>>>>> RIT TIGERS 2009-2010 <<<<< Rockin' Part 2 - The Playoffs

[WestsideTigersFan]

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Yep ... if RIT had gone 6-0 OOC, we'd be sitting here today with RIT ranked about 17th or so and the Tigers still playing for lives this coming weekend. That's pretty much the definition of "means nothing"!

If we had gone 6-0 OOC we might have had a decent shot at an at large had we not gotten the AHA autobid...so care to re think that?

OOC means nothing? My butt it does. It means a lot, except so many RIT fans are just focused on the AHA...quite frankly winning the AHA regular season championship is far more worthless than going undefeated OOC, because at least going undefeated OOC potentially opens up your program to being ranked consistently, draws national attention to your program, and assists in recruiting. Winning the red headed stepchild of hockey conferences is FAR more worthless.

 

[Ed Trefzger]

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If we had gone 6-0 OOC we might have had a decent shot at an at large had we not gotten the AHA autobid...so care to re think that?

It's hard to know exactly without really doing the math in detail. But a 6-0 OOC record given the teams RIT played would help its comparison in the RPI somewhat though it would not impact it in its record against TUC as RIT played no teams under consideration.

Just looking at it quickly, it would probably make RIT a bubble team at best -- say around 13, 14 or 15. When AFA had its great run last year, it only made it about that far, about on the bubble. Add a playoff loss to that and it would likely drop the team a couple of notches.

The whole league needs to step up its OOC record in order for a team from AHA to have an at-large shot.

 

[burgie12]

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Yep ... if RIT had gone 6-0 OOC, we'd be sitting here today with RIT ranked about 17th or so and the Tigers still playing for lives this coming weekend. That's pretty much the definition of "means nothing"!

If RIT had gone 6-0-0 in OOC this season, they'd be sitting 4th in the PWR with 21 comparison wins. Check it out yourself in the DIY rankings

ETA: One of the things you can change is "Game Results:" RIT's code is "RT". So, find all the non-conference games that include "RT" (they'll be denoted by an NC) and change RIT's score so it's greater than the opponents'. Make sure that you change the radio button such that the specified results are used, not the real results.

 

[mar7967]

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So any guess's on ATTENDANCE? I know it is at 4... Which may or may not kill the attendance. All depends on what transportation students have. But If It is an Air Force RIT Final saturday I could imagine close to 10,000.

I highly doubt you will see anything NEAR 10,000, even with an RIT/AF final game. Brick City weekend - the weekend that we had tons of alumni and families in town, and a game that was promoted for months before the event, drew 7400. This game has not been marketed at all (other than at home games and commercials during the broadcasts), and I would be surprised to see 5000 there. I expect more like 2000-2500 for Friday's early game, and then maybe 3000-3500 if we make it to Saturday. I have not heard anything at all about buses for students, so I don't think it's happening.

As much as I would LOVE to see 10,000 people there, I don't think it is realistic at all.

 

[kbranch]

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I highly doubt you will see anything NEAR 10,000, even with an RIT/AF final game. Brick City weekend - the weekend that we had tons of alumni and families in town, and a game that was promoted for months before the event, drew 7400. This game has not been marketed at all (other than at home games and commercials during the broadcasts), and I would be surprised to see 5000 there. I expect more like 2000-2500 for Friday's early game, and then maybe 3000-3500 if we make it to Saturday. I have not heard anything at all about buses for students, so I don't think it's happening.

As much as I would LOVE to see 10,000 people there, I don't think it is realistic at all.

I am terrible at guessing attendance, but with no assurance that RIT will play saturday I agree we probably won't get close to 7400. I hope I am wrong - I know a lot of non-regulars who are looking forward to it.

 

[Tiger98]

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It's hard to know exactly without really doing the math in detail. But a 6-0 OOC record given the teams RIT played would help its comparison in the RPI somewhat though it would not impact it in its record against TUC as RIT played no teams under consideration.

Just looking at it quickly, it would probably make RIT a bubble team at best -- say around 13, 14 or 15. When AFA had its great run last year, it only made it about that far, about on the bubble. Add a playoff loss to that and it would likely drop the team a couple of notches.

The whole league needs to step up its OOC record in order for a team from AHA to have an at-large shot.

Won't 2 more teams in the league next year limit the number of OOC games we have to win even more, or will that number stay the same and we just play less against certain AHA teams?

