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Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.

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Good post HockeyMan 2000.

Agree Keno will go before Army, as hoops is still the lead dog for PC sports. And from what I've been hearing, Keno getting axed is getting closer and closer. Some real bad news coming out on Duke Mondy in next day or so..

I don't have as big a problem with Bob Driscoll as everyone else does. When he hired Army, you can go back and look at the posts from that time and everyone (including me) all gave it a huge thumbs up. His hiring seemed like a no -brainer then. People were even bringing up Army's name, years before Pooley even left. Keno too came in as a reigning Coach of the Year, the hot young coach, etc. Where you can find fault with him, is he didn't pull the plug on Army sooner. But with Army's history with the school, I can see where he was given more rope. Not right - but I can see it. And if Keno does go after his 3rd year....I guess he learned from the Army era.

Should be interesting.....
 
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Chris that's a good point. I'm not going to do revisionist history either, I was totally in favor of Army's hiring -- though as I've written, I became nervous when someone from Portland popped in here and said "be careful what you wish for." Realistically he, like Pooley before him, had never been a college head coach, and until you get into this particular job, you just don't know what you're going to get. It's not the NHL, it's not strictly "business," it takes a certain kind of guy to be able to recruit and develop talent, to be adept with the X's and O's but also relate to and develop young student-athletes. I have no doubt Pooley was good at certain areas -- and Army is probably okay with some aspects -- but neither of them seem like they were cut out to be college head coaches. And as we've seen in so many sports, just because you were a great player just doesn't make you a great coach, and in Army's case, even being so familiar with the school doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a good fit.

My issue with Driscoll was the extension, I had a big issue with it when it happened because I think red flags had already gone up after the first couple of seasons (the poor finishes both years, Army being unable to keep players on the roster, etc). There was just too much faith placed in Army at that time, and for me PC wasn't in a situation where they could do that -- not after the last few Pooley seasons. Now they're in a real bind because of it, having gone from mediocrity to the basement and no signs of snapping out of it until they clean house. They need to start over NOW, not next year or the year after, but it is what it is, for lack of a better term.

I agree wholeheartedly about Davis. And the hire itself wasn't awful, considering that PC had been turned down by a half-dozen guys by the time they got to to him. Still, I'm likewise getting the sense that time has basically run out for him. Losing is one thing -- the embarrassing nature of the players' conduct and the off-court issues the last two years is something PC can't tolerate. Which is another reason why I think there's more incentive there to dump Davis -- it's the school's money maker, and the off-court stuff/on-court performance has been a blemish that's hurt their PR and at the gate. Army is a poor head coach and the program's record is bad, but at least the players are good citizens it seems so Army can be dealt with...next year, I'm guessing.

Either way, agreed -- the off-season for Friar athletics is likely going to be much more interesting than the year many of the teams, especially the hockey and hoops teams, both had.
 
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Dearest friends, Please stop insisting that EVERYONE gave a thumbs up to the Timmy signing!!!! Please refer back to my early posts if need be. I've been a detractor of this clown since 1989-90 for a number of reasons.

My stated dislike for Timmy seemed to bring about the visitations from SouthieFriar who was on Army's nuts at the time but he's been silent since Army proved to be a bag of poopoo as a college coach. Then my dislike seemed to win us the affection of Hokydad who also has been a no show since Army went teets up as the leader of the program.

Granted I had hoped that Army would succeed when he was hired because I loved the program and wanted it to be what it was in the mid 80's but I wasn't a fan of Army from jump due to dealings that I had with him from my time as a student.

IMHO, I think Keno gets one more year as PC doesn't have the dough to buy him out and Army is probably safe as they won't buy him out of two years because the school doesn't hold the hockey program in enough regard.

Sadly, Driscoll is safe because the president likes him and Fr. Shanley isn't proactive when it comes to athletics. Fr. Shanley is along for the ride. At any other school Driscoll would have been out last year after the poor handling of the incident with the hoop players and the embarrassment it caused the college.

Of course I'd love it if either Chris P or HM2k is right!!! This athletic department needs an enema.
 
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Before this week I was thinking the chop block order would be Army first, then Driscoll, and Keno (although on thin ice would be safe for one more year). Unfortunatly I think my list has flip-flopped leaving Keno to be cut this year and army in for one more. I'm not sure what Duke Mondy did, but from what people are saying it is real bad. Thus, putting Keno in a bad spot. I remember writing mid season that the with the basketball teams troubles continuing, the hockey program would be forgotten, leaving Armys job secure for the time being. I guess consistently losing for years looks alot better than constant academic, ethical, and legal problems.
 
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This is a very sad situation as a Merrimack fan, but with family ties to Rhode Island. Tim Army clearly isn't the right guy for the job. The only thing I wish in situations like this is that people stepped back and realized that he is a bad coach, but not intentionally ruining the program. Not suggesting this is happening in this case, but it happens a lot such as at Maine and college hoops and football. The more rational people, especially big donors and long time ticket holders can be in voicing their displeasure, the more likely something will be done about it. I just hope Merrimack can give you more ammunition to fire Army this weekend.

I would love to see in the near future Schneider with the student body back and more than 1000 people.
 
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We're definitely trying to work on the atmosphere at games, but it's definitely a david vs goliath situation when the athletics dept so heavily pushes basketball on incoming freshmen and hockey is essentially an afterthought. Every freshman my year was given a poster of people rushing the court after they beat Pitt.

Also does anyone actually know what Duke Mondy did? The silence is sketching me out.
 
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The admins on the bball board have been quick to lock any rumor inspired links. The situation as you put it is very "sketchy." pc13 your still on campus right? there must be some rumors floating around.
 
