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POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

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Handyman said:
Did you see Mike Pence on with George Stephanapolous being asked about false tweets? Tops dont spin that much...
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Sane people have to stop this. We need a non-partisan movement to push back against fake news. Peter Thiel bankrupted Gawker. We need to bankrupt Breitbart & Co. the same way the next time they incite violence and someone is hurt.

These are not news organizations and hiding behind the protection of political speech is a bastardization of the Founders' intent. If there's a lefty equivalent they need to go down too.
 
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joecct said:
Here is a fascinating series of maps in Friday's WaPo on the national (lower 48) infrastructure.

A non paywall version
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They must have some size criteria on the pipeline map. There are a whole bunch of gathering pipelines in western ND that I know about that are not shown; however, they seem to be showing all the gathering size lines in the OK fracking region. Confused.

And is it wrong to admit that I can pick out cities and highways in the upper Midwest just based on the electricity, coal plant, and NG plant maps?
 
Kepler said:
Sane people have to stop this. We need a non-partisan movement to push back against fake news. Peter Thiel bankrupted Gawker. We need to bankrupt Breitbart & Co. the same way the next time they incite violence and someone is hurt.

These are not news organizations and hiding behind the protection of political speech is a bastardization of the Founders' intent. If there's a lefty equivalent they need to go down too.
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It's too late. As Dan Rather eloquently puts it, we live in a "Post-Truth" world. Don't like the truth? Find some whack answer that actually fits your bias. Then shout the whack answer the loudest.
 
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Kepler said:
These are not news organizations and hiding behind the protection of political speech is a bastardization of the Founders' intent.
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So there weren't printing presses and (let's call them, no matter the political bent, what they are) liars back in the times of the founders?

The only difference today is that the printing press is called a tweet.
 
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aparch said:
It's too late. As Dan Rather eloquently puts it, we live in a "Post-Truth" world. Don't like the truth? Find some whack answer that actually fits your bias. Then shout the whack answer the loudest.
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There has always been a market for Untruth. It waxes and wanes. Right now it is waxing because of the distrust of elites and by extension gatekeepers. But that's an infinite regress: just as InfoWars eats away at the MSM, somebody will come along and flank InfoWars. The strategy of cynically lying inevitably undercuts itself by fragmenting its captive audience down to where the instant any disseminator violates any whim of any audience member they will de-legitimatize themselves.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
So there weren't printing presses and (let's call them, no matter the political bent, what they are) liars back in the times of the founders?

The only difference today is that the printing press is called a tweet.
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See above. I do have confidence that in the end the problem solves itself. But that is no consolation if some nutbar cranked up on lies murders somebody. If that happens and it is directly traceable back to a lie, that should be grounds for prosecution. Your rights end where my nose begins.
 
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Handyman said:
Did you see Mike Pence on with George Stephanapolous being asked about false tweets? Tops dont spin that much...
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I did not.

Edit: Holy crap... That's bad. That's... really bad.
 
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There won't be much interest on the right if it is true, as the guy in the NPR story suggests, that fake news stories are like red meat to those on the right but rarely gain purchase with liberals.
 
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Kepler said:
Sane people have to stop this. We need a non-partisan movement to push back against fake news. Peter Thiel bankrupted Gawker. We need to bankrupt Breitbart & Co. the same way the next time they incite violence and someone is hurt.

These are not news organizations and hiding behind the protection of political speech is a bastardization of the Founders' intent. If there's a lefty equivalent they need to go down too.
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Mike Pence is hardly sane...
 
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The Sicatoka said:
RE: Fake news.

So is anyone that ran with "hands up, don't shoot" in Ferguson now deemed a fake news source?

WaPo says it never happened.

Jonathan Capehart says it was built on a lie.

So, fake news or misreporting.


The horrific is horrific on its own. There's no need for hyperbolic hyper (fake?) reporting.
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Are the "Hands Up, Dont Shoot" people walking into pizzeria's and firing weapons?

