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>>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

I wouldn't judge the outside world by the trials and tribulations of the Union Hockey program and its constant struggle for success over the past nearly 20 years. Anyone who has followed the program will tell you its not been exactly smooth sailing internally there in terms of the support from the administration, etc. There are a lot of factors that come into play when looking at Union's lack of success in the ECACHL, and one shouldn't automatically assume that RIT will have to suffer the same troubles that Union as the program progresses, or transitions to a new conference (which trust me is something that has been discussed in the long term, albeit in broad general terms, but its not off the radar by any means).

I brought up Union simply because of the similar scholarship situation and the commonality of their DIII background. I worked at GE in Schenectady when Ned Harkness restarted the Dutchman program (with the understanding that they were going to DI after the first few years. I remember the significance of their first DIII game against Hobart. Scheduled specifically because Hobart was the last place they played when they originally shut down their program in 1949 ( I wasn't around then :) ). I remember the ruckus when the faculty rose up and stiffled the DI plans and Ned stormed out at the start of the season. I have remained close to a number of Union alum that I worked with at that time and know the pain they went through, going from a DIII powerhouse to a DI doormat. When RIT made the decision to move up, it was their experience and angst that made me very wary of the move. I have been pleasantly surprised and pleased with the move over these first 5 years. I firmly expected it to be much more painful. Now I'm of the feeling that it was the best possible move. Afterall, a 14,000+ student body really doesn't fit the DIII mold.

I understand the differences between the RIT and Union situations. The Tigers appear to have full institutional support. Someone closer to the school like RITProf would be better to address that than me, an alum at a distance. Union on the other hand has suffered with kind of "schizophrenic" administrative support. The school as a whole has always appealed to me as an Ivy-wannabe. Thats not a knock, just an obervation, it is a very good school. I know there are those associated with the school that still regret dropping out of NESCAC.

My biggest point is that making the DIII - DI transition in the AHA vs the ECACHL has probably helped the Tigers progress to the point where they now sit. Being dominant in the league and having the expectation of making it to the Conference championship, and getting the autobid most years helps recruiting. Being in the AHA also has to have a negative impact for some recruits. If that starts to hold RIT back, then I would suspect that will be the time when the Tigers start poking around to see what other "opportunities" might be out there.

One good (or maybe sad) thing to point out is that there has been more discussion of this topic over the last week than there was on all the other AHA related threads all season long. Just another way RIT dominates the league. :) :)
 
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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

Outside of pick'em, RIT would win for the entire year over every other AHA team.
 
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The AHA awards story will be up shortly, but from an RIT standpoint:

1st Team: Ringwald, DeMichiel
2nd Team: Favot
3rd Team: Burt, Tanev

All-Rookie Team: Tanev

Rookie of the Year: Tanev
 
Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

The AHA awards story will be up shortly, but from an RIT standpoint:

1st Team: Ringwald, DeMichiel
2nd Team: Favot
3rd Team: Burt, Tanev

All-Rookie Team: Tanev

Rookie of the Year: Tanev

How did DeMike NOT win Goaltender of the year?
 
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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

Sweep on the awards ceremonies! Let's hope for the same in the games! I will cry if AF wins again.
 
Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

You haven't said exactly, but you seem to inferred it. I would like you to spell it exactly where you thought RIT would be after 5 years at DI.

Your reading comprehension is starting to look a lot like Tom's. I clearly stated "I didn't expect them to be." How is that suggesting ANYTHING else? It CANNOT be any more clearly stated. To claim in inferred anything otherwise is absolutely wrong, and reeks of assumption.

Where did I expect them to be? Honestly, some of the things I will mention are subjective and some objective. From an objective point, I expected the program to be able to have made a trip to the NCAA's by now. I expected the program to be able to maintain at least a .500 record OOC (we aren't exactly able to schedule DI traditional powers on a regular basis right now and given the level of the teams we have been able to schedule I expected better success). I expected this team to have been ranked in the USCHO and/or USA Today poll on multiple occasions for extended periods. I expected the school to have an arena plan on the table and far further underway (although I will acknowledge in this area that the economy has probably derailed this to a large extent and the school has announced a short term solution in terms of a renovation plan for Ritter). I also expected them to make clear plans for the program long term with regards to future conference alignment (not necessarily in public but at least privately), although given the general uncertain landscape of DI hockey in terms of conferences and alignments, I can certainly understand why this particular aspect is not really even on the radar of the administration right now.

