Quinnipiac Bobcats 2021-22 - Let's get this party started!

[Lynah Rink]

Listen to this clown….”define hockey’s success by winning hockey games”. What’s your definition? Getting no penalties called against your team? Lol go pick up your participation trophy down the hall…”no one would cry if Q went to HE” do you even hear how ridiculous you sound?! the conference is turning into Atlantic hockey and losing its best program will help it. IF you knew ANYTHING about our program we are successful BECAUSE of player development over 4 years. Why don’t you go troll over at a school with 27 NHL draft picks who can’t even make the NCAA tournament…..you complain we get graduate transfers….lol….you cry and whine cause no one wants to go to your school….Andy Bernard

That's more like it!

Winning hockey games is obviously the biggest metric of success for a college hockey coach. But it is not the only measurement. Developing your players, graduating them, and earning their respect--rather than kicking them to the curb after a bad year or two--is another metric. I'll be honest, when I started posting on this thread about Rand's roster-building philosophy and lack of loyalty to his players, I expected more pushback. I thought you all would make the argument that no, that's not what Rand's doing, for XYZ reasons. Instead, the biggest response has been full-throated endorsement of Rand's style of coaching! Rand's got a style that's unique to the ECAC--but it seems fans of the program are totally on-board.

Obviously when you kick off the players that don't make it, the players who remain are going to all be shining examples of good development. Metsa sure developed. How about the five out of seven members of next year's would-be junior class who left the team?

BTW, who's the team with 27 draft picks? If you're referring to Michigan or someone, I don't like them either. But they're not an in-conference rival who's dying to ditch us for another conference. Also, it's too bad no one wants to go to Cornell (67,380 applicants for the class of 2025). I'd hate to think what that makes Quinnipiac (16,205 applicants)!

 

[Lynah Rink]

You mean being the the best team in the ECAC over the past decade? Do you feel “amiss” about how we’re successful and kids graduate? Do you feel concerned about it? We are expected to make the NCAA tournament every year and when we don’t…. it is very disappointing… you dance in the streets of Ithaca when you qualify. Guess what paper salesman….we don’t give two hoots about your ugly red sweater team or what you think…..you wonder why we don’t troll on your board? Because we don’t care about you

Yes, in Ithaca, we throw massive dance parties in the streets whenever Cornell makes the NCAAs. You should totally come up one year and check it out.

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

But they're not an in-conference rival who's dying to ditch us for another conference.

You couldn't be more wrong. The administration is happy being in the ECAC. Moving to Hockey East might make hockey sense, but nothing more. I'm pretty certain they like being a big fish in a little pond.

Say what you want, but the university is really pushing its image and has come a very long way from the days of being a small commuter school. Their investment in the academic profile will keep us in the ECAC for the foreseeable future.

 

[Lynah Rink]

You couldn't be more wrong. The administration is happy being in the ECAC. Moving to Hockey East might make hockey sense, but nothing more. I'm pretty certain they like being a big fish in a little pond.

Say what you want, but the university is really pushing its image and has come a very long way from the days of being a small commuter school. Their investment in the academic profile will keep us in the ECAC for the foreseeable future.

Sorry ICECAT1811.

 

[DavidNardolillo]

Which brings me back to my original point: it seems Rand's strategy is to bring in transfers and keep players around for their fifth year at the expense of the underclassmen. And while prior to last year Quinnipiac had not traditionally gotten many transfers, it has for some time had a higher than normal number of players transferring out. Next year, Quinnipiac will have only two juniors on its roster out of a class of seven players who originally matriculated. I cannot claim to have any inside information as to how Rand is running things. And frankly you all have been pretty polite towards a rival fan who basically registered on this forum to complain about Quinnipiac's roster-building philosophy. But I do stand by my original point that something feels amiss to me about how things are being run down in Hamden.

Given how COVID and the new transfer rules (and some liberalization of the grad transfer rules) have totally changed the landscape, I think it's hard to draw any conclusions from what you have described here. This doesn't seem like unusual behavior at the college level--every year coaches tell a few players that they are surplus to requirements, which can create uneven class sizes--and most college coaches are going to look at transfers that will make the team better. I think the new transfer rules are just creating a new window into the normal youth vs. experience decisions; coaches have long been telling many commits to stay in juniors for another season, etc.

 

[DavidNardolillo]

You couldn't be more wrong. The administration is happy being in the ECAC. Moving to Hockey East might make hockey sense, but nothing more. I'm pretty certain they like being a big fish in a little pond.

I don't think the ECAC is necessarily a small pond, although we are in a cycle where the Western teams are stronger, but I am glad to hear Q will be sticking around. I am not sure that Hockey East would make hockey sense. It's not that I think Q wouldn't be able to compete in HE. I just think that some of these recent conference moves haven't been good for college hockey as a whole, as they have destabilized too many fringe teams instead of trying to grow the game.

