 10 years to join... I now have cold feet about the idea. If RIT has a decent season they will always have a decent chance in being able to make the NCAA's in the AHA due to how pathetic this conference is. I personally like that RIT could regularly make it the big dance. I do not believe the AHA deserves an automatic bid but since RIT is benefiting from this I enjoy seeing them attend every few years, where if they were in the ECAC might not be the case. Maybe I am wrong but I sure love seeing RIT go to the NCAA's!

 

[dpm105]

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Wow, it looks like I struck a nerve with my ECAC Hockey League observations. You guys are really sensitive. It is just a game.

If RIT had a better record they would be ranked. Your 18-14-6 is just not going to cut it. If you had Quinnipiac's 29-3-7 record you would be a top five team.

The ECAC Hockey League currently has five teams ranked in the USCHO.com top 20: Quinnipiac #1, Harvard #10, Yale #11, Saint Lawrence #17, and Cornell #19. We consistently have five-seven teams ranked in the top 20 and for most of the year we had three-four teams ranked in the top 10. Atlantic Hockey currently has zero teams ranked in the top 20.

Nevertheless, I still say that either team can win on Saturday. It will be a fun game to watch.

If you had simply said "RIT Stinks! What a terrible team! They have no chance at being successful!" and got this board all hot and bothered, then yes, the RIT fans would be sensitive. Illustrating, however, that none of your facts seem to be derived from truth is another thing entirely.

 

[dpm105]

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At one time I was a huge advocate for joining the ECAC when I thought RIT would have had to wait another 10 years to join... I now have cold feet about the idea. If RIT has a decent season they will always have a decent chance in being able to make the NCAA's in the AHA due to how pathetic this conference is. I personally like that RIT could regularly make it the big dance. I do not believe the AHA deserves an automatic bid but since RIT is benefiting from this I enjoy seeing them attend every few years, where if they were in the ECAC might not be the case. Maybe I am wrong but I sure love seeing RIT go to the NCAA's!

In my estimation, RIT has reached the ceiling of the levels of success that they can achieve in Atlantic Hockey. RIT needs scholarships or a more prestigious conference to take the program to the next level.

I will gladly take a few more down years if it means that we have an opportunity to compete in the ECAC. I would do anything to have a chance to regularly interact with fans from peer schools who are passionate about the college hockey landscape.

 

[Bing]

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In my estimation, RIT has reached the ceiling of the levels of success that they can achieve in Atlantic Hockey. RIT needs scholarships or a more prestigious conference to take the program to the next level.

I will gladly take a few more down years if it means that we have an opportunity to compete in the ECAC. I would do anything to have a chance to regularly interact with fans from peer schools who are passionate about the college hockey landscape.

I'm with you here. Back in the D3 days, RIT dominated consistently. It's a major reason we made the move to D1. Let's not forget how big of a deal that was. We're a D3 university that has D1 Men's and Women's hockey. That's fantastic. For the Men, we made the move to D1 10 years ago. We play in the worst league in all of D1. Don't get me wrong... Atlantic Hockey has gotten much better over the years, but there's a reason why RIT went into last year's NCAA as the 16 seed and will go into this year's NCAA as the 16 seed - the AHC and it's teams are not at the same level as any other NCAA D1 league.

It's no secret that RIT is not in a position to elevate all of its sports to D1, a prerequisite for offering scholarships. However, RIT has invested heavily in it's Men's and Women's hockey programs, including a brand new arena - the nicest in all of Atlantic Hockey.

Coach Wayne Wilson is somehow able to find diamonds in the rough. Players that have potential. Potential that he can turn into talent and wins. I think that's why RIT is consistently a strong 2nd half of the season team. Wilson takes a bunch of players that individually have some talent and molds a team around those players that is impressive. None of these players are coming to RIT because they think they're punching their ticket to the NHL. None of these players are at RIT because it makes the most financial sense. Sure, some players will receive academic scholarships, but it's not because they're hockey players. RIT has one of the best GPAs in college hockey. Sure, there are a lot of business majors, but our most successful players have included the likes of engineers and biomedical scientists.

