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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
That would be justice!
I think Hokydad could do a fine job.
That would be justice!
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Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
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Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Your feelings are very unclear.
This is depressing. Every time I see these kids play,they play hard. Sigh.
Your feelings are very unclear.
This is depressing. Every time I see these kids play,they play hard. Sigh.
Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
I have decided that PC Hockey in February has an eerie similarity to Bill Murray in Groundhog Day
I have decided that PC Hockey in February has an eerie similarity to Bill Murray in Groundhog Day
The Freds
Goin' Up?
What's your point? Did 91 avoid bad ice?
Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
The real shame here is the kids, they are playing as hard as they can and coming up short. I do believe that Army is giving his all to try and turn this program around and is also coming up short. My belief is that Tim is not a college coach the same way Rick Petino is not a pro coach, he is however a decent head coach on the professional level and should find a way to return to that venue. It takes a special something to get that little extra from the players, Jack Parker has it as does Jerry York, Tim does not and it is not something that you can learn so PC is stuck where we are for the duration and we all should feel for the kids.
The real shame here is the kids, they are playing as hard as they can and coming up short. I do believe that Army is giving his all to try and turn this program around and is also coming up short. My belief is that Tim is not a college coach the same way Rick Petino is not a pro coach, he is however a decent head coach on the professional level and should find a way to return to that venue. It takes a special something to get that little extra from the players, Jack Parker has it as does Jerry York, Tim does not and it is not something that you can learn so PC is stuck where we are for the duration and we all should feel for the kids.
SouthieFriar
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Hey guys,
Quite a while since I posted...
I think it was back in the Pre-Army days....when all I saw was Jon, HockeyMan, PC91 etc ALL posting a constant "Fire Pooley" chant over and over and over.
Well....how did THAT work out?
I think Tim is done here, and is (obviously) not the guy for the job. I also will admit I thought he was the perfect candidate....but this stuff aint easy.
Please point out ONE of you making a post that said Tim would fail????
I still think that busting chops over the Coffee pot is ridiculous...Driscoll tried to create something...You can;t say he doesnt care about hockey, and then complain that he ran a downtown tourney....It didn't work. But at least they gave it a shot.
Did any of you know that we could have had a certaon pro coach (Stanley Cup winner) a Franklin MA native, but figured he wouldn;t stay for long. The thought was that Tim, as an alum, would stay for the long haul.
Wow.
Hey guys,
Quite a while since I posted...
I think it was back in the Pre-Army days....when all I saw was Jon, HockeyMan, PC91 etc ALL posting a constant "Fire Pooley" chant over and over and over.
Well....how did THAT work out?
I think Tim is done here, and is (obviously) not the guy for the job. I also will admit I thought he was the perfect candidate....but this stuff aint easy.
Please point out ONE of you making a post that said Tim would fail????
I still think that busting chops over the Coffee pot is ridiculous...Driscoll tried to create something...You can;t say he doesnt care about hockey, and then complain that he ran a downtown tourney....It didn't work. But at least they gave it a shot.
Did any of you know that we could have had a certaon pro coach (Stanley Cup winner) a Franklin MA native, but figured he wouldn;t stay for long. The thought was that Tim, as an alum, would stay for the long haul.
Wow.
HockeyMan2000
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Southiefriar....it has been a while man. Too bad you managed to avoid most of the run-ins with Hokyfraud (and there we were, thinking you were bad! lol).
When a guy has been in a job for 10 years, and aside from 1 year, his biggest successes were in his first two seasons -- with another coach's players -- that's usually grounds for a scenery change. So I don't know what you are getting at in terms of revisionist history. Pooley had worn out his time here. He also had a lot more talent on the ice than Army has managed to recruit, making the disappointment even more aggravating. So you have to take that into consideration.
That said, Army has been a total, complete and unmitigated disaster. There's no beating around that bush. He's made Pooley's years of underachieving mediocrity (with superior talent) look like the Golden Era of Friar Hockey.
I wrote above that it's a sad sign of the decline of PC hockey that nobody on here posts about Army's record and demands change -- whereas we were all disappointed with Pooley and let it be known. You're right about that, I just said the same.