Subjectively, I expected this program to be able to start to draw the type of talent you see at the "next level", in terms of both size, speed, and style of play (which I believe begins to come, in part, when you seize the opportunities to put yourself in the national picture, primarily by going to the tournament and/or secondarily achieving recognition by being ranked in the coaches poll). We have some of the best talent, and certainly the best overall talent, in the AHA right now, no question about it. But I am not sure that talent translates to the next level. I expected the programs skill level/style of play to begin to bridge the gap between the level you see in the AHA and the rest of DI and be competitive/successful against teams that play the style of play seen in the ECACHL or WCHA, or CCHA, which is drastically different than AHA play and there is no evidence we are really further down that path now than we were 2 years ago and one could argue that we have actually regressed in that respect given the OOC results...you can say that subjectively we were more competitive, that teams stole games from us, whatever. But reality says that in 6 tries, we won a grand total of none. Simple odds say a reasonably competitive team wins at least 1 of those.
 
Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

I understand the differences between the RIT and Union situations. The Tigers appear to have full institutional support. Someone closer to the school like RITProf would be better to address that than me, an alum at a distance. Union on the other hand has suffered with kind of "schizophrenic" administrative support. The school as a whole has always appealed to me as an Ivy-wannabe. Thats not a knock, just an obervation, it is a very good school. I know there are those associated with the school that still regret dropping out of NESCAC.

My biggest point is that making the DIII - DI transition in the AHA vs the ECACHL has probably helped the Tigers progress to the point where they now sit. Being dominant in the league and having the expectation of making it to the Conference championship, and getting the autobid most years helps recruiting. Being in the AHA also has to have a negative impact for some recruits. If that starts to hold RIT back, then I would suspect that will be the time when the Tigers start poking around to see what other "opportunities" might be out there.

Since you mentioned me ... yes, the institutional support for the Tigers at DI has been very strong and impressive. Moreso than I expected when the move was first announced. It also seems to be there for a move of the women's team to DI, if that can be managed with the NCAA's moratorium, etc. I hope it can happen. Seeing very public statements about plans for building a new arena, etc. are very encouraging for the future.

I've also heard things (very informally) about future moves to other conferences. That, of course, will require some re-organization of DI hockey as a whole since we have a bunch of very full conferences at the moment. My guess is that will happen within the next 5 years or so and that RIT will come out ahead when the music stops. I've heard mention from friends on the ECAC side of things that they would love to have RIT and Niagara if there was space. I've even heard offers once or twice to trade Union for RIT and set up RIT-RPI as travel partners!

Regardless. It is nice to see the discussions (arguments?) here being so deep and involved in the latter part of March and concepts like "national power" being discussed seriously. Think about that everyone ... about 6 years ago Pres. Simone was adamant that we would never have a DI team!!!

Well ... it's Friday!!! Time for the Tigers (and fans) to make some noise at the BCA. I'm thinking RIT-SHU final at the moment.
 
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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

Totally Off Topic, but I was talking to a friend of mine from Canisius last night, they have bus(es) leaving at 1 heading to Blue Cross, he wasn't sure how many people had signed up though.
 
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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

The AHA awards story will be up shortly,

Army for the team sportsmanship award???:rolleyes: :confused:

That stretches credibility a bit doesn't it?

Edit: They do lead the country in shorthand goals. So at least they make the most of the penalties they do take!
 
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Army for the team sportsmanship award???:rolleyes: :confused:

That stretches credibility a bit doesn't it?

Edit: They do lead the country in shorthand goals. So at least they make the most of the penalties they do take!