 

[LtPowers]

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I don't think RIT has a chance of being ranked in the Top 20 unless they win the Atlatic Tourament....

Considering the only way we don't win the AHA is if we lose a game this weekend, it makes sense that we wouldn't move up. =)


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[LtPowers]

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Won't 2 more teams in the league next year limit the number of OOC games we have to win even more, or will that number stay the same and we just play less against certain AHA teams?

The 12-team schedule will involve three games each against six teams and four games each against the other five. We have seven non-conference games next year.


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[LtPowers]

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I took a look at the Canisius v. Mercyhurst box scores and noticed that our good friend Carl Hudson from Canisius managed a 5-Minute Major and Game Misconduct on Saturday night. Mercyhurst scored 3 goals on the ensuing PP.

Look again. Hudson's major occurred while Canisius was already down two men, so it didn't actually start counting down until Mercyhurst scored its first 5-on-3 goal. So Mercyhurst scored and continued to be up two men after the goal as Hudson's major started counting. 'Hurst scored again, which got one Griff out of the box, but they took another three penalties before Hudson's major expired, leading to a third 5-on-3 goal for the Lakers.

So, yeah, Canisius is a team loaded with cheap-shotting goons. We just have to make sure we score on the PP and hope we don't take any injuries.


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[RITProf]

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If we had gone 6-0 OOC we might have had a decent shot at an at large had we not gotten the AHA autobid...so care to re think that?

OOC means nothing? My butt it does. It means a lot, except so many RIT fans are just focused on the AHA...quite frankly winning the AHA regular season championship is far more worthless than going undefeated OOC, because at least going undefeated OOC potentially opens up your program to being ranked consistently, draws national attention to your program, and assists in recruiting. Winning the red headed stepchild of hockey conferences is FAR more worthless.

If it is true that RIT would be 4th in the PWR and stay there with a loss in the AHA tournament, then yes I would rethink it. I'm not going to run the numbers myself, but that would be quite a surprise.

However, I doubt that would be true if any significant numbers of AHA losses were added and if it weren't strong enough to keep us in an at large spot with a loss in the AHA playoffs (a la Bemidji), then I stick to what I said. (And you can't say the 4th in the PWR would hold, because it is not just RIT games that could have different results ... it's all speculation. E.g. if other AHA teams lost key OOC games then RIT's PWR would drop, etc.)

In the long run, I agree on the whole OOC win thing being good and what is needed to elevate the league and maybe move on to another league. For this year, I'll stick with pretty **** close to meaningless. You are fooling yourself if you think an NCAA bid is "FAR more worthless". And RIT probably also wouldn't be ranked at all with a 6-0 OOC record and a poor showing in your supposedly "FAR more worthless" league standings.

Where we agree, I think, is that it would be nice to see the OOC schedule strong enough (and the league overall strong enough) that at-large bids for one or two AHA teams can be sewn up before the playoffs (again, see Bemidji and several others). At that point, I would obviously not say they are meaningless.

Also, if we get another OOC game this year ... that one won't be meaningless (and all the rest will be even moreso).

Perhaps it is your butt that has issues???

 

[WestsideTigersFan]

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If it is true that RIT would be 4th in the PWR and stay there with a loss in the AHA tournament, then yes I would rethink it. I'm not going to run the numbers myself, but that would be quite a surprise.

However, I doubt that would be true if any significant numbers of AHA losses were added and if it weren't strong enough to keep us in an at large spot with a loss in the AHA playoffs (a la Bemidji), then I stick to what I said. (And you can't say the 4th in the PWR would hold, because it is not just RIT games that could have different results ... it's all speculation. E.g. if other AHA teams lost key OOC games then RIT's PWR would drop, etc.)

In the long run, I agree on the whole OOC win thing being good and what is needed to elevate the league and maybe move on to another league. For this year, I'll stick with pretty **** close to meaningless. You are fooling yourself if you think an NCAA bid is "FAR more worthless". And RIT probably also wouldn't be ranked at all with a 6-0 OOC record and a poor showing in your supposedly "FAR more worthless" league standings.

Where we agree, I think, is that it would be nice to see the OOC schedule strong enough (and the league overall strong enough) that at-large bids for one or two AHA teams can be sewn up before the playoffs (again, see Bemidji and several others). At that point, I would obviously not say they are meaningless.

