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POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
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trixR4kids
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Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
You're right but the polling definitely screwed up when it came to WI, Mich, FL, and some of the other swing states.
You're right but the polling definitely screwed up when it came to WI, Mich, FL, and some of the other swing states.
The Sicatoka
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Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
Probably moreso than the majority of the electorate; and, based on failing to make even the token effort stops in MI, WI, and PA, the Clinton campaign as well.
I believe she'd have won if she'd have made two 1-hour airport stops in each in the final 90 days of the campaign. I base this on nothing more than narrow margins.
Probably moreso than the majority of the electorate; and, based on failing to make even the token effort stops in MI, WI, and PA, the Clinton campaign as well.
I believe she'd have won if she'd have made two 1-hour airport stops in each in the final 90 days of the campaign. I base this on nothing more than narrow margins.
Spartanforlife4
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I forgot which poll it was, but it was one that had Trump closer than others. They realized a lot of people would "vote for their neighbor." I.e. Wouldn't say they were voting for Trump, but when asked who they though their neighbors would vote for they would say Trump.
Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
I believe she did in fact spend time in PA. Also, I find it highly doubtful showing up for an hour in either MI or WI would have changed the outcome much unless she was throwing $100 bills from the airplane.
Lastly, I'd beware of surveys asking people if they voted, as given the outcome people are going to say they voted even though they didn't. I'm not sure yet if millennials were the ones not voting (or voting 3rd party) or 60's liberals or non-whites or whatever, but somebody didn't show up. Trump won many of these states with less votes than Obama won in 2012, and since his total voters were only about 1M higher than Romneys the conclusion has to be that many Dems didn't bother to participate.
I believe she did in fact spend time in PA. Also, I find it highly doubtful showing up for an hour in either MI or WI would have changed the outcome much unless she was throwing $100 bills from the airplane.
Lastly, I'd beware of surveys asking people if they voted, as given the outcome people are going to say they voted even though they didn't. I'm not sure yet if millennials were the ones not voting (or voting 3rd party) or 60's liberals or non-whites or whatever, but somebody didn't show up. Trump won many of these states with less votes than Obama won in 2012, and since his total voters were only about 1M higher than Romneys the conclusion has to be that many Dems didn't bother to participate.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
Not really. The polling only "screws up" if the exit polls and and actuals are different. It's entirely possible that the lines crossed one last time on Election Day. IIRC Carter would have won in 1980 if the election had been a week later.
Timing is everything.
Not really. The polling only "screws up" if the exit polls and and actuals are different. It's entirely possible that the lines crossed one last time on Election Day. IIRC Carter would have won in 1980 if the election had been a week later.
Timing is everything.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Hillary did not run a bad campaign. It wasn't anything memorable (in fact I can't remember anything she said), but it was a basic cable package American political campaign -- safe and unambitious -- at that is exactly what was called for when running against a mobile dumpster fire.
The country belched in the face of the Founders and gave us a steaming hairball for a president. There is nothing Hillary could have done about that except, maybe, not run. And even then... I mean, if the country is going to vote for Trump, they're not in the booth carefully weighing the options. This was their golden shower on the rule of law -- their longing for a dictator to take the responsibility of governing in a complex world off their shoulders. This was the Israelites bowing down to Baal. Another pep rally in Lancaster County wasn't going to stop that train.
I believe she did in fact spend time in PA. Also, I find it highly doubtful showing up for an hour in either MI or WI would have changed the outcome much unless she was throwing $100 bills from the airplane.
Hillary did not run a bad campaign. It wasn't anything memorable (in fact I can't remember anything she said), but it was a basic cable package American political campaign -- safe and unambitious -- at that is exactly what was called for when running against a mobile dumpster fire.
The country belched in the face of the Founders and gave us a steaming hairball for a president. There is nothing Hillary could have done about that except, maybe, not run. And even then... I mean, if the country is going to vote for Trump, they're not in the booth carefully weighing the options. This was their golden shower on the rule of law -- their longing for a dictator to take the responsibility of governing in a complex world off their shoulders. This was the Israelites bowing down to Baal. Another pep rally in Lancaster County wasn't going to stop that train.
trixR4kids
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Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
That's really interesting and it seems like they actually did their homework on how to frame the question for this particular election.
Also a good point, I haven't seen the data I'd be curious as well. My dad claimed black votes were way down but I'm not sure where he got that from.
Maybe, but I think a lot of people on the Dem side are tired of politicians who aren't progressive and are really just centrist corporate shills that have no interest in actually fixing the problems that have affected our economy (people hiding their money overseas to avoid paying taxes, prosecuting those who caused the financial crisis/fixing the regulations that caused it). Obviously people were dumb enough to support Trump and believe anything he said but the bigger issue (and yes she won the popular vote etc.) was that she just didn't generate the excitement that Obama did and I believe her numbers were down from his when all was said and done.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
Trump finds his true level.
Has there ever been a period in American politics in which smart/dumb aligns so well with the parties?
I'm not arguing the stupid don't deserve a voice. Remember Sen. Roman Hruska (R-NE) at the SCOTUS comfirmation hearing for G. Harrold Carswell:
There are, indeed, more stupid people than smart people. But even though there has been a noted tendency towards an alignment in the last 36 years, has it ever been anything like it is now?
Trump finds his true level.
