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Providence - 2009-10 In-season Thread

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I certainly don't intend to denigrate Army at all, but when you write "not one other "HIGH" end D 1 program has scored 5 goals against them in over 25 years," are you trying to imply that no high end teams play them? Perusing Army's records over the years, they have given up five or more goals on numerous occasions.

I meant one player, not team....

I have more respect for Army hockey players then any other program in the country. What they stand for, how they conduct themselves and the effort they put out coupled with their schedule is unequaled. You would be shocked at what they go through on a daily basis during the season. Even when they played Merrimack on Saturday, they had a full morning(but nothing to do with hockey), hopped on a bus at noon and drove down and played. Then another full day Sunday. "Day's on the West Point campus start at around 5 am...

Of course this is a new year. Army hockey is in no shape fashion or form a second rate program and or a poor team.
 
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I understand that what Army's players do is impressive for atheletes/hockey players/soldiers/student-athletes, but I think the main point is that Merrimack didn't exactly lay 5 points from one player on UND or Miami or BU or Minnesota. They did it against an Atlantic Hockey team. Unless the team in question is Air Force, I'm curious to what this has to do PC's chances against them...
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 In-season Thread

I have the highest respect for the young men associated with the West Point program, they are ready to lay down their lives for all of us but that does not make the team better than what they are and they are a low ranked team in a poor conference. It also does not mean that the player who scored 5 goals against them is the next Gretsky.
Hockeydad has trouble seperating life from hockey
 
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An update on your visitors of two weeks ago, the University of New Brunswick Varsity Reds opened the AUS regular season on the weekend. They had their CIS championsip banner raising Friday and smoked the UPEI Panthers 10-0 while outshooting them 50-20. Hunter Tremblay, #7, had a hat-trick. On Saturday they beat the Unversité de Moncton 9-3, outshooting them 47-23 with Chis Culligan, #57, getting a hat-trick.

So ya, PC got beat by a good team in UNB.
 
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Just watching UNB play told me that !!!!! They were talented and fairly quick
 
Re: Providence - 2009-10 In-season Thread

An update on your visitors of two weeks ago, the University of New Brunswick Varsity Reds opened the AUS regular season on the weekend. They had their CIS championsip banner raising Friday and smoked the UPEI Panthers 10-0 while outshooting them 50-20. Hunter Tremblay, #7, had a hat-trick. On Saturday they beat the Unversité de Moncton 9-3, outshooting them 47-23 with Chis Culligan, #57, getting a hat-trick.

So ya, PC got beat by a good team in UNB.

UNB needs to join the NCAA and boost our rankings!
 
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I have the highest respect for the young men associated with the West Point program, they are ready to lay down their lives for all of us but that does not make the team better than what they are and they are a low ranked team in a poor conference. It also does not mean that the player who scored 5 goals against them is the next Gretsky.
Hockeydad has trouble seperating life from hockey

No I don't. Not one bit..

You said as follows

"They are still a second rate team"
" plays against any real D1 teams"
"you do against poor teams does not make you rookie of the year"

Army is one of 5 teams in NCAA history with over 1000 wins and is a great program. Not one coach in the country for a second would agree that they are any of the things you said. I guess they can't seperate the two as well.

Like last year when they beat Miami of Ohio, lost to Dartmouth in OT, lost to Union by 1 and made the qtr fianls.
The year before they lost 1 game out of their last 16 to win regular season crown and go deep in play offs.

Army is a great program with a tremendous tradition of success on and off the ice. Even two weeks ago they were ahead of undefeated Nebrska Omaha after two and lost 6-4 with an empty netter.
 
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I can only hope we dig up enough facts to somehow make AIC look like the Golden Gophers.
 
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If they have a 16 game unbeaten streak to end the season and beat Miami of Ohio, maybe we will.

The problem is that some of you have wandered into a habit of eevrything is flip and negative. Glass is 85% empty. It's not and if you went the other route you might have a little more fun at the games. It's the trend to be negative and dry negative sarcastic humor on forums but that does not mean it is right. Stop being a sheep and look at the good side of things, especially involving a sport we all love so much.
 
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If they have a 16 game unbeaten streak to end the season and beat Miami of Ohio, maybe we will.

