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Regional Rankings

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Birdwatcher said:
Another reason...In D1 Hoops....Look at Vermont (UVM) they have won 16 straight games in the conference, they will probably end up with the auto bid by winning the conference playoffs.....without that Vermont would NOT have a chance at dancing !
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So, let's take this argument to its logical conclusion....

Say, Vermont was the odds-on favorite to win America East (they were), then then decided to forfeit every RS game to stay home, stay healthy, and practice.

Then, they get to play in the AE tournament by default and win it going away, thus garnering a bid to The Dance via, what, three games?

You OK with that? It's more or less what happens under the current system, as-in the RS means nothing to many teams in many sports.
 
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I feel every conference deserves at least one team in the tournament. I am a Syracuse fan, but not too many years ago SU was a three seed and UVM a 14.. UVM deserved to be there and proved it by beating Syracuse. I saw how much it meant for them and really understood the system for the first time.
 
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Birdwatcher said:
I feel every conference deserves at least one team in the tournament. I am a Syracuse fan, but not too many years ago SU was a three seed and UVM a 14.. UVM deserved to be there and proved it by beating Syracuse. I saw how much it meant for them and really understood the system for the first time.
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Explain to me why the RS is meaningless... Then, we'll talk.

The current system is beyond dumb, no way around that.
 
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I am not a fan of the post season tournament determining the AQ. It seems to me that the reg season champ should get the bid. However, the conferences want to keep everybody interested in the season, even if they aren't contending for the RS title. Some leagues give some meaning to the RS by not letting everyone into the playoffs - SUNAC takes the top 6, MIAC takes the top 5. NESCAC takes the top 8 (which to me is digging pretty deep). Conferences want their season ending tournament and they want the title to mean something, so they decided that whoever wins this gets to play in the NCAAs. This isn't unique to hockey. The only sport where it really doesn't work this way is football because there are no tournaments.
 
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NUProf said:
I am not a fan of the post season tournament determining the AQ. It seems to me that the reg season champ should get the bid. However, the conferences want to keep everybody interested in the season, even if they aren't contending for the RS title. Some leagues give some meaning to the RS by not letting everyone into the playoffs - SUNAC takes the top 6, MIAC takes the top 5. NESCAC takes the top 8 (which to me is digging pretty deep). Conferences want their season ending tournament and they want the title to mean something, so they decided that whoever wins this gets to play in the NCAAs. This isn't unique to hockey. The only sport where it really doesn't work this way is football because there are no tournaments.
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You want the best team to represent your conference at that time of the year. The conference tournament rewards that. The teams that are really good throughout the whole year have an at-large opportunity.
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
You want the best team to represent your conference at that time of the year. The conference tournament rewards that. The teams that are really good throughout the whole year have an at-large opportunity.
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I was just going to say that. If they really are a top team that gets knocked off, they should get a C bid.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
You want the best team to represent your conference at that time of the year. The conference tournament rewards that. The teams that are really good throughout the whole year have an at-large opportunity.
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If tournaments were best of three or even two game - three point series, I would agree. However, sometimes there's just a fluke that knocks out a good team. For example UMB knocking out Norwich a few years ago when UMB was the #8 seed (and I think they finished 9th in the 10 team ECAC East. Had Norwich had an opportunity to come back the next day and even the series up and still lost, I'd buy the argument. A one and done format breeds the opportunity for a team to get lucky.
 
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NUProf said:
If tournaments were best of three or even two game - three point series, I would agree. However, sometimes there's just a fluke that knocks out a good team. For example UMB knocking out Norwich a few years ago when UMB was the #8 seed (and I think they finished 9th in the 10 team ECAC East. Had Norwich had an opportunity to come back the next day and even the series up and still lost, I'd buy the argument. A one and done format breeds the opportunity for a team to get lucky.
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It surely does. And while I prefer your proposal to what currently exists, I'd like things even better if teams eschewed conference tournaments in favor of scheduling a few more quality OOC games, which would more valuable statistical grist for the mill come selection-time.
 
Fishman'81 said:
But the fact remains that the upset AQ will still have displaced another, more deserving team.
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You’ve gotta get over it, man.