 

[ZYanksRule]

If you stop feeding the troll, it will go away.

 

[QUFan]

Mark, off-season thread time?


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[J.D.]

I know there's been a few players at QU over the years that were told their services weren't needed by the team but their scholly's were still awarded. Say what you want about Rand but he is extremely high on academics.

I am sure plenty of coaches do this but they are saying it to kids who want to play hockey, knowing/hoping that the kid ends up transferring.

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

Mark, off-season thread time?

Ask and ye shall receive...

https://fanforum.uscho.com/forum/co...-i/3732780-quinnipiac-bobcats-2022-off-season

 

[QU/UM]

That's more like it!

Winning hockey games is obviously the biggest metric of success for a college hockey coach. But it is not the only measurement. Developing your players, graduating them, and earning their respect--rather than kicking them to the curb after a bad year or two--is another metric. I'll be honest, when I started posting on this thread about Rand's roster-building philosophy and lack of loyalty to his players, I expected more pushback. I thought you all would make the argument that no, that's not what Rand's doing, for XYZ reasons. Instead, the biggest response has been full-throated endorsement of Rand's style of coaching! Rand's got a style that's unique to the ECAC--but it seems fans of the program are totally on-board.

Obviously when you kick off the players that don't make it, the players who remain are going to all be shining examples of good development. Metsa sure developed. How about the five out of seven members of next year's would-be junior class who left the team?

BTW, who's the team with 27 draft picks? If you're referring to Michigan or someone, I don't like them either. But they're not an in-conference rival who's dying to ditch us for another conference. Also, it's too bad no one wants to go to Cornell (67,380 applicants for the class of 2025). I'd hate to think what that makes Quinnipiac (16,205 applicants)!

Well you came looking for a fight and kept going until you got one. Congratulations!

By the way how do you know Rand is kicking players off of the team? Short answer is you don't! Maybe some if not most of the players don't see a path to ice time and make their own decision to leave.

 

[J.D.]

Well you came looking for a fight and kept going until you got one. Congratulations!

By the way how do you know Rand is kicking players off of the team? Short answer is you don't! Maybe some if not most of the players don't see a path to ice time and make their own decision to leave.

Yep. I have no dog in this fight but if a kid is never gonna play and wants to play hockey it makes no sense for the coach and kid to stay locked together. The kid wants to play hockey or he values getting an education and doesn't care about not playing. Players leave coaches in the dust as well with the transfer portal and decommitting to go to a better program etc. This isn't youth hockey. With NIL now, it's more of a business than ever.

 

[LynahFan]

Ivies don’t offer athletic scholarships , they just reduce entrance requirements for athletes and give them academic scholarships which are guaranteed provided you maintain a certain GPA.

Incorrect. The Ivy League (for better or worse) forbids merit-based aid of any kind, athletic or academic. Any hockey player from a wealthy background (i.e. most of them these days) pays full freight if they choose to go to an Ivy.

I, for one, would certainly not be sorry to see QU go to Hockey East. Protest all you want, but Rand runs a very different program than the rest of the league - QU hockey is a jock factory, and they play a more pro-style brand of hockey. Meaner, with more of an edge. When we play Q, I hope for no injuries first and a win second. If you go, I would wish you all of the success of the last program who thought they were too good for the ECAC and bolted to HE.

Some rivals are respected. I wish Cornell and Harvard would finish 1-2 in the league every year, with Cornell taking every Whitelaw in triple overtime after an epic battle. Q is different - I can’t even say I consider them a rival; I just wish they’d never score another goal, period.

 

[QUFan]

Incorrect. The Ivy League (for better or worse) forbids merit-based aid of any kind, athletic or academic. Any hockey player from a wealthy background (i.e. most of them these days) pays full freight if they choose to go to an Ivy.

I, for one, would certainly not be sorry to see QU go to Hockey East. Protest all you want, but Rand runs a very different program than the rest of the league - QU hockey is a jock factory, and they play a more pro-style brand of hockey. Meaner, with more of an edge. When we play Q, I hope for no injuries first and a win second. If you go, I would wish you all of the success of the last program who thought they were too good for the ECAC and bolted to HE.

Some rivals are respected. I wish Cornell and Harvard would finish 1-2 in the league every year, with Cornell taking every Whitelaw in triple overtime after an epic battle. Q is different - I can’t even say I consider them a rival; I just wish they’d never score another goal, period.

I stand corrected, “need based”. So if Schaffer goes to the finance team and says I “Need” these players……. These institutions don’t have to disclose who gets need based assistance. Only about 50% of all Cornell students pay the full 69k tuition and the average “need” based scholarship is almost 60%. The Ivies are smart, there’s plenty of financial ways to work the system. Good Luck in 2022-23. Enjoy the summer.


