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POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

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The Sicatoka said:
It was Podesta's staffers who talked about Catholics. And those folks are liberal Catholics grousing about more conservative Catholics. Grousing is what Catholics do*! :D
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441074/podesta-leaks-catholicism-undermined

The occult stuff is classic to what I've been saying --> Just say what's going on; no need to add to it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ecret-satanist-dinner/?utm_term=.197d97ad1f4e
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The false equivalence is strong in this one...

It's funny because when the discussion of fake news started out I dismissed it as being something that would eventually snuff itself out and anyway nobody with any brains would fall for it. But it's more complicated than that. It's not exactly that smart righties fall for fake stories. It's that they are willing to hand wave over them and then try to draw some equivalent case from the other side, which typically is itself just more righty poutrage.

Hey, maybe they're right and I'm the blind one here. It just seems like so many Good Germans going about their busy day and wilfully blinding themselves to the monster in their name slouching towards Bethlehem.
 
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Kepler said:
The false equivalence is strong in this one...
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I'm not sure if that's aimed at me.

I'm just pointing out how something with one iota of truth (there were references to Catholics in Podesta, not Clinton, emails; Podesta was invited to "spirit cooking", but did he go?) is suddenly sprung to be something so much more, so conspiratorial, and not so. And people buy the whole thing based off the one iota. It's a head-shaker to me.
 
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Kepler said:
The false equivalence is strong in this one...

It's funny because when the discussion of fake news started out I dismissed it as being something that would eventually snuff itself out and anyway nobody with any brains would fall for it. But it's more complicated than that. It's not exactly that smart righties fall for fake stories. It's that they are willing to hand wave over them and then try to draw some equivalent case from the other side, which typically is itself just more righty poutrage.

Hey, maybe they're right and I'm the blind one here. It just seems like so many Good Germans going about their busy day and wilfully blinding themselves to the monster in their name slouching towards Bethlehem.
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Let me ask this question. Does anyone else here think that at least part of what is going on is kind of the juvenile pleasure people get out of insulting others?

So let's say someone with intense dislike for Clinton plants some "fake news" to the effect Clinton's foundation stole money from Planned Parenthood. This person then gets it out there by tweeting it or linking to it in some blog, or whatever.

Along come some other "anti-Clinton" readers, for lack of a better term, and read the fake news. Don't you think a lot of these people know it's fake news but enjoy retweeting it or linking to it just as a way of basically flipping off a politician they don't like. They don't really care that it's b.s.

And if that's the case, who really cares. Who cares if when someone on the left calls Trump a thief for running a scam University and someone on the right responds that Clinton is a thief and cites to a story they know or suspect is false. It's all just a way of insulting the candidate, and I suppose the person supporting them. Does it really matter, other than it gives everyone here the chance to once again engage in their favorite USCHO insult, accusing someone of false equivalency?
 
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SJHovey said:
Let me ask this question. Does anyone else here think that at least part of what is going on is kind of the juvenile pleasure people get out of insulting others?

So let's say someone with intense dislike for Clinton plants some "fake news" to the effect Clinton's foundation stole money from Planned Parenthood. This person then gets it out there by tweeting it or linking to it in some blog, or whatever.

Along come some other "anti-Clinton" readers, for lack of a better term, and read the fake news. Don't you think a lot of these people know it's fake news but enjoy retweeting it or linking to it just as a way of basically flipping off a politician they don't like. They don't really care that it's b.s.

And if that's the case, who really cares. Who cares if when someone on the left calls Trump a thief for running a scam University and someone on the right responds that Clinton is a thief and cites to a story they know or suspect is false. It's all just a way of insulting the candidate, and I suppose the person supporting them. Does it really matter, other than it gives everyone here the chance to once again engage in their favorite USCHO insult, accusing someone of false equivalency?
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I think that is definitely part of it...but I disagree on the "who cares" because we have seen that the un-initiated arent doing it to poke fun they believe it. While Flynn and his son might be doing it on a lark they need to realize there are people out there reading this crap who are buying it. Going forward they need to be a bit more responsible.

See the problem is now that people assume if Trump or Hillary re-tweet something it means they support it and they believe it. They cant read between the lines. (or they dont want to) The guy at the Pizzeria obviously hated Clinton anyways...he reads that "story" on twitter linked by members of the administration he likes and he believes it. He feels he is in a position to stop it Rambo style so he becomes the "good guy with a gun" and goes to stop those evil Clintons from selling children into sex slavery.

