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Regional Rankings

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The photo on the other site in the Road to Lake Placid article appears to be of the most scenic roads in the Adirondacks. NYS Rte 73, also known as Cascade Road. This particular photo looks like it is taken about halfway between Lake Placid and Keene, NY While you are in Placid for the final 4, I would suggest taking a trip between games along one or more of these beautiful roads in the area. Enjoy the weekend.

Yes......please take the time to check out the area scenery. But the road in the photo is headed from Lake Placid to Keene. The Cascade is actually on the left traveling from Keene to Lake Placid. But the area scenery is great,don't miss it.
 
Yes......please take the time to check out the area scenery. But the road in the photo is headed from Lake Placid to Keene. The Cascade is actually on the left traveling from Keene to Lake Placid. But the area scenery is great,don't miss it.

Agree 100%
 
Yes......please take the time to check out the area scenery. But the road in the photo is headed from Lake Placid to Keene. The Cascade is actually on the left traveling from Keene to Lake Placid. But the area scenery is great,don't miss it.

I believe I did say from Cascade Rd, Rt 73
 
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Somebody is missing from the East Rankings. Where are the Cadets?

No kidding... What are they smoking to place Buff State and (more egregiously, Plymouth) in ahead of NU, and to have Plymouth ahead of Utica, who was "ranked" and should be behind NU? One would have to assume that this initial ranking is just a way to set the table down the road for some possible machinations... Such a tiresome exercise of officially-sanctioned BS. No wonder D-3 hockey gets no respect.

How about this: if D-3 is so in love with the silly weekend AQ's, fine, but let the rest of the field be chosen via any objective measure. That could be KRACH, could be RPI, could be a PWR of some sort, but for God's sake make it transparent, already. Pretty sure that there's no iron-clad ridiculous D-3 by-law that precludes that, and the field therefore selects itself, and the committee will only be called-upon to site the games.

(Yes, another can of worms there.)
 
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No kidding... What are they smoking to place Buff State and (more egregiously, Plymouth) in ahead of NU, and to have Plymouth ahead of Utica, who was "ranked" and should be behind NU? One would have to assume that this initial ranking is just a way to set the table down the road for some possible machinations... Such a tiresome exercise of officially-sanctioned BS. No wonder D-3 hockey gets no respect.

How about this: if D-3 is so in love with the silly weekend AQ's, fine, but let the rest of the field be chosen via any objective measure. That could be KRACH, could be RPI, could be a PWR of some sort, but for God's sake make it transparent, already. Pretty sure that there's no iron-clad ridiculous D-3 by-law that precludes that, and the field therefore selects itself, and the committee will only be called-upon to site the games.

(Yes, another can of worms there.)

Refer to the Static Sheets at www.ncaa.com and it may help you understand why the rankings are what the are. Only W/L percentage and SOS were used this week.
 
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How about this: if D-3 is so in love with the silly weekend AQ's, fine, but let the rest of the field be chosen via any objective measure. That could be KRACH, could be RPI, could be a PWR of some sort, but for God's sake make it transparent, already. Pretty sure that there's no iron-clad ridiculous D-3 by-law that precludes that, and the field therefore selects itself, and the committee will only be called-upon to site the games.

(Yes, another can of worms there.)

No, the same can of worms...:o
 
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How about this: if D-3 is so in love with the silly weekend AQ's, fine, but let the rest of the field be chosen via any objective measure. That could be KRACH, could be RPI, could be a PWR of some sort, but for God's sake make it transparent, already. Pretty sure that there's no iron-clad ridiculous D-3 by-law that precludes that, and the field therefore selects itself, and the committee will only be called-upon to site the games.

(Yes, another can of worms there.)

D3 is in love with the AQ? Try the entire NCAA outside of D1 football.

The NCAA operates national tournaments of conference champions, with other teams added to fill out the field. There is no claim that these are the best 11, 32, 68 teams (whatever the number is for that sport) in the country.

And it's clear the schools want it this way... and likely most of the public as well.

The schools want it because that's what they've chosen, of course. And, other than the few independents out there in whatever sport, EVERY team knows it has one simple, logical path to the NCAA tournament: win your conference's automatic bid. Unlike the B1G not making the College Football Playoff this year, in all other sports and divisions, the conference winner goes. Everyone else is, for lack of a better word, "filler."