Also, if we get another OOC game this year ... that one won't be meaningless (and all the rest will be even moreso).

Perhaps it is your butt that has issues???

Here's the thing...lets say for the sake of the discussion that RIT had 1 or 2 more losses in conference, say to Sacred Heart or AFA and for whatever reason didn't win the AHA regular season title, but they went out and swept the out of conference schedule, but lost in the AHA final to the winner of the conference. Their first avenue to the NCAA's would be closed (the autobid). They would still likely have a shot at an at large and could get in that way (and doing the math it would be close)...remember, the ultimate goal is to get to the NCAA's. And you want to give yourself as many avenues as you can to do it. Winning the AHA regular season title has ZERO bearing ultimately in terms of getting to the NCAA's...yes, you have to have a very good in conference record, no question...however, a excellent out of conference record, coupled with a VERY good conference record gives you ultimately 2 shots at the goal, as opposed to 1, should you fail to get the auto-bid.

I can't see how anyone would consider one of the potential avenues to the NCAA as meaningless. That makes no sense, especially in light of the fact that everyone seems to be in agreement that the goal is to get to the NCAA tournament. Why would you completely ignore one of the avenues to get there? Nevermind the other factors regarding a successful out of conference record that we have already discussed.

 

[komey1]

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This speaks to the point I took tremendous heat for earlier this season, that in terms of national recognition, a program that has success when playing OOC is critical. If RIT was at least .500 OOC this season, they would more than likely be ranked. Being ranked is a recruiting tool, make no mistake about it. Potential recruits who log on to various websites and see the program mentioned in the rankings along side long time powers might be more inclined to consider RIT on that level, especially if that happens on a consistent basis. And its part of the process of gaining national recognition for the program and the school. Winning the AHA regular season championship is only a couple of spots further along the food chain beyond being named the best hockey player in El Salvador.

I still think you are overstating the OOC games. Yes, it helps to start winning these games. I don't know if RIT would be ranked if they went 3-3 in the OOC games. Pollsters will always gravitate towards the "name" schools. Also RIT would still need to have a dominating conference record.

I don't think being ranked in USCHO matters as much as you might think. I don't think RIT will get any real blue chippers because of the lack of scholarships. Conference affiliation hurts there unless OTHER teams get better as well.

 

[RITProf]

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I can't see how anyone would consider one of the potential avenues to the NCAA as meaningless. That makes no sense, especially in light of the fact that everyone seems to be in agreement that the goal is to get to the NCAA tournament. Why would you completely ignore one of the avenues to get there? Nevermind the other factors regarding a successful out of conference record that we have already discussed.

For me, only because I believe that our current OOC schedule, combined with the AHA schedule and some inevitable losses, isn't strong enough for a realistic shot at an at large bid. I might be wrong on that from the numbers mentioned earlier, but I still don't think so. When that changes, I'm all on board with the importance of them for earning the NCAA bid ... but it can't be done now without virtually running the table in the AHA and a very successful and strong OOC season. I still think the auto-bid is the only viable route. Once that changes (and maybe it already did) then, yes, the OOC games become just as meaningful as the AHA games that are our current route to the NCAA (regular season to get a good seeding) and then the tournament to get it done.

 

[bjdrit]

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I highly doubt you will see anything NEAR 10,000, even with an RIT/AF final game. Brick City weekend - the weekend that we had tons of alumni and families in town, and a game that was promoted for months before the event, drew 7400. This game has not been marketed at all (other than at home games and commercials during the broadcasts), and I would be surprised to see 5000 there. I expect more like 2000-2500 for Friday's early game, and then maybe 3000-3500 if we make it to Saturday. I have not heard anything at all about buses for students, so I don't think it's happening.

As much as I would LOVE to see 10,000 people there, I don't think it is realistic at all.

Yeah, and the other thing is that Brick City tickets were cheap for alums. These tickets aren't cheap. I'd like to think 4K might be realistic if they make the finals, but with the lack of lead time and the ticket prices, who knows. I'd be very happy with 2K Friday. I think we've seen at least on example on this board of a whole family that can't make it because of the early start. I will probably be able to go (depending on when a meeting ends), but my wife will not. There's a lot of cases that take the non-student diehards out, and I just don't see any casual fans showing on Friday at 4pm. It'll be an uphill battle for sure.

