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POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed

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That they didn't vote is certainly on them but the people who should've done a better job of ensuring they vote and generating excitement, deserve more blame than them, is the point. Having a corporate shill centrist who realistically wasn't going to fix any of the bigger economic issues we face, combined with this "safe" strategy where it's assumed that they have it in the bag, is more deserving of blame. Just like the example I cited.

Oh, I agree. There's blame all over the place. But every single one of them now gets to sit back and reflect on what they did to the country. My conscience is clear.
 
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Oh, I agree. There's blame all over the place. But every single one of them now gets to sit back and reflect on what they did to the country. My conscience is clear.

Same here, and same with every liberal I know. But in future maybe the party should consider a nominee more aligned with Democratic values.
 
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It's fantastic isn't it? We go from a dignified scandal free, fantastic first family to FULL DERP on the 20th.
 
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Same here, and same with every liberal I know. But in future maybe the party should consider a nominee more aligned with Democratic values.

If only we had some sort of voting process among the party to determine that person. It would occur before the main election, so it would be like a primary election before the secondary election, if you will.
 
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If only we had some sort of voting process among the party to determine that person. It would occur before the main election, so it would be like a primary election before the secondary election, if you will.

We do. She won. No two ways about it. Was it unfair? Let's say it was. And then after that someone tell me what in their life right now is fair? She blew the campaign by trying to expand the map. It was a HUGE mistake. Somehow Clinton, the media, and Trump all put places like Georgia, and Arizona in play when they weren't. She took her eyes off Michigan and Pennsylvania. She didn't campaign as hard as he did. Add that to EMAILZ being somehow more evil then ***** grabbing and PRESTO, Trump is President.
 
We do. She won. No two ways about it. Was it unfair? Let's say it was. And then after that someone tell me what in their life right now is fair? She blew the campaign by trying to expand the map. It was a HUGE mistake. Somehow Clinton, the media, and Trump all put places like Georgia, and Arizona in play when they weren't. She took her eyes off Michigan and Pennsylvania. She didn't campaign as hard as he did. Add that to EMAILZ being somehow more evil then ***** grabbing and PRESTO, Trump is President.

I kind of think she ran the best campaign she could. I was talking to a woman(highly educated, makes good money, etc) yesterday who voted for Obama both times and she said she couldn't stand Hillary and especially disliked hearing her. If people saw Hillary more it might have actually hurt more than helped her. There is something about her people just don't like and her being more visible wouldn't have changed that.
 
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Same here, and same with every liberal I know. But in future maybe the party should consider a nominee more aligned with Democratic values.

Exactly, and I agree with you Scooby, I did my part.

If only we had some sort of voting process among the party to determine that person. It would occur before the main election, so it would be like a primary election before the secondary election, if you will.
Well she didn't win in my state. I hear where you're coming from but the Dems kinda stacked the deck against Bernie and even if he wasn't the man for the job, that doesn't negate the fact that she wasn't exactly ideal either. And if we know anything about elections (and I assume this is true for primaries as well) we know that money and support from leadership and donors matter and she definitely had more support in that regard.

I kind of think she ran the best campaign she could. I was talking to a woman(highly educated, makes good money, etc) yesterday who voted for Obama both times and she said she couldn't stand Hillary and especially disliked hearing her. If people saw Hillary more it might have actually hurt more than helped her. There is something about her people just don't like and her being more visible wouldn't have changed that.
I would agree that it was doomed from the start and anything beyond that in terms of strategy and whatnot is a secondary concern.
 
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I kind of think she ran the best campaign she could. I was talking to a woman(highly educated, makes good money, etc) yesterday who voted for Obama both times and she said she couldn't stand Hillary and especially disliked hearing her. If people saw Hillary more it might have actually hurt more than helped her. There is something about her people just don't like and her being more visible wouldn't have changed that.

Uh, huh. And they all just warm and fuzzy to the Orange Baboon, right? Every time the man opens his mouth I want to hurl vomit.
 
Uh, huh. And they all just warm and fuzzy to the Orange Baboon, right? Every time the man opens his mouth I want to hurl vomit.

We're irrational creatures. I wonder if where a lot of people had long ago made up their mind they disliked Hillary it made a difference.
 
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Running around waving your dick in the air is not leadership.