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[QUFan]

Incorrect. The Ivy League (for better or worse) forbids merit-based aid of any kind, athletic or academic. Any hockey player from a wealthy background (i.e. most of them these days) pays full freight if they choose to go to an Ivy.

I, for one, would certainly not be sorry to see QU go to Hockey East. Protest all you want, but Rand runs a very different program than the rest of the league - QU hockey is a jock factory, and they play a more pro-style brand of hockey. Meaner, with more of an edge. When we play Q, I hope for no injuries first and a win second. If you go, I would wish you all of the success of the last program who thought they were too good for the ECAC and bolted to HE.

Some rivals are respected. I wish Cornell and Harvard would finish 1-2 in the league every year, with Cornell taking every Whitelaw in triple overtime after an epic battle. Q is different - I can’t even say I consider them a rival; I just wish they’d never score another goal, period.

Incorrect. The Ivy League (for better or worse) forbids merit-based aid of any kind, athletic or academic. Any hockey player from a wealthy background (i.e. most of them these days) pays full freight if they choose to go to an Ivy.

I, for one, would certainly not be sorry to see QU go to Hockey East. Protest all you want, but Rand runs a very different program than the rest of the league - QU hockey is a jock factory, and they play a more pro-style brand of hockey. Meaner, with more of an edge. When we play Q, I hope for no injuries first and a win second. If you go, I would wish you all of the success of the last program who thought they were too good for the ECAC and bolted to HE.

Some rivals are respected. I wish Cornell and Harvard would finish 1-2 in the league every year, with Cornell taking every Whitelaw in triple overtime after an epic battle. Q is different - I can’t even say I consider them a rival; I just wish they’d never score another goal, period.

I stand corrected, “need based”. So if Schaffer goes to the finance team and says I “Need” these players……. These institutions don’t have to disclose who gets need based assistance. Only about 50% of all Cornell students pay the full 69k tuition and the average “need” based scholarship is almost 60%. The Ivies are smart, there’s plenty of financial ways to work the system. Good Luck in 2022-23. Enjoy the summer.


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[J.D.]

QU administrators enjoy dealing with these pretentious Ivy snobs?

 

[Lynah Rink]

Incorrect. The Ivy League (for better or worse) forbids merit-based aid of any kind, athletic or academic. Any hockey player from a wealthy background (i.e. most of them these days) pays full freight if they choose to go to an Ivy.

I, for one, would certainly not be sorry to see QU go to Hockey East. Protest all you want, but Rand runs a very different program than the rest of the league - QU hockey is a jock factory, and they play a more pro-style brand of hockey. Meaner, with more of an edge. When we play Q, I hope for no injuries first and a win second. If you go, I would wish you all of the success of the last program who thought they were too good for the ECAC and bolted to HE.

Some rivals are respected. I wish Cornell and Harvard would finish 1-2 in the league every year, with Cornell taking every Whitelaw in triple overtime after an epic battle. Q is different - I can’t even say I consider them a rival; I just wish they’d never score another goal, period.

One of the most enduring memories of Rand: less than two years removed from suffering a serious neck injury, Cold Bardreau was hit from behind by Q player Matthew Peca. While Bardreau lay on the ice, Rand screamed from the bench at the refs that Bardreau was embellishing.

https://thehockeynews.com/news/was-this-ncaa-coach-a-ing-classless-hole-this-weekend

Is Q more violent than the typical D-1 hockey team? I would actually say no. What separates Q from other schools in my opinion is the lengths their coach is willing to go to win--even when it bends the rules, or is ethically dubious, or is just generally classless.

 

[Lynah Rink]

I stand corrected, “need based”. So if Schaffer goes to the finance team and says I “Need” these players……. These institutions don’t have to disclose who gets need based assistance. Only about 50% of all Cornell students pay the full 69k tuition and the average “need” based scholarship is almost 60%. The Ivies are smart, there’s plenty of financial ways to work the system. Good Luck in 2022-23. Enjoy the summer.


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Cornell has lost a lot of players to other schools thanks to its inability to award scholarships. Even among the Ivies, Cornell has a considerably smaller financial aid budget than places like Harvard, Yale, and Princeton.

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

What separates Q from other schools in my opinion is the lengths their coach is willing to go to win--even when it bends the rules, or is ethically dubious, or is just generally classless.

I suppose St. Schafer has never done any of that?...

 

[Lynah Rink]

Rand is a good coach--from an Xs and Os perspective, from a player development perspective, and even from a recruiting perspective. He built the Q program totally from scratch. But I disagree with his tactics. As I say, a lot of his tactics strain the rules or the notions of ethics and class. Best of luck to you all next season. "Saint Schafer" is a good nickname I may use again from time to time.