Now, nobody cares. There's nothing to say except intermittently wonder how long it's going to take before the school cuts him loose. It's like the program itself has become an afterthought. And that's even worse than reading the bellyaching of fans who used to give a **** and now don't bother going, much less posting on this board.
The point was that anyone with half a brain could figure out it was going to bomb. The school didn't have enough of a pre-established fan base then (even less now) to make that tournament a marketable draw, especially downtown in a dumpy Dunk. They needed to do more to reach out to regional programs that actually had fans -- whether it was inside the conference or out of it -- in order to sell tickets. Maybe they tried and they couldn't do it. I don't know, but either way, you didn't need to be a swami to predict it wasn't going to work.
Did YOU make a post that Tim would fail?? Did YOU see this team making a beeline for the basement of the conference??
There was someone who showed up on here, who knew Army from Portland, and told everyone "be careful what you wish for," that he would fail here as he did there and wasn't cut out to be a head coach.
Turns out he was right.
It has been shocking. It's actually, again, much worse than people seem to think when you look at the numbers in my sig (I have a feeling they'll be even more depressing once this season ends).
Despite his faults, Pooley managed to make 3 Hockey East championship games in his 10 years (2 of them in his first 2 seasons). Army is on the cusp of failing to make the Hockey East playoffs three straight times in 6 years. That's just unbelievable.
Given the downward trend of not just the Army era but really the whole post-McShane era (remember how much flack he took? he looks like a genius now compared to Army and Pooley), the larger issue right now is where hockey fits at PC. What kind of support it has. What kind of priority it has. Given the apparent lack of interest from the school, dated facilities, the disinterest of a dwindling (almost non-existent) fan base, you wonder if any coach at this point can make a go of it. Army has been a disaster, absolutely, but beyond that -- the future prospects don't look promising.
Southiefriar....it has been a while man. Too bad you managed to avoid most of the run-ins with Hokyfraud (and there we were, thinking you were bad! lol).
When a guy has been in a job for 10 years, and aside from 1 year, his biggest successes were in his first two seasons -- with another coach's players -- that's usually grounds for a scenery change. So I don't know what you are getting at in terms of revisionist history. Pooley had worn out his time here. He also had a lot more talent on the ice than Army has managed to recruit, making the disappointment even more aggravating. So you have to take that into consideration.
That said, Army has been a total, complete and unmitigated disaster. There's no beating around that bush. He's made Pooley's years of underachieving mediocrity (with superior talent) look like the Golden Era of Friar Hockey.
I wrote above that it's a sad sign of the decline of PC hockey that nobody on here posts about Army's record and demands change -- whereas we were all disappointed with Pooley and let it be known. You're right about that, I just said the same.
Now, nobody cares. There's nothing to say except intermittently wonder how long it's going to take before the school cuts him loose. It's like the program itself has become an afterthought. And that's even worse than reading the bellyaching of fans who used to give a **** and now don't bother going, much less posting on this board.
The point was that anyone with half a brain could figure out it was going to bomb. The school didn't have enough of a pre-established fan base then (even less now) to make that tournament a marketable draw, especially downtown in a dumpy Dunk. They needed to do more to reach out to regional programs that actually had fans -- whether it was inside the conference or out of it -- in order to sell tickets. Maybe they tried and they couldn't do it. I don't know, but either way, you didn't need to be a swami to predict it wasn't going to work.
Did YOU make a post that Tim would fail?? Did YOU see this team making a beeline for the basement of the conference??
There was someone who showed up on here, who knew Army from Portland, and told everyone "be careful what you wish for," that he would fail here as he did there and wasn't cut out to be a head coach.
Turns out he was right.
It has been shocking. It's actually, again, much worse than people seem to think when you look at the numbers in my sig (I have a feeling they'll be even more depressing once this season ends).
Despite his faults, Pooley managed to make 3 Hockey East championship games in his 10 years (2 of them in his first 2 seasons). Army is on the cusp of failing to make the Hockey East playoffs three straight times in 6 years. That's just unbelievable.
