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Regional Rankings

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CCC Fan said:
I'm thinking Salve makes the final four. They've had a very strong OOC schedule and won them all. Within conference they have been very strong and the CCC night be the strongest conference in the east this year with really good teams, especially in one through six who have all played well OOC. Looking forward to see how they do this weekend against Nichols, a possible sleeper is Brennan returns to himself before his injury and flu bug.
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They lost to Utica 3-1 and Morrisvile OOC games.
 
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I think it was Bill Parcels who said "you first gotta get invited to the dance, if you get that, then anything can happen" or something like that... maybe it wasn't Parcels... I don't know... but that is the first step, get the invite!

I agree with CCC Fan, I think the CCC has been the strongest conference in the east this year. I believe UNE went 7-0-0 in OOC games. Bowdoin (2), Colby (2), Geneseo (1), Norwich (1) ( that was a theft game!), USM (1). They also won both exhibitions against USM and St.A's.
 
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Adam_Krug#1 said:
That's why D3 needs to go to the KRACH, or RPI system. I've heard from some on here thats the only way to go.
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That is not up to DIII hockey. There's no choice unless the schools want to leave the NCAA en masse and start a new organization governing the sport.
 
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altazo said:
Gotcha.

Just to clarify, you do understand that it is better to lose against a weak team than a ranked team, right? It might not make a whole lot of logical sense, but in the western region for example, a loss to Adrian is worse on your resume than a loss to Hamline would be.
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Did I know it? Yes. Did I forget about it when making my comment? Also yes. :o

That's an interesting dynamic. You're punished in strength of schedule if you schedule bad teams out of conference. But then you're punished if you schedule good teams and lose. Bit of a Catch-22.
 
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NUProf said:
That is not up to DIII hockey. There's no choice unless the schools want to leave the NCAA en masse and start a new organization governing the sport.
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Not to be tiresome (again), but is D-3 alone in this? (To wit: D-1 football used a rigid KRACH-like metric for a few years recently, D-! hockey has the PWR which closely echos the RPI, and D-1 hoops openly cites the RPI when selecting the lower seeds...)
 
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CCC Fan said:
I'm thinking Salve makes the final four. They've had a very strong OOC schedule and won them all. Within conference they have been very strong and the CCC night be the strongest conference in the east this year with really good teams, especially in one through six who have all played well OOC. Looking forward to see how they do this weekend against Nichols, a possible sleeper is Brennan returns to himself before his injury and flu bug.
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I don't know about the FF, but in my estimation Salve is a mortal lock for a berth.
 
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dinocoach said:
I think it was Bill Parcels who said "you first gotta get invited to the dance, if you get that, then anything can happen" or something like that... maybe it wasn't Parcels... I don't know... but that is the first step, get the invite!

I agree with CCC Fan, I think the CCC has been the strongest conference in the east this year. I believe UNE went 7-0-0 in OOC games. Bowdoin (2), Colby (2), Geneseo (1), Norwich (1) ( that was a theft game!), USM (1). They also won both exhibitions against USM and St.A's.
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I don't think that there's any reasonable doubt that the CCC is the strongest Eastern conference, at least at the top.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Not to be tiresome (again), but is D-3 alone in this? (To wit: D-1 football used a rigid KRACH-like metric for a few years recently, D-! hockey has the PWR which closely echos the RPI, and D-1 hoops openly cites the RPI when selecting the lower seeds...)
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By agreement, all D3 sports follow the same rules for selection in all sports. D1 is different. D2 is similar to D3, but they use different criteria. The presidents and athletic directors in each division make the rules. The D3 group has determined these rules. The criteria in D3 have been modified from time to time but those modifications apply to all sports. In D1, each sport is governed individually, and the football bowl system operates outside of the NCAA, but is subject to D1 rules.

The philosophy of the D3 governing body is the one set of rules should govern all sports. (Obviously, there is a difference between individual and team sports, but individual sports have the same kinds of rules for their championships as well, such as track and field, gymnastics, tennis, golf, etc.)
 
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NUProf said:
By agreement, all D3 sports follow the same rules for selection in all sports. D1 is different. D2 is similar to D3, but they use different criteria. The presidents and athletic directors in each division make the rules. The D3 group has determined these rules. The criteria in D3 have been modified from time to time but those modifications apply to all sports. In D1, each sport is governed individually, and the football bowl system operates outside of the NCAA, but is subject to D1 rules.

The philosophy of the D3 governing body is the one set of rules should govern all sports. (Obviously, there is a difference between individual and team sports, but individual sports have the same kinds of rules for their championships as well, such as track and field, gymnastics, tennis, golf, etc.)
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You just supported my point.

D-3 chooses to tie it's own hands re: employing an objective set of criteria, for whatever obscure reason. (It brings to mind the Electoral College, vis-a-vis its illogical nature. That sort of system is the product of antiquated thought-process, if you ask me.)
 
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Fishman'81 said:
You just supported my point.

D-3 chooses to tie it's own hands re: employing an objective set of criteria, for whatever obscure reason. (It brings to mind the Electoral College, vis-a-vis its illogical nature. That sort of system is the product of antiquated thought-process, if you ask me.)
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And the main problem is that D3 membership is much larger than just the ones that play hockey. Any proposals that deviate from what works in other sports in order to help hockey is doomed to failure.
 
Adam_Krug#1 said:
Think they chance having a Point/Adrian quarter?
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the committee paired Adrian with St. Norbert to try to avoid the Point/Adrian game. (SNC is also within 500 miles, and avoiding conference matchups is only a thing in women’s d3 hockey). With Point and SNC both likely in the field, along with the MIAC winner, it’s hard to justify the usual shenanigans of pairing the Bulldogs with the likes of Oswego/Hobart/Geneseo based solely on the 500 mile rule.
 
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