Wondered about that myself...maybe the voters had a deep sense of irony and a touch of a sarcastic approach towards the award?
 
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Possibly helpful to the people who can't make the game/listen to the radio stream:

A few fans and I usually tweet during the games under the hashtags #rithockey and/or #atlantichockey. You can search both at the twitter website by typing "#rithockey OR #atlantichockey"(or just click the link).

Another alternative would be just following the @RITsports twitter- it's usually pretty good about updating with every goal and end of a period(Canisius has one too- @GoGriffs, but who cares about them? ;))
 
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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

Regardless. It is nice to see the discussions (arguments?) here being so deep and involved in the latter part of March and concepts like "national power" being discussed seriously. Think about that everyone ... about 6 years ago Pres. Simone was adamant that we would never have a DI team!!!

Well ... it's Friday!!! Time for the Tigers (and fans) to make some noise at the BCA. I'm thinking RIT-SHU final at the moment.

Dr. Simone's attitude towards athletics (that he basically despised them) played a large role in his "retirement" from RIT. From what I understand he ultimately lost the fight against DI athletics and as a result decided to "retire"....I'll leave "retire" in quotation marks for those who can't take a hint.

One of Dr. Destler's key attributes, among many, was the role he played in relation to the athletic department at Maryland. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't the only reason he was hired, but that factor I am sure played a role.
 
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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

Totally Off Topic, but I was talking to a friend of mine from Canisius last night, they have bus(es) leaving at 1 heading to Blue Cross, he wasn't sure how many people had signed up though.

I hope RIT is sending a bus or four.


Powers &8^]
 
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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

Army for the team sportsmanship award???:rolleyes: :confused:

That stretches credibility a bit doesn't it?

The Atlantic Hockey Sportsmanship award is not voted on. It is awarded to the team that had the lowest penalty minutes per game in conference play. Army only averaged 10.8 PIM's/game in league contests.
 
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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

The Atlantic Hockey Sportsmanship award is not voted on. It is awarded to the team that had the lowest penalty minutes per game in conference play. Army only averaged 10.8 PIM's/game in league contests.

Thanks, Scott. But isn't that even crazier. I like the general idea that low PIM's/game is a good thing, but there is such a thing as a good penalty and, taking penalties isn't necessarily a sign of poor sportsmanship. Maybe counting the # of 5 and 10 min. penalties would be part. I guess I just see sportsmanship as something that happens both on and off the ice and I wouldn't put Army at the top of the list based on my limited knowledge of AHA games this year (I freely admit I didn't see them all!). Just off the top of my head, I'd put AIC, SHU, AFA, and maybe even Bentley up there. Seems this would be the perfect kind of award to be voted on by the coaches.
 
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Re: >>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

Dr. Simone's attitude towards athletics (that he basically despised them) played a large role in his "retirement" from RIT. From what I understand he ultimately lost the fight against DI athletics and as a result decided to "retire"....I'll leave "retire" in quotation marks for those who can't take a hint.

One of Dr. Destler's key attributes, among many, was the role he played in relation to the athletic department at Maryland. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't the only reason he was hired, but that factor I am sure played a role.

That's quite a bit of revisionist history there. I interacted with Pres. Simone quite a bit and suggested/discussed both D1 hockey and semesters with him as ways to move RIT into a future with better student and alumni atmosphere and spirit. He didn't despise sports at all, but he did despise what D1 sports had done to academics in a lot of places. He wanted RIT to be in an ECAC/Ivy type of league regardless of level. (Note: we are moving in that general direction with the Patriot League, etc.) He also told me in no uncertain terms that D1 hockey wouldn't happen under his tenure, but my understanding is that he was "convinced" by the trustees to believe otherwise. The retirement timing was planned well before that(and was due). He was Pres. for a very long time as far as that goes. He had also suggested to me that semesters would likely happen with the next president.

I don't doubt at all that Pres. Destler's involvement and support of sports at Maryland was a big factor in him getting the job at RIT, but it certainly wasn't the biggest (probably his legit credentials as an active researcher in engineering along with great administrative experience was that).
 
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