So I guess what I'm saying is that RIT attracts unique, one-of-a-kind players that would be better served if RIT were to move to a better conference like ECAC, despite not offering athletic scholarships (why is any institution of higher education allowed to offer athletic scholarships anyways?).

I know RIT isn't an Ivy League school, but it has many of the same characteristics, especially when it comes to athletics. The Ivys don't offer athletic scholarships and yet still compete in better leagues than RIT. Now that RIT has been in the D1 world for a decade, isn't it time to situate ourselves in a competitive league that better reflects our academic and athletic peers?

Thank you for enduring my one long post per year

 

[jflory81]

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I'm with you here. Back in the D3 days, RIT dominated consistently. It's a major reason we made the move to D1. Let's not forget how big of a deal that was. We're a D3 university that has D1 Men's and Women's hockey. That's fantastic. For the Men, we made the move to D1 10 years ago. We play in the worst league in all of D1. Don't get me wrong... Atlantic Hockey has gotten much better over the years, but there's a reason why RIT went into last year's NCAA as the 16 seed and will go into this year's NCAA as the 16 seed - the AHC and it's teams are not at the same level as any other NCAA D1 league.

It's no secret that RIT is not in a position to elevate all of its sports to D1, a prerequisite for offering scholarships. However, RIT has invested heavily in it's Men's and Women's hockey programs, including a brand new arena - the nicest in all of Atlantic Hockey.

Coach Wayne Wilson is somehow able to find diamonds in the rough. Players that have potential. Potential that he can turn into talent and wins. I think that's why RIT is consistently a strong 2nd half of the season team. Wilson takes a bunch of players that individually have some talent and molds a team around those players that is impressive. None of these players are coming to RIT because they think they're punching their ticket to the NHL. None of these players are at RIT because it makes the most financial sense. Sure, some players will receive academic scholarships, but it's not because they're hockey players. RIT has one of the best GPAs in college hockey. Sure, there are a lot of business majors, but our most successful players have included the likes of engineers and biomedical scientists.

So I guess what I'm saying is that RIT attracts unique, one-of-a-kind players that would be better served if RIT were to move to a better conference like ECAC, despite not offering athletic scholarships (why is any institution of higher education allowed to offer athletic scholarships anyways?).

I know RIT isn't an Ivy League school, but it has many of the same characteristics, especially when it comes to athletics. The Ivys don't offer athletic scholarships and yet still compete in better leagues than RIT. Now that RIT has been in the D1 world for a decade, isn't it time to situate ourselves in a competitive league that better reflects our academic and athletic peers?

Thank you for enduring my one long post per year

Fantastic post, and I'm in total agreement. The ECAC is a phenomenal fit for RIT. Let's hope the dominoes fall that way and RIT's leadership has the foresight to take the opportunity.

 

[RIT Winters]

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+1 to the ECAC train.

Though I agree it is nice to always have a chance for that autobid from the AHC - and we always get home ice for our Championship - I would like to see the team aspire to more than simply entering and exiting the NCAA tournament as the 16 seed every few years. Does anyone think we'll ever have a legitimate chance at even being in the National Title conversation with the players we are able to recruit to join a non-scholarship school in a laughing stock conference?

Meanwhile teams like Union and the Ivy's all manage to find ways to be consistently better than even the best RIT teams and are regularly vying for the national championship.

 

[larfretz44]

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I'm absolutely all for going to the ECAC. I'm sure there will be growing pains at first, but that's okay with me. I think with the GPC, which may still be the best facility in the ECAC (I'm not super familiar with all of the rinks, but its better than the ECAC ones that I've been to), and the better competition, we'll begin to see even better recruits come here. Maybe more guys considering Ivy type schools, who knows.

Another great upside is the attendance boost. The only game we sold out this year was to an ECAC team. I know it was sort of a gimmicky way of doing it, but it was still a sellout. Playing Clarkson, RPI, Cornell, Harvard, Yale, Colgate, etc. will draw so many more fans than AIC, Canisius, Bentley, etc. Plus, those schools have way better fan bases that travel like we do, and that just makes for a great atmosphere.

Now I'm getting all excited about this, and it might not even happen.

 

[LTsatch]

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Just spoke to a representative at the Times Union Center, NO re-entry allowed between games on Saturday.