The problem is that some of you have wandered into a habit of eevrything is flip and negative. Glass is 85% empty. It's not and if you went the other route you might have a little more fun at the games. It's the trend to be negative and dry negative sarcastic humor on forums but that does not mean it is right. Stop being a sheep and look at the good side of things, especially involving a sport we all love so much.

Ok, I'll bite.

I tend to be dry and sarcastic no matter what. I guess it's just a character flaw that I still need to work on. As far as being positve or negative, it depends on the actions or reactions of the person that I'm interacting with.
Our first introducion came with you calling me names because you didn't like the fact that I had an opinion that didn't jibe with your's. You were extremely negative and popped off with name calling despite the fact that you don't know anything about me.
To another point, I enjoy the heck out of the games. I have for years and that's why I have season tickets and donate to the program.
I appreciate the effort of the guys on this team win or lose, and have do so for years now. Most others on this board feel exactly the same. I do think the negativity that you run into is due to your selective amnesia and the fact that you tend to get too preachy for someone new to the threads (PC program et al.)
Granted, I'm not a big fan of the coach and that hasn't changed much despite the teams two wins. I've disliked the coach since I had dealings with him many years ago, personal knowledge of some of his dealings with players and their families and more recently when he started ripping his OWN players a few years back for their style of play and talent level, despite the fact they he recruited and coached them. If that makes me negative then so be it but that's my right as an individual and as a friend of some of the parents whose boys were ripped.
We can agree to disagree if you'd like but I think I'm very positive about all things related to the players and their play. I actually have glowing things to say about Coach Moore and Coach Berard. I'm just no big fan of the HC of the PCFs.
 
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The problem is that some of you have wandered into a habit of eevrything is flip and negative. Glass is 85% empty. It's not and if you went the other route you might have a little more fun at the games. It's the trend to be negative and dry negative sarcastic humor on forums but that does not mean it is right. Stop being a sheep and look at the good side of things, especially involving a sport we all love so much.

Thanks Dr. Phil!

That's right, please don't criticize Tim Army or PC. I mean, we've had SO MUCH to celebrate over the last 5....10...15...years of Friar Hockey. And Army, as in West Point? A bona-fide HOCKEY POWER for goodness sakes! I've been watching college hockey all my life, and never once -- ever -- have I ever heard anyone -- one person -- describe Army's program on that level.

I don't have the time (or the interest) in debating it, but Hokydad, out of their 1000 wins, how many were actually over Division 1 programs? Until relatively recently their wins have all come over Division 3 teams. Just go through their record book and you'll find season after season where their their wins were mostly over the likes of SUNY Plattsburgh, Iona and Middlebury.

I'm not saying they don't have a legacy and a history, but you are so off base attempting to pass them off as this program that's had year after year of success in DIVISION 1. It's not reality and the record book shows it. Why you would expect everyone to consider them a "great program" on the level of great D1 programs is just absurd. It's laughable. Are they more competitive in Division 1 than they used to be? Sure, I grant you that. And I admire them as a program...but they never have been some great D1 program. The facts don't match.

Man, I don't know if this thread has finally crossed over into the Twilight Zone or the school has sent out "spin meisters" to try to quell the "cranky message board people" but it smacks of the President's minions trying to portray dissenters as fringe-based crazies and racists. We're all "flip and negative," man we ought to be happy with the way things have gone! Hurray!! :rolleyes:

Granted, I'm not a big fan of the coach and that hasn't changed much despite the teams two wins. I've disliked the coach since I had dealings with him many years ago, personal knowledge of some of his dealings with players and their families and more recently when he started ripping his OWN players a few years back for their style of play and talent level, despite the fact they he recruited and coached them. If that makes me negative then so be it but that's my right as an individual and as a friend of some of the parents whose boys were ripped.

Same situation as 91 for me. I don't respect this coach for reasons he outlined -- if the players he recruits turn things around in spite of what he's done so far, then good for them. But I'm not that devoted of a fan to strap on the pompoms and pull for the program in spite of him, and I don't attend regularly anymore (so I don't pretend that I am, either). I did grow up going to Friar games, my parents were season ticket holders since the rink was built (until they also dumped their tickets last season), and I do hope things eventually turn around. I still love college hockey and I have friends who post on here who I enjoy reading and keeping up with what's happening -- but I severely doubt the Friar turnaround is going to be under Tim Army's watch.
 