One minute you’re saying D3 hockey is comprised of washed up 24 year olds and the next you are acting like the most emotionally vested parent ever.

And then the D3 Frozen Four goes down in your own backyard and you choose not to attend. Rather than going to watch the four best teams in the country at the end of the season, you’d rather speculate online about who you believe to be more deserving.
 
altazo said:
You’ve gotta get over it, man.

One minute you’re saying D3 hockey is comprised of washed up 24 year olds and the next you are acting like the most emotionally vested parent ever.

And then the D3 Frozen Four goes down in your own backyard and you choose not to attend. Rather than going to watch the four best teams in the country at the end of the season, you’d rather speculate online about who you believe to be more deserving.
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It actually is about 175 miles from Lake Placid to Utica. Very little of it 4 lanes !
 
Birdwatcher said:
It actually is about 175 miles from Lake Placid to Utica. Very little of it 4 lanes !
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My mistake. I was under the impression Fishman lived in Utica...

Wait, you do know the D3 Frozen Four was in Utica last year, not Lake Placid, right?
 
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altazo said:
My mistake. I was under the impression Fishman lived in Utica...

Wait, you do know the D3 Frozen Four was in Utica last year, not Lake Placid, right?
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And, golly-gosh, I only attend games I that have an interest in seeing. Call me "weird" in that respect. I'm sure you'd fly to Minsk to see Utica play, but I wouldn't walk across the street to watch a game unless I have a rooting interest. We probably went skiing that day, and I have no regrets about that. I'm not aspiring to be crowned "D-3 Fan Boy of the Year" or anything... (Evidently, you do though, a year after the fact... Knock yourself out on that one!)

As to the rest of your "points"...

1. I'm not in any way parent -as far as I know- as if that's even remotely germane to this conversation.:rolleyes:

2. And yes, D-3 guys are routinely passed-over by D-1, and many are 22-26... Very over-aged by general NCAA standards. (Not that I care much, but face the facts, Jack.)

Still, aside from its utter lack of content, that was one brilliant post from you, as per usual!
 
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Fishman'81 said:
And, golly-gosh, I only attend games I that have an interest in seeing. Call me "weird" in that respect. I'm sure you'd fly to Minsk to see Utica play, but I wouldn't walk across the street to watch a game unless I have a rooting interest. We probably went skiing that day, and I have no regrets about that. Not aspiring to be crowned "D-3 Fan Boy of the Year" or anything. (Evidently, you do a year after the fact. Knock yourself out!)

As to the rest of your "points"...

1. Not a parent, as if that's even remotely germane.:rolleyes:

2. D-3 guys are routinely passed-over by D-1, and many are 22-26... Very over-age by general NCAA standards. (Not that I care much.)

Still, aside from its utter lack of content, that was one brilliant post, as per usual!



A. Why you conflated the above with my
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Do let his comments distract you from the fact that D3 hockey doesnt use pairwise. For somebody that doesn't want to be a fanboy you sure have a hard on for why the NCAA has it all wrong.
Will you still post on here when Mark Emmert retires and you assume the position?
 
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CCC claims East's top 2 spots in regional ranking #2.

Whodathunkit

Last Updated - February 20, 2018
RANK SCHOOL DIVISION III RECORD OVERALL RECORD
East Region
1. Salve Regina 20-4-2 20-4-2
2. U New England 19-4-3 19-4-3
2. Hobart 16-5-5 16-5-5
4. Oswego St. 18-5-2 18-5-2
5. Trinity (CT) 16-5-2 17-5-2
6. SUNY Geneseo 17-5-3 17-5-3
7. Utica 19-5-1 19-5-1
8. Plymouth St. 16-4-2 18-4-2
9. Endicott 18-5-3 18-5-3
10. Buffalo St. 16-6-3 16-6-3

West Region
1. Adrian 23-4-0 23-4-0
2. St. Norbert 22-4-1 22-4-1
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 18-4-3 18-4-3
4. Marian (WI) 20-6-1 20-6-1
5. Augsburg 16-9-0 16-9-0
 
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