Given the downward trend of not just the Army era but really the whole post-McShane era (remember how much flack he took? he looks like a genius now compared to Army and Pooley), the larger issue right now is where hockey fits at PC. What kind of support it has. What kind of priority it has. Given the apparent lack of interest from the school, dated facilities, the disinterest of a dwindling (almost non-existent) fan base, you wonder if any coach at this point can make a go of it. Army has been a disaster, absolutely, but beyond that -- the future prospects don't look promising.
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Sorry to change the subject a bit, but I'm a BC fan thinking about heading down for the game on Friday. Is Bradley's the best/closest option for pregame? Also, do they still sell beer in that little club behind the net during intermissions? Thanks for the info/advice.
Sorry to change the subject a bit, but I'm a BC fan thinking about heading down for the game on Friday. Is Bradley's the best/closest option for pregame? Also, do they still sell beer in that little club behind the net during intermissions? Thanks for the info/advice.
Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
I was not an Army guy when he was hired and never have been. He was not my choice at all to take over for Pooley and I wouldn't have hired him for a number of reasons. That being said, I don't think any one of us wanted him to fail. I think everyone was optimistic that he would do well. I believe that almost every poster here wished him success whether he was their guy or not so I really don't get your point.
Glad you're back though. Were you away at that junction where most guys from Southie end up?
I missed the name dropping and pseudo insider information that you always spewed in the past so I'm glad that you picked up right where you left off. Hope that it continues!!!
BTW You'll like having Hokydad around. Even though you both pretend to be well connected and always sail off into the sunset when the program tanks deeper into oblivion, it's nice to have you two around for the time being telling us how little we know about your sport!!!
I was not an Army guy when he was hired and never have been. He was not my choice at all to take over for Pooley and I wouldn't have hired him for a number of reasons. That being said, I don't think any one of us wanted him to fail. I think everyone was optimistic that he would do well. I believe that almost every poster here wished him success whether he was their guy or not so I really don't get your point.
Glad you're back though. Were you away at that junction where most guys from Southie end up?
I missed the name dropping and pseudo insider information that you always spewed in the past so I'm glad that you picked up right where you left off. Hope that it continues!!!
BTW You'll like having Hokydad around. Even though you both pretend to be well connected and always sail off into the sunset when the program tanks deeper into oblivion, it's nice to have you two around for the time being telling us how little we know about your sport!!!
Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Welcome. The answer is yes if you are talking about outside establishments but the arena serves beer and wine in the Friends of Friar Hockey Room before and during the game if you don't want to stray too far. You don't need a pass to get in.
Welcome. The answer is yes if you are talking about outside establishments but the arena serves beer and wine in the Friends of Friar Hockey Room before and during the game if you don't want to stray too far. You don't need a pass to get in.
HockeyMan2000
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
I can't find the link online but Donaldson has another piece in today's Projo about the hockey and basketball team's (mis)fortunes, and again mentions PC's 0-9-4 league record.
Also the fact they've scored 5 goals in the last 4 games and have allowed 18.
I can't find the link online but Donaldson has another piece in today's Projo about the hockey and basketball team's (mis)fortunes, and again mentions PC's 0-9-4 league record.
Also the fact they've scored 5 goals in the last 4 games and have allowed 18.
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sterlippo1
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
i posted this on BC's thread but no answer yet and being the impatient type i figured i'd ask here as well......is there any stream you can buy to see tonights game? i checked your pcfriars.com site and in between the gametracker icon and gamenotes icon there is something that i think is cbssports but not sure..........
i posted this on BC's thread but no answer yet and being the impatient type i figured i'd ask here as well......is there any stream you can buy to see tonights game? i checked your pcfriars.com site and in between the gametracker icon and gamenotes icon there is something that i think is cbssports but not sure..........
Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Right here http://www.projo.com/sports/jimdonaldson/Donaldson_PC_Friars_02-11-11_MBMEKB9_v2.8f0a0d.html
Right here http://www.projo.com/sports/jimdonaldson/Donaldson_PC_Friars_02-11-11_MBMEKB9_v2.8f0a0d.html
HockeyMan2000
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
UVM killed Maine, so reality is setting in as 8th place now moves further away. The Friars are not going to make the Hockey East Quarterfinals for the 3rd consecutive season.
Army's record continues to set new depths for Friar hockey...insert adjective (or expletive) here.
UVM killed Maine, so reality is setting in as 8th place now moves further away. The Friars are not going to make the Hockey East Quarterfinals for the 3rd consecutive season.
Army's record continues to set new depths for Friar hockey...insert adjective (or expletive) here.
Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Tonights game was another hit on the nail. The nail is getting closer to the coffin.
Does Fiar Nation want to go with another alum? I say yes. Rick Bennett PC HOF 2011 should be a front runner. PC has done nothing serious since the early 90's. He has Union in the top with zero scholarships. He knows what it takes to be a good program and he is in touch with the PC way of old.
any thoughts?
Tonights game was another hit on the nail. The nail is getting closer to the coffin.
Does Fiar Nation want to go with another alum? I say yes. Rick Bennett PC HOF 2011 should be a front runner. PC has done nothing serious since the early 90's. He has Union in the top with zero scholarships. He knows what it takes to be a good program and he is in touch with the PC way of old.
any thoughts?
Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
Army has 2 more years I think so we are stuck......I think Fr Shanley cares little about the teams and Driscoll has been gutless
Army has 2 more years I think so we are stuck......I think Fr Shanley cares little about the teams and Driscoll has been gutless
HockeyMan2000
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
I say no. This program needs a total cleansing and someone from the outside. This whole "this guy understands PC" argument is over and done with since all we heard about was how much Army loved PC, understood the culture, got married here, blah blah blah. Look how much that's done for this program in his 6 seasons.
Time to start over with someone who's going to start their own culture of winning here, not another "PC guy". Who that is -- I have zero idea. But to keep Army here off back-to-back-to-back cellar-dwelling finishes and embarrassing records is going to send the wrong message to the hockey world that PC really cares nothing about the program.
Of course, he's still under contract for 2 years, and I get the sense he's not going anywhere. Given how PC operates, they'll probably finish 8th next year (break out the bubbly!) and reward him with another 6 year deal.
The best case scenario is that Army will recognize the end is nearing for his time behind the bench here...and much like Pooley, he'll bolt and save face before they fire him. I can't imagine he's not already figuring out where he could go, working his NHL connections or whatever, because only a mad man would re-sign him once we hit 2013.
I say no. This program needs a total cleansing and someone from the outside. This whole "this guy understands PC" argument is over and done with since all we heard about was how much Army loved PC, understood the culture, got married here, blah blah blah. Look how much that's done for this program in his 6 seasons.
Time to start over with someone who's going to start their own culture of winning here, not another "PC guy". Who that is -- I have zero idea. But to keep Army here off back-to-back-to-back cellar-dwelling finishes and embarrassing records is going to send the wrong message to the hockey world that PC really cares nothing about the program.
Of course, he's still under contract for 2 years, and I get the sense he's not going anywhere. Given how PC operates, they'll probably finish 8th next year (break out the bubbly!) and reward him with another 6 year deal.
The best case scenario is that Army will recognize the end is nearing for his time behind the bench here...and much like Pooley, he'll bolt and save face before they fire him. I can't imagine he's not already figuring out where he could go, working his NHL connections or whatever, because only a mad man would re-sign him once we hit 2013.
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squidjigger
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Re: Providence College 2010-2011 - Things are looking up.
As much as I hate BC I'm glad I didn't go tonight. My father who's a BU alum already asked me to go to next weekends game...I think I'm going to wear the BU jersey (It felt good even after they lost the beanpot semis) . Time to give up on those flying friars.
As much as I hate BC I'm glad I didn't go tonight. My father who's a BU alum already asked me to go to next weekends game...I think I'm going to wear the BU jersey (It felt good even after they lost the beanpot semis) . Time to give up on those flying friars.
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