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I don't have the time (or the interest) in debating it, but Hokydad, out of their 1000 wins, how many were actually over Division 1 programs? Until relatively recently their wins have all come over Division 3 teams. Just go through their record book and you'll find season after season where their their wins were mostly over the likes of SUNY Plattsburgh, Iona and Middlebury.

I'm not saying they don't have a legacy and a history, but you are so off base attempting to pass them off as this program that's had year after year of success in DIVISION 1. It's not reality and the record book shows it. Why you would expect everyone to consider them a "great program" on the level of great D1 programs is just absurd. It's laughable. Are they more competitive in Division 1 than they used to be? Sure, I grant you that. And I admire them as a program...but they never have been some great D1 program. The facts don't match.
Yeah, they don't suck as a program, but the two most successful programs in college hockey history win wise are Minnesota and Clarkson. Never heard Army mentioned once.

Man, I don't know if this thread has finally crossed over into the Twilight Zone or the school has sent out "spin meisters" to try to quell the "cranky message board people" but it smacks of the President's minions trying to portray dissenters as fringe-based crazies and racists. We're all "flip and negative," man we ought to be happy with the way things have gone! Hurray!! :rolleyes:
The athletic department should probably spend more time dealing with the fact that nothing has gone right for PC athletics since Corey "The Lunchline Doesn't Work for Me" was somehow allowed to take the last shot before OT against Arizona in the 1997 Elite Eight.
 
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I asked a D 1 head coach last night if he or any other head coaches look at West Point as a second rate team, not a real program or a poor team and he said, "no, anyone that would say that has no clue about college hockey"

I would dare say the vast majority of D 1 coaches feel the same way.

FYI, PC91, Your comments towards Army were pretty intense, but I didnt say anything until I noticed you crossed the line and dragged his 17 year old son into it, on more then one occasion. That is where I felt the line was crossed and called you names for teh sole purpose of seeing how you and a few others would react. I was not surprised but a little dissapointed that not one person came toa kids defense but would back you for saying it.

Your probably a great guy but clearly a hair jaded, which maybe I would be as well if a friends son was dealt with harshly. The HC's son had zero to do with your interactions, keep that in mind.
 
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I asked a D 1 head coach last night if he or any other head coaches look at West Point as a second rate team, not a real program or a poor team and he said, "no, anyone that would say that has no clue about college hockey"

Would you honestly expect him to say "Yeah they suck?"
 
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Stating the truth that TAs son is not ready for D1 hockey is a knock about him ??? The truth that playing for your father is a no win situation is wrong.....would you lie to the kid and have him embarassed because he can't keep up ? This I would concider cruel......As I stated before TA may be a good pro coach, not great or above average or he would be in the NHL, but he has yet to prove he can coach college players and that is his job
 
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FYI, PC91, Your comments towards Army were pretty intense, but I didnt say anything until I noticed you crossed the line and dragged his 17 year old son into it, on more then one occasion. That is where I felt the line was crossed and called you names for teh sole purpose of seeing how you and a few others would react. I was not surprised but a little dissapointed that not one person came toa kids defense but would back you for saying it.

I don't buy that for a second. My comments, which you reposted months later, out of context, were from last April. You saw them then, no doubt but chose to wait until after PC's first win???

I made a few statements then and stand by them today. They were made at a time when Army was ripping the players that he recruited and coached. He was talking about them not being ready for this level yet his son who was recruited by PC had not yet committed to playing prep hockey.
My remarks were also made in response to other posts as to whether Army was really leaving PC as the Journal was hinting at.
I mentioned Army's son as evidence that Army was going nowhere!!! Again there was speculation at the time that he might be going elsewhere and Army's son was topical then as he relates to his dad's desire to stay and coach his son.
I also believe that I mentioned Army's wife giving their other son and his friends buckets and plastic hockey sticks to bang in order to make noise at the quiet Coffin. The buckets were locked in a closet at the rink, to the left inside the press box. But you never mentioed that post.
You say that you called me names on purpose to prove a point??? You were MONTHS late with that one. I think that you jumped ugly and now you are backtracking. You contradict yourself often. No one came to his defense because there was no defense to come to. Fact is that he was recruited by his dad and needed time to season in prep hockey. He hadn't committed to prep at the time and his dad was ripping kids for not being ready for HE. I thought it was odd to say the least because Moses Brown is no hockey power that would make him ready to step right in either. So I pointed it out.
That's about it.
 
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