When you have a loud voice, you need to be more responsible how you use it. We are learning on the fly the reach this stuff has now.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I get how something simple sounding adds up fast when it comes to cost. (I deal with building new or retrofitting existing industrial machinery.)

Given that, I'd say buy a half dozen stock Citation X+ jets (mach 0.95). The President and minimum staff fly in those as Air Force 1. Fly three at a time and drop an air cover squadron around each (for misdirection). Make the press and non-essential staff ride in a stock 747 along behind or ahead. I think I just came in under $4 billion. ... Yes, yes, there are hundreds of unworkable aspects to that.
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No. As a taxpayer I'm willing to pay $4 billion to protect the most important person on earth. You have this idea that AFO is just transportation. It's a mobile White House. It needs to have the complete capabilities of the White House but do it at 35,000 feet.
 
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Handyman said:
I think that is definitely part of it...but I disagree on the "who cares" because we have seen that the un-initiated arent doing it to poke fun they believe it. While Flynn and his son might be doing it on a lark they need to realize there are people out there reading this crap who are buying it. Going forward they need to be a bit more responsible.

See the problem is now that people assume if Trump or Hillary re-tweet something it means they support it and they believe it. They cant read between the lines. (or they dont want to) The guy at the Pizzeria obviously hated Clinton anyways...he reads that "story" on twitter linked by members of the administration he likes and he believes it. He feels he is in a position to stop it Rambo style so he becomes the "good guy with a gun" and goes to stop those evil Clintons from selling children into sex slavery.

When you have a loud voice, you need to be more responsible how you use it. We are learning on the fly the reach this stuff has now.
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This.

The right likes to pretend that this is a harmless vice. A man walked into a pizzeria and fired a gun because of a tweet.

Playtime is over. It's time to take this as serious as it has become.
 
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-air-force-one-senate-reaction-232262

“It’s up to him — it’s his plane,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. “If he can get it done cheaper, good.”
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The committee’s chairman, John McCain, said it was Trump’s “prerogative” to question the costs of the new planes.

“It’s going to be his airplane,” said the Arizona Republican. “I’m concerned about the costs as well.”
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No, it's not! It's for a president that will take office, God forbid, two years after Trump's longest possible term.

Edit: Oh, and according to Politico, the planes are $3 billion, not $4 billion. He can't even get that right.
 
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Oh, and one more thing, if Donald is so worried about taxpayers' money, he can start by announcing that Melania and his kid are going to be living in the White House and that Trump Tower is no longer going to be considered the White House North.
 
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SJHovey said:
Let me ask this question. Does anyone else here think that at least part of what is going on is kind of the juvenile pleasure people get out of insulting others?

So let's say someone with intense dislike for Clinton plants some "fake news" to the effect Clinton's foundation stole money from Planned Parenthood. This person then gets it out there by tweeting it or linking to it in some blog, or whatever.

Along come some other "anti-Clinton" readers, for lack of a better term, and read the fake news. Don't you think a lot of these people know it's fake news but enjoy retweeting it or linking to it just as a way of basically flipping off a politician they don't like. They don't really care that it's b.s.

And if that's the case, who really cares. Who cares if when someone on the left calls Trump a thief for running a scam University and someone on the right responds that Clinton is a thief and cites to a story they know or suspect is false. It's all just a way of insulting the candidate, and I suppose the person supporting them. Does it really matter, other than it gives everyone here the chance to once again engage in their favorite USCHO insult, accusing someone of false equivalency?
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I think juvenile pleasure may have been part of the motivation in the beginning, although if the stories about "fake news mills" in Eastern Europe are true then the number one motivation now seems to be completely non-partisan profit.

It matters when it starts to have real world effects. I think I mentioned it in passing before but to me this seems like In the Mouth of Madness. In that, there is a book about a book that disorients its readers and drives the world into a dystopia. Further, reality is a fabric that is based on what people think, so the descent into madness actually changes reality -- the madness of the readers brings about an actual "mad world" in the vicinity of readers. What with one thing and another it turns out the book is itself the book in question, all very Lovecraftian. When the book's rights are sold for a movie the audience of the story reaches critical mass and the world becomes actually insane.

So, in OTL, we have fake news stories which seem to have actually affected, possibly decisively, the election. This is in the wake of years of if not fake then extremely slanted coverage that has turned a sizable portion of the right into gibbering idiots who are terrified of things that literally have no objective existence, and who likewise think other factual things about the world are just a conspiracy. It's the crazy paranoid uncle, magnified into a large