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Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

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No indictment for the NYPD chokehold officer.

Here we go again.
 
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SJHovey said:
Seems to me it depends. Do "all other black guys" disagree with the statements the one black guy made?

1. There is no excuse for people to be out there burning down people's businesses, burning down police cars.

2. We have to be really careful with cops, because if it wasn't for cops we would be living in the wild, wild west in our neighborhoods.

3. We can't pick out certain incidentals (sic?) that don't go our way and act like the cops are all bad. Do you know how bad some of these neighborhoods would be if it wasn't for the cops?

4. Them j a c k a s s e s who are looting... those aren't real black people, those are scumbags. The real black people, they're not out there looting.
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You didn't get the memo, I guess. These days, the truth of a statement depends upon who says it. If the New York Times says it, it is gospel, but if The New York Post says exactly the same thing, word for word, it must be rejected.
 
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SJHovey said:
Cops are in power because we put them in power. We want them to be in power. We expect them to use the power. You think it's unjustified, or harassment. Fine, obey, but then fight the speeding ticket in court or file a harassment complaint with the school board or the state human rights department. You want to disobey, or mouth off, or tell the cop to eff off, or some other aggressive, non-compliant response, be prepared to pay the consequences.
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and people have little idea of what might be lurking in wait for the police at any random moment. a few weeks ago in our town (a nice sleepy little small town in which most of the arrests are for shoplifting at Walmart), two police spotted a car that was reported stolen. they asked the person inside to get out. he did, and then assaulted them, and even though it was him against two, he was big enough and strong enough to injure both of them. eventually they were able to subdue him, at some personal risk of bodily harm.

if a routine traffic stop suddenly becomes life-threatening, in a sleepy small town like ours, then you have to wonder how difficult it must be for them to put up with "attitude" from the very same people they are sworn to serve and protect in a much more challenging environment.
 
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FreshFish said:
and people have little idea of what might be lurking in wait for the police at any random moment. a few weeks ago in our town (a nice sleepy little small town in which most of the arrests are for shoplifting at Walmart), two police spotted a car that was reported stolen. they asked the person inside to get out. he did, and then assaulted them, and even though it was him against two, he was big enough and strong enough to injure both of them. eventually they were able to subdue him, at some personal risk of bodily harm.

if a routine traffic stop suddenly becomes life-threatening, in a sleepy small town like ours, then you have to wonder how difficult it must be for them to put up with "attitude" from the very same people they are sworn to serve and protect in a much more challenging environment.
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A very close friend of mine used to be a deputy sheriff out of Fargo, ND. I casually mentioned to him one day that during the few occasions I had been pulled over by the police, I usually did them the favor of getting out of my car and having my drivers license ready for them when they approached, but on one occasion, when it was bitterly cold, and I was equally bitter for having been pulled over for barely exceeding the speed limit, I just waited for him in my nice, warm vehicle.

My friend's response shocked me. He told me I was lucky I hadn't been shot. For what? He said that just getting out of the car would have immediately raised huge alarms with the patrolmen and they were probably ready to draw on me until they saw I wasn't visibly carrying a weapon.

I'll admit, that surprised me. But it was interesting to hear it from a cop's perspective. It has to be a very terrifying job.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Do tell.
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You have a lot of experience living in the "real world" of minority neighborhoods, going to houses in poverty-stricken areas and listening to people's stories and concerns, visiting schools and seeing text books that are decades old?

Please, share your wealth of experience in this regard.
 
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SJHovey said:
A very close friend of mine used to be a deputy sheriff out of Fargo, ND.
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Here lately that's a good job to used to have. OK, in fairness, the Cass Sheriff's Office seems pretty smooth; FPD however ...

The cops I know always told folks if they're pulled over just put your hands at the 12 o'clock position on the steering wheel and wait.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I don't get this one. I understand why the Ferguson one went the way it did but this one makes no sense to me at all.
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It's OK for cops to kill people.

Now, go lecture China about human rights abuses.
 
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Priceless said:
You have a lot of experience living in the "real world" of minority neighborhoods, going to houses in poverty-stricken areas and listening to people's stories and concerns, visiting schools and seeing text books that are decades old?

Please, share your wealth of experience in this regard.
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I have years of experience being a parent and sending my kids to schools where a very small percentage of the student body takes up a large percentage of the faculty's time - which is what my comment was in regards to.


I see what's going on in public schools and the challenges that educators face everyday. The challenges that non-disruptive kids face, just trying to have a normal school experience.

I see it on a weekly basis in the halls of my kid's middle school as I'm dropping him off. At the bi-annual band and chorus concerts. At school dances and other functions.



Of course, you're going to excuse it all because of the home environment that the disruptive kids kids come from, right?

The rest of us should put up with their BS at school because society and life aren't fair?


Understanding where it stems from and being blindly tolerant and accepting of it out of PC BS are two different things.
 
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Priceless said:
You have a lot of experience living in the "real world" of minority neighborhoods, going to houses in poverty-stricken areas and listening to people's stories and concerns, visiting schools and seeing text books that are decades old?

Please, share your wealth of experience in this regard.
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My hand is raised. Been there; done that. Didn't buy the t-shirt; donated the money to the school PTA (what there was of it) instead.

"Mont Pleasant" in Schenectady is a misnomer. Then again, Arbor Hill in Albany and the projects in Troy make it look half decent. Sad thing is there are a couple of neighborhoods in Fargo that are veering toward Mont Pleasant status, and those kids go to, you guessed it, Fargo South HS.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
No indictment for the NYPD chokehold officer.

Here we go again.
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6 PM. Union Square.

I wonder if they'll burn down the Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center before the lighting ceremony, or wait until after it's lit.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I don't get this one. I understand why the Ferguson one went the way it did but this one makes no sense to me at all.
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Agreed. This one is hard to explain.

Will be interesting to hear the evidence.
 
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