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I am still on campus, but nobody is saying anything. I saw him in the cafeteria today so he's still on campus...it's weird.
 
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Sounds like they (Driscoll) are ready to pull the trigger...
 
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Donaldson comes through again. He was nice enough to write back a few times when I'd pester him with stats a few seasons ago -- good to see he's kept on the subject. (And while I don't take credit for putting stats together, I am pretty sure that 26-3 outscored in the QF's stat he keeps mentioning is something I sent him way back when lol).

Very obviously, there seems to be little confidence behind either Army or Keno Davis at this point in time.

“In terms of wins and losses, the program is not where it needs to be — or should be,” Driscoll said.

Maybe I'll have to revise my thinking that Army is gone in 2012....the end may be sooner than we think!!
 
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Interesting that Donaldson noted that Army only has 1 year left. If he's right and his contract is up in 2012, and not 2013, my guess is it's very likely Army is not going to be back next year for reasons we outlined before.

Of course, Driscoll is not entirely absolved from this either. The whole "I need to make better decisions" line....an understatement of epic proportions. From the sounds of it, Driscoll knows his own skin is on the line, and he can start making those "better decisions" by firing both of these guys -- now.
 
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Serious question. Who would you (the PC fan base) like to see in as the new head hockey coach? I'll throw out some names that I'd think Providence would be wise to at least bring in for an interview. <b>Nate Leaman</b> from Union College has led them to unprecedented success and has assistant coaching experience at Harvard and Maine under Shawn Walsh. Another possibility is his top assistant and 1990 Providence grad <b>Rick Bennett</b>. He was an assistant coach at Providence in addition to playing at PC. <b>Ron Fogarty</b> played for Colgate in the 90s and started the Adrian (Division III) program and has a winning percentage of .892 in four years there. He has assistant coaching experience at Colgate, Clarkson and Bowling Green. Another possibility is current Dartmouth assistant and Boston College alum <b>Dave Peters</b>. He's a former PC assistant who has a very respected name in hockey. One other possibility is Plattsburgh head coach <b>Bob Emery</b>, a BC grad, who has a .742 winning percentage in 21 seasons to go along with his two Division III National Championships, 13 NCAA Tournament Appearances and 12 conference championships. One last guy I'd give a look at is New England College head coach <b>Tom Carroll</b>, a Wisconsin alum who helped them to win two NCAA Titles. He's a former Notre Dame assistant and coached in the USHL. He's won almost twice as many games as he's lost at NEC.

Not as head coach, but I'd like to see the new head coach consider bringing in <b>Joe Exter</b> who played goalie for Merrimack and is a US National Development Program Assistant. He's a Cranston native and could be a young go getter as far as recruiting goes.
 
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irishfan85 said:
Serious question. Who would you (the PC fan base) like to see in as the new head hockey coach? I'll throw out some names that I'd think Providence would be wise to at least bring in for an interview. <b>Nate Leaman</b> from Union College has led them to unprecedented success and has assistant coaching experience at Harvard and Maine under Shawn Walsh. Another possibility is his top assistant and 1990 Providence grad <b>Rick Bennett</b>. He was an assistant coach at Providence in addition to playing at PC. <b>Ron Fogarty</b> played for Colgate in the 90s and started the Adrian (Division III) program and has a winning percentage of .892 in four years there. He has assistant coaching experience at Colgate, Clarkson and Bowling Green. Another possibility is current Dartmouth assistant and Boston College alum <b>Dave Peters</b>. He's a former PC assistant who has a very respected name in hockey. One other possibility is Plattsburgh head coach <b>Bob Emery</b>, a BC grad, who has a .742 winning percentage in 21 seasons to go along with his two Division III National Championships, 13 NCAA Tournament Appearances and 12 conference championships. One last guy I'd give a look at is New England College head coach <b>Tom Carroll</b>, a Wisconsin alum who helped them to win two NCAA Titles. He's a former Notre Dame assistant and coached in the USHL. He's won almost twice as many games as he's lost at NEC.

Not as head coach, but I'd like to see the new head coach consider bringing in <b>Joe Exter</b> who played goalie for Merrimack and is a US National Development Program Assistant. He's a Cranston native and could be a young go getter as far as recruiting goes.
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No one with either PC ties, Rhode Island ties or coaches from small colleges or minor D1 programs. More to come later when I have more time.
 
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I lean toward Leaman as he is a head coach with a record and would probably bring Bennett along. No more coaches that have never done the job before
 
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A head coach with a track record -- and hopefully someone with D1 experience, either currently or in the recent past -- the program can't bear another guy who's never done the job before like Army and Pooley.

I also agree with 91 -- preferably someone with no history with PC or hockey in this state. Not only is it no longer needed, but we've seen what having someone who "lives and breathes" PC like Army claimed has done as a head coach here.

This program needs a thorough, total fresh start. If Bennett would come along with Leaman in a package deal, fine, but I would definitely not hire Rick Bennett alone for the job. PC needs to start over with someone with the vision to do their own thing, someone with the head coaching experience as well, who will bring their ideas in from the outside.
 
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satyking said:
I lean toward Leaman as he is a head coach with a record and would probably bring Bennett along. No more coaches that have never done the job before
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Leaman has done a terrific job at Union and they look like they may be on a track to St. Paul this year. I had the opportunity to see them play twice this year and they look good. That being said, I see no advatnage to Leaman to move from Union to PC. At this point it would be a lateral move.
 
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We are also assuming that anyone of note would want to take the job at PC. The program is in trouble and currently a joke. It's not what Pooley left to say the least let alone what this program used to be in it's sunny times.
 
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