False news is wrong no matter who does it (which is why I have blocked Liberal Lie factories like Addicted to Info from my feeds) but lets play false equivalency mmkay? What the Right is doing and inciting is not the same thing no matter how much you want to pretend it is.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
RE: Fake news.

So is anyone that ran with "hands up, don't shoot" in Ferguson now deemed a fake news source?

WaPo says it never happened.

Jonathan Capehart says it was built on a lie.

So, fake news or misreporting.


The horrific is horrific on its own. There's no need for hyperbolic hyper (fake?) reporting.
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The hands up story isn't what I'd consider "fake news." It's a symptom of something else that is wrong in the current news world, which is the decision that most organizations go with now to simply print or report on supposed "facts" without actually checking to see if they might be true.

I think I posted this before in the movies thread, but I watched the Amanda Knox documentary on Netflix awhile back, and one of the things that struck me was the interviews with the British journalist who had many of the "scoops" on the story that just turned out to be bogus. It seems pretty clear he had no malicious intent and was not intending to create fake news. As he described, he was simply reporting what he heard from sources. The problem was, many of these "facts" were capable of being either proven or refuted with a little more digging (things such as Knox' background), but as the reporter said, to actually try to confirm or refute the facts would require time, and that means he'd lose the scoop. He'd rather just write it as reported to him, get credit for the scoop, and let it sort itself out later. Too many "journalists" take the same approach.
 
Re: POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

The Sicatoka said:
RE: Fake news.

So is anyone that ran with "hands up, don't shoot" in Ferguson now deemed a fake news source?

WaPo says it never happened.

Jonathan Capehart says it was built on a lie.

So, fake news or misreporting.


The horrific is horrific on its own. There's no need for hyperbolic hyper (fake?) reporting.
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Not even close to the same, while the Ferguson incident was certainly misreported, it was at least based in reality. Just watch the therapist in Florida take a few with his hands up saying don't shoot. On the hand, Hillary Clinton's secret child sex ring run out of a pizza joint....
 
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SJHovey said:
The hands up story isn't what I'd consider "fake news." It's a symptom of something else that is wrong in the current news world, which is the decision that most organizations go with now to simply print or report on supposed "facts" without actually checking to see if they might be true.

I think I posted this before in the movies thread, but I watched the Amanda Knox documentary on Netflix awhile back, and one of the things that struck me was the interviews with the British journalist who had many of the "scoops" on the story that just turned out to be bogus. It seems pretty clear he had no malicious intent and was not intending to create fake news. As he described, he was simply reporting what he heard from sources. The problem was, many of these "facts" were capable of being either proven or refuted with a little more digging (things such as Knox' background), but as the reporter said, to actually try to confirm or refute the facts would require time, and that means he'd lose the scoop. He'd rather just write it as reported to him, get credit for the scoop, and let it sort itself out later. Too many "journalists" take the same approach.
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Too many? How about ALL of them. Even if it turns out they get something right, they most likely didn't take the time to confirm it before publishing.

The news media would have more credibility if they'd own up to their mistakes in the same way as the publish "scoops". The New York Times has a well documented history of a front page scoop with a page 30 retraction a week later. See, Judith Miller or anything Clinton related. Basically they leave the public ombudsman to take the flack, while never actually changing the way the paper operates.

60 Minutes is another good example. For their ridiculous Benghazi story where some guy claimed he went Rambo after he got the discredited "stand down" order and it turned out he was no where near the action which a simple phone call would have confirmed, they suspended the reporter for a few weeks then afterword she issued a lame non-apology at the end of a show two months later. Not good enough. Firing her immediately and then a full story about how they got duped by a guy promoting a book, right down to the part where Lara Logan didn't do her due diligence because she was banging the guy would have gotten them some credibility back. Now there's not much reason to believe anything they broadcast.
 
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