I agree completely. I will never confuse Trump's juvenile raving with "leadership". My point was simply that adversaries must find him just as unpredictable and lunatic as we do, giving him an advantage over Obama in asserting foreign policy. Obama was pretty predictably, "whatever you want, sirs" when it came to communicating American interests to dictators, despots, and ethnic cleansers abroad.
(whether the foreign policy he chooses to assert will be productive or, more likely, destructive, is another question)
 
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I kind of think she ran the best campaign she could. I was talking to a woman(highly educated, makes good money, etc) yesterday who voted for Obama both times and she said she couldn't stand Hillary and especially disliked hearing her. If people saw Hillary more it might have actually hurt more than helped her. There is something about her people just don't like and her being more visible wouldn't have changed that.

Never got that either but I think this is correct. Hillary had more support than Sanders despite all the bleating from his people, like somehow "brilliant" Evil Genius Debbie Wasserman Schultz managed to steal the nomination from him, a woman who couldn't manage a one car funeral. :rolleyes: And, I'll also say, is more aligned with the party than the far left is, as she was in agreement with them on almost all issues except for raising taxes on every single worker regardless of income.

But, until lefty voters start voting based on realism instead of nonsense like "I'd like to smoke weed with this person" while Republicans do show up and vote for their nominee no matter how odious, voters will continue to hand over the reigns of power to Republicans, all the while keeping their precious purity and not much else.
 
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Never got that either but I think this is correct. Hillary had more support than Sanders despite all the bleating from his people, like somehow "brilliant" Evil Genius Debbie Wasserman Schultz managed to steal the nomination from him, a woman who couldn't manage a one car funeral. :rolleyes: And, I'll also say, is more aligned with the party than the far left is, as she was in agreement with them on almost all issues except for raising taxes on every single worker regardless of income.

But, until lefty voters start voting based on realism instead of nonsense like "I'd like to smoke weed with this person" while Republicans do show up and vote for their nominee no matter how odious, voters will continue to hand over the reigns of power to Republicans, all the while keeping their precious purity and not much else.

Won't happen. Lefty voters are just going to have to outnumber by huge margins because they will always have people crying about the nominee. Always. This election proves more than any other how the righties will vote for anyone as long as it's affiliated with their party.
 
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With malice toward none, with charity for all.

Lincoln may have been charitable, but refused to give his country away. Frankly, chalking up your willingness to do so to your weak mind rather than malice seems charitable.
 
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Uh, huh. And they all just warm and fuzzy to the Orange Baboon, right? Every time the man opens his mouth I want to hurl vomit.

Just because a person couldn't stand Hillary doesn't mean they like Trump. You've created a false dichotomy of thought/choices for people. A person can dislike both grape and strawberry jellies yet still find another option for putting a spread on their morning toast.
 
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We do. She won. No two ways about it. Was it unfair? Let's say it was. And then after that someone tell me what in their life right now is fair? She blew the campaign by trying to expand the map. It was a HUGE mistake. Somehow Clinton, the media, and Trump all put places like Georgia, and Arizona in play when they weren't. She took her eyes off Michigan and Pennsylvania. She didn't campaign as hard as he did. Add that to EMAILZ being somehow more evil then ***** grabbing and PRESTO, Trump is President.

Yes, you can argue about if the campaign had poor strategy all you want, and there are a lot of good points in there (though in a world where that many people can vote for Trump with everything they knew about him, I don't know how to use logic anymore). But my response is to this idea that the party ignored the will of the people, when in the end more people voted for her in the primaries. Maybe her voters weren't as loud, but a vote's a vote.

Well she didn't win in my state. I hear where you're coming from but the Dems kinda stacked the deck against Bernie and even if he wasn't the man for the job, that doesn't negate the fact that she wasn't exactly ideal either. And if we know anything about elections (and I assume this is true for primaries as well) we know that money and support from leadership and donors matter and she definitely had more support in that regard.

The deck wasn't stacked against anyone. The deck was laid out well before anyone threw their hat in. Everyone knew how many votes they needed, in what formats (primary v caucus) they need them, from day one. Yes it's hard to get that many, but it's that way for a reason. And yes, the person who had worked in the party for 25 years in a variety of positions, who had campaign and helped other members the whole time, in the end got more endorsements and money raising than the guy who was only halfway in the party. But in the end the voters can ignore endorsements and money all they want (money or now, Bernie didn't exactly have a lack of press attention) and in the end they made their choice, and she won given the rules of the primary.
 
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By my recollection the last inspirational Republican was Reagan. Yet the Republicans elected 3 Presidents since then, 2 stiffs from the Bush family and a lunatic (Trump). If Dems continue to wait for JFK/Obama types instead of also showing up for people who have the same policies even if they can't match the rhetoric, they will continue to lose until as Scooby says there are so many more Dems that even after factoring in the laziness of that side they still outnumber the knucks.
 
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