Fans like it, too. Take the D1 basketball tournament. They want to see Florida Gulf Coast win its lower-echelon conference and then make it to the Sweet 16. That's the excitement of the tournament. I would rather see another Horizon, MEAC or Atlantic Sun team than the 8th B1G team. Not going to happen most times, of course. But Cinderella is usually the conference winner from a non-power league.

Of course, it is more problematic when D3 hockey or D3 football doesn't have nearly the same number of at-large bids as the D1 hoops monstrosity. But that tourney pays the bills, too.

So I get not liking it, but it is here for a reason, as I see it: the schools & conferences want to guarantee their opportunity & representation, respectively, in the national tournament. And when you accept that it is not claiming to be the tourney of the best "x" number of teams, it makes more sense. At least to me.
 
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D3 is in love with the AQ? Try the entire NCAA outside of D1 football.

The NCAA operates national tournaments of conference champions, with other teams added to fill out the field. There is no claim that these are the best 11, 32, 68 teams (whatever the number is for that sport) in the country.

And it's clear the schools want it this way... and likely most of the public as well.

The schools want it because that's what they've chosen, of course. And, other than the few independents out there in whatever sport, EVERY team knows it has one simple, logical path to the NCAA tournament: win your conference's automatic bid. Unlike the B1G not making the College Football Playoff this year, in all other sports and divisions, the conference winner goes. Everyone else is, for lack of a better word, "filler."

Fans like it, too. Take the D1 basketball tournament. They want to see Florida Gulf Coast win its lower-echelon conference and then make it to the Sweet 16. That's the excitement of the tournament. I would rather see another Horizon, MEAC or Atlantic Sun team than the 8th B1G team. Not going to happen most times, of course. But Cinderella is usually the conference winner from a non-power league.

Of course, it is more problematic when D3 hockey or D3 football doesn't have nearly the same number of at-large bids as the D1 hoops monstrosity. But that tourney pays the bills, too.

So I get not liking it, but it is here for a reason, as I see it: the schools & conferences want to guarantee their opportunity & representation, respectively, in the national tournament. And when you accept that it is not claiming to be the tourney of the best "x" number of teams, it makes more sense. At least to me.

Another reason...In D1 Hoops....Look at Vermont (UVM) they have won 16 straight games in the conference, they will probably end up with the auto bid by winning the conference playoffs.....without that Vermont would NOT have a chance at dancing !
 
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Another reason...In D1 Hoops....Look at Vermont (UVM) they have won 16 straight games in the conference, they will probably end up with the auto bid by winning the conference playoffs.....without that Vermont would NOT have a chance at dancing !

Said this a bunch of times, but if you're going to award AQ's, at least do so on the basis of the entire season. Far more equitable that way. It's utterly illogical to implement a system that allows a weekend tournament to negate the entire preceding body of work.
 
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Said this a bunch of times, but if you're going to award AQ's, at least do so on the basis of the entire season. Far more equitable that way. It's utterly illogical to implement a system that allows a weekend tournament to negate the entire preceding body of work.

And as I've said many times, it's up to the conference to decide the AQ. The Ivy League and even the Big Ten used to not have a conference tournament at all in basketball. Then $$$ changed that. Regular season champ certainly is a better indicator than one/two weekends of play. (With one rare exception, and that's if a first place team is terrible at the end of the season due to say injuries or suspensions and/or another team is ripping hot down the stretch and is truly the best team in the conference come playoff time; but then, there is always a tradeoff, and that's a rare circumstance.)

Of course, that doesn't mean the NCAA can't dictate how to decide the AQ, but apparently the schools don't want them to. Remember, it's the schools that make the decisions on how to run the NCAA. The NCAA merely enacts and enforces the schools' wishes.
 
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KRACH MEANS NOTIHING...the NCAA does their own metrics.

That's my point, kinda, thank you!

The D-3 "metrics" are not metrics at all. It's a sham, a shell-game, or however you want to parse it.

The committee is free to weigh the "criteria" in any fashion they care to, which completely negates any concept of statistical integrity... Then, it has yet another layer of BS available to them (as in: the "secondary criteria") to cover its tracks, if need be, and thus can select the AL's with impunity. It's a deeply flawed system, with no accountability to be seen.

It amazes me that so many people on here are just fine with this ruse, as though the D-3 process is as inevitable as Death and taxes. :rolleyes:
 
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