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Rampage in Colorado Movie theater.

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Where did I say that violent movies should be banned? It's the liberalization of society and a lack of parental discipline that is literally killing society in North America.

It's stupid people that are killing society. Using political terms like "liberalization" in a situation like this is just plain ignorant on your part.
 
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It's stupid people that are killing society. Using political terms like "liberalization" in a situation like this is just plain ignorant on your part.

This. There are no politics in this situation, as far as I am concerned. Kid was crazy/sick/whatever. So don't bring up gun control, republican/democrat crap, etc etc. It's a tragedy, and one that probably could not be prevented.
 
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This. There are no politics in this situation, as far as I am concerned. Kid was crazy/sick/whatever. So don't bring up gun control, republican/democrat crap, etc etc. It's a tragedy, and one that probably could not be prevented.
The only part I disagree with that is the part where his mom said "you got the right guy" so obviously she knew he was crazy...yet did nothing.
 
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The only part I disagree with that is the part where his mom said "you got the right guy" so obviously she knew he was crazy...yet did nothing.

Unless he did nothing illegal before (or couldn't prove he did anything illegal). It's legal to be crazy.
 
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This. There are no politics in this situation, as far as I am concerned. Kid was crazy/sick/whatever. So don't bring up gun control, republican/democrat crap, etc etc. It's a tragedy, and one that probably could not be prevented.

It might have been prevented in other socieities. There is an awful lot that's similar about the commentary following each mass shooting: Columbine, VTU, Tucson and now this. The same people who always offer their opinions are again offering opinions, which in many instances are nearly word for word the same as the opinions they offered on previous occasions. And no more accurate or relevant.

Part of this is the result of the 24 hour news cycle, in which everyone with any connection at all to the victims or perpetrator is dragged into a studio someplace and questioned. "We have ZaSu Pitts, who lockered next to Holmes in 8th grade PE for his perspective." Producers earn their pay in these deals because cable anchors don't want to be (in Sonny Corleone's words) "holding their diks in their hands."

In the hours immediately following this kind of event, cable news does an invaluable service, providing the facts and the pictures. Later, it gets a little harder, since there's much less "breaking" news to report. And the people available for insight are generally significantly less important.

Remember in the immediate aftermath of Columbine there was a lot of talk about "The Trenchcoat Mafia." And implications that either Klebold or Harris (or both) "belonged" to this group and that might be significant. Turns out "The Trenchcoat Mafia" was the name chosen by some unpopular kids for their group picture in the yearbook. They got their dusters, posed for the picture, and that was the end of it. Yet hundreds of thousands of "very important" words were uttered about this "group" and what significance it may have had to the shootings. It was put into perspective when the principal said he'd never heard of "The Trenchcoat Mafia."

In the immediate aftermath of the JFK shooting, there was a lot of talk about "right wingers" in Dallas (Oliver Stone's still talking about it). After all, somebody put out flyers accusing the President of "treason," UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson had been pushed around and there were some Confederate flags displayed on the motorcade route. Hesto, presto, a "right wing" plot to assassinate the president. Later, we learned somebody had also taken a shot at the uber right wing General Walker (turns out it was the same guy who had shot the president). Even so, there was more than a little talk about "Dallas hanging its head in shame." And being a "hotbed of hate." After Bobby Kennedy was shot, tens of thousands of "important words" were uttered about the "woman in the polka dot dress." More of the same.

When a suspect was capturedd in Dallas, and it turned out he had defected to the Soviet Union, the narrative changed to: "We really don't know what motivated the alleged assassin and we shouldn't jump to conclusions." That's almost always good advice.

Editing, live, is a risky proposition, fraught with perils. The late Frank Reynolds exploded on ABC during coverage of the Reagan assassination attempt, demanding that "we get this right," after he had erroneously reported that Press Secretary Jim Brady had died. So I'm generally inclined to give people plenary dispesations for their various high crimes and misdemeanors while reporting in "wall to wall" situations. I've done it and it ain't easy.
 
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There's angles by the ahem, journalists, sure. Doesn't make it truth. Only way this is prevented is a police state. Maybe. And f that. I'd rather take my chances.
 
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TV news is full of ****. And that's Fox News as well as CNN...both sides of the coin. Everybody is full of it and out to make a buck. "News" itself doesn't matter anymore. Stuff happens. Get a helmet.
 
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TV news is full of ****. And that's Fox News as well as CNN...both sides of the coin. Everybody is full of it and out to make a buck. "News" itself doesn't matter anymore. Stuff happens. Get a helmet.

A helmet, gas mask, groin shield, neck shield, bulletproof vest, and tactical gloves.
 
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Where does a 24 year old kid get stuff like that from anyway? eBay?

There are a number of questions I have about this shooting... First, what you said. Second, what was a three-month old and 9-yo doing at a midnight screening for a three-hour movie? Third, what did they find in his apartment? THe rest of the questions revolve around the shooter, his motivations, and how no one could notice this because he had obviously been planning this for months.
 
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Where does a 24 year old kid get stuff like that from anyway? eBay?

When I was 21-22 or so....I was within 6 calls of getting dam near anything for drugs/weapons/etc. Meaning it's the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon thing. Not proud of it now nor then. But it was there.
 
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All I gotta say is this: you need a license to go fishing, but any two idiots can procreate.
 
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There are a number of questions I have about this shooting... First, what you said. Second, what was a three-month old and 9-yo doing at a midnight screening for a three-hour movie? Third, what did they find in his apartment? THe rest of the questions revolve around the shooter, his motivations, and how no one could notice this because he had obviously been planning this for months.

I'm surprised anybody's shocked about the presence of kids... all it takes is no sitter and overriding desire to see the movie... we're talking about the general public here. I think we can think of more than few handful of examples of people who would do this.
 
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All I gotta say is this: you need a license to go fishing, but any two idiots can procreate.

Great sentiment. Here's the full text of similar sentiments from Keanu Reeves in "Parenthood".

"You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - h*ll, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming a*shole be a father."
 
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Great sentiment. Here's the full text of similar sentiments from Keanu Reeves in "Parenthood".

"You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - h*ll, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming a*shole be a father."

Never seen it. I'll continue believing I came up with that line first.
 
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I'm surprised anybody's shocked about the presence of kids... all it takes is no sitter and overriding desire to see the movie... we're talking about the general public here. I think we can think of more than few handful of examples of people who would do this.

So, you don't see a problem with that?
 
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So, you don't see a problem with that?

Let's put it this way, how the hell do you think you're going to change that... you're more likely to find better ways to prevent these psychotics than you are going to be able to curb questionable decisions by parents.

Its not that I don't disapprove. I just don't think anybody should be shocked or think its uncommon.
 
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I'm surprised anybody's shocked about the presence of kids... all it takes is no sitter and overriding desire to see the movie... we're talking about the general public here. I think we can think of more than few handful of examples of people who would do this.

This may come as a surprise, but there are actually people who wouldn't take their baby to a jammed theatre for a late night showing, unless they could find a sitter. Not good for the kid. And certainly unfair to the other patrons. Those who would take an infant to a late night movie are merely expressing the "dot with a circle around it" philosophy. All to common.

I recall with horror the time in Japan when a young mother changed her baby, in a BX cafe, right in front of people eating their food, on a table top that would be used later by other people to eat off of. To say the Japanese manager of the facility had a conniption fit really doesn't describe it.
 
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