 

[Eighty-5]

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The bottom line is they didn't win the OOC games and the over-all Atlantic OOC record this year dropped which also hurts. I think RIT is capable of winning games outside the Atlantic hockey but need their game-breakers like Burt, Brenner, Ringwald, Tanev and Demike to step-up in that situation. All their players are good enough to play against to competition but I think those are the guys that can regularly be difference makers in that situation.

Also with the upcoming weekend, although the games are clearly the most excited and only really important part, I would be very disappointed to see Tanev not win rookie of the year. I know Delong will be in the mix, but in conference, which is all that is supposed to be considered, Tanev only had 6 pts less from the blue line (3 extra games played) and is a defensive stud also. He is an unheard of +27 in conference showing how much influence he has on the game at both ends of the ice.

 

[XCTiger]

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Just a little break from the playoff and OOC game discussions.

On the Future Tiger Front:

2011 Tiger recruit and current Powell River King forward Matt Garbowsky was just named BCHL player of the week. Through two rounds of the BCHL playoffs, the 5'10" 170lb centerman is leading the league with 11goals and 9assists over 9 games for a 2.2 ppg average. His 11 goals represent 25% of the scoring for the Kings (41g total). So far in the the playoffs he's the man for Powell River.

Garbowsky a BCHL Rookie from St George, Ontario finished the regular season with 27g 26a 53pts over 51 games.

http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/newsletter.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&page=43371

His teamate and 2010 Tiger, goalie Josh Watson has a 8-1 record and 1.56 gaa, with a .924 sv% in the playoffs. Watson finished up the season with a 21-12-1 record over 35 games, playing 2085 minutes with a .919 sv% and a 2.27 gaa. He was 5th overall in the league based on gaa.

 

[cplinford]

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Just a little break from the playoff and OOC game discussions.

On the Future Tiger Front:

2011 Tiger recruit and current Powell River King forward Matt Garbowsky was just named BCHL player of the week. Through two rounds of the BCHL playoffs, the 5'10" 170lb centerman is leading the league with 11goals and 9assists over 9 games for a 2.2 ppg average. His 11 goals represent 25% of the scoring for the Kings (41g total). So far in the the playoffs he's the man for Powell River.

Garbowsky a BCHL Rookie from St George, Ontario finished the regular season with 27g 26a 53pts over 51 games.

http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/newsletter.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393&page=43371

His teamate and 2010 Tiger, goalie Josh Watson has a 8-1 record and 1.56 gaa, with a .924 sv% in the playoffs. Watson finished up the season with a 21-12-1 record over 35 games, playing 2085 minutes with a .919 sv% and a 2.27 gaa. He was 5th overall in the league based on gaa.

I'm liking what I'm seeing unfortunately it may not translate into the college game (still waiting on Knowles to breakout) but here's hoping it does

 

[Tom Naeger]

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Ok enough with out of conference schedule and polls and to something more relevant like the biggest game in school this Friday.

Top to bottom RIT is a much more solid team than what has been a very inconsistent Griffs team this season. However in a one game playoff they are very dangerous. If this was a series final four RIT would be a big favorite, but the single games make it a different ball game. RIT must shutdown the Shupe, Scarsella, and Conacher line and stay out of the box. We all know how much we love Hudson, but on the power play he is lethal with his shot from the point. RIT also needs to put in a full effort on Kostuch and Heidingers line. If RIT shutdown those two top line it hard to see Canisius winning unless Jason Week has a coming out party. Dan Morrison will most likely be in nets, RIT lit him up last game will make you wonder what his mind set will be.

BTW, Jared DeMike last weekend brought RIT D-I playoff Goals Against down from 4.57 a game all the way down to 4. It was nice to see him have a solid second game after a big softie the first game, he can not let Canisisus back into the game like that if RIT is going to play there next biggest game in school history on Saturday night.

Want to say with all due respect to all the great players who have worn the
RIT Tiger uniform and played great games, that this is the biggest game for the national attention of the D-I Tournament

 

[MattS]

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Want to say with all due respect to all the great players who have worn the RIT Tiger uniform and played great games, that this is the biggest game for the national attention of the D-I Tournament

Let me get this straight....you're saying that a AHA semi-final game against Canisius is the biggest game????

 

[cplinford]

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Looks like they schedule a Section V all-star hockey game before the Saturday game. Might help attendance some. I thik they have done this in the past too correct?