Has there ever been a period in American politics in which smart/dumb aligns so well with the parties?
I'm not arguing the stupid don't deserve a voice. Remember Sen. Roman Hruska (R-NE) at the SCOTUS comfirmation hearing for G. Harrold Carswell:
There are, indeed, more stupid people than smart people. But even though there has been a noted tendency towards an alignment in the last 36 years, has it ever been anything like it is now?
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Unrelated essay about beautiful rumors which I enjoyed.
Andrew Jackson was very similarly a riotous populist to the unlearned, right?
Unrelated essay about beautiful rumors which I enjoyed.
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Dems have a problem of the perception that they can't get anything done. This is unfortunately on Obama who I happen to like quite a bit. As fitting with the personality of a Constitutional law professor, his deliberate approach led to solutions that took way too long to implement. Of all the knuckledragger complaints about the ACA, they did have one way down the list of grievances that was a legitimate gripe, which was in the time it took for the administration to set up the exchanges and get them up and running correctly FDR had mobilized the country to fight and to win a two front war vs the Nazis and Japan. I'd say the same thing about the Dodd-Frank regulations which while very worthwhile should not have taken 6 years after the law had passed to be phased in.
Republicans may be lunatics, but they give their voters what they want which is quick action on their priorities at the time. Bush II for example didn't take 5 years to fake intelligence on Saddam's WMD's...
Dems have a problem of the perception that they can't get anything done. This is unfortunately on Obama who I happen to like quite a bit. As fitting with the personality of a Constitutional law professor, his deliberate approach led to solutions that took way too long to implement. Of all the knuckledragger complaints about the ACA, they did have one way down the list of grievances that was a legitimate gripe, which was in the time it took for the administration to set up the exchanges and get them up and running correctly FDR had mobilized the country to fight and to win a two front war vs the Nazis and Japan. I'd say the same thing about the Dodd-Frank regulations which while very worthwhile should not have taken 6 years after the law had passed to be phased in.
Republicans may be lunatics, but they give their voters what they want which is quick action on their priorities at the time. Bush II for example didn't take 5 years to fake intelligence on Saddam's WMD's...
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
More meltdowns for the Orange Baboon.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/...ransition.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
More meltdowns for the Orange Baboon.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/...ransition.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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That was more establishment money vs The Great Unwashed, or city vs rural. There are parallels, mostly in the way each faked a persona to appeal to his public.
Jackson was in reality highly accomplished: a self-taught lawyer thought well enough of to be appointed first a Territorial Solicitor and then to the Tennessee Supreme Court, a successful investor who helped found among other places Memphis, a major general in the Tennessee militia, and a member of the House of Representatives and the US Senate. He was, in a word, intelligent.
Trump, by contrast, is a high functioning moron who without his money would be a guest on Maury.
That was more establishment money vs The Great Unwashed, or city vs rural. There are parallels, mostly in the way each faked a persona to appeal to his public.
Jackson was in reality highly accomplished: a self-taught lawyer thought well enough of to be appointed first a Territorial Solicitor and then to the Tennessee Supreme Court, a successful investor who helped found among other places Memphis, a major general in the Tennessee militia, and a member of the House of Representatives and the US Senate. He was, in a word, intelligent.
Trump, by contrast, is a high functioning moron who without his money would be a guest on Maury.
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Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
Love this quote:
As honeymoons go, Donald Trump's wasn't much to write home about. He was voted in as the most unpopular president-elect in modern history and got slightly less unpopular in the weeks that followed, as the goodwill flowed. Even then, though, he clearly remained the most unpopular president-elect in modern history. Again, that was the honeymoon.
And now it's over.
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/01/this_new_poll_has_all_kinds_of.html
All kinds of bad news for Trump...or rather us.
Love this quote:
As honeymoons go, Donald Trump's wasn't much to write home about. He was voted in as the most unpopular president-elect in modern history and got slightly less unpopular in the weeks that followed, as the goodwill flowed. Even then, though, he clearly remained the most unpopular president-elect in modern history. Again, that was the honeymoon.
And now it's over.
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/01/this_new_poll_has_all_kinds_of.html
All kinds of bad news for Trump...or rather us.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
Yeah, if liberals weren't such lazy asses he wouldn't even be in there.
Yeah, if liberals weren't such lazy asses he wouldn't even be in there.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
The Democrats' job is to hang Trump around the neck of the GOP and make him the poster child of Republican duplicity and self-servng narcissism for the next hundred years.
Give em enough rope!
The Democrats' job is to hang Trump around the neck of the GOP and make him the poster child of Republican duplicity and self-servng narcissism for the next hundred years.
Give em enough rope!
FlagDUDE08
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Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
What Rosie O'Donnell wants... http://www.infowars.com/rosie-odonnell-i-support-martial-law-to-delay-trump-inauguration/
What Rosie O'Donnell wants... http://www.infowars.com/rosie-odonnell-i-support-martial-law-to-delay-trump-inauguration/
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
tl;dr: The fake news doesn't like Trump, so no one does.
tl;dr: The fake news doesn't like Trump, so no one does.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
Schumer is good at that. So was Harry back in the day. Should be able to be done.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed
Meanwhile the new Secretary of State is already working on starting a war.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/...china-sea.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Good plan.
Meanwhile the new Secretary of State is already working on starting a war.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/...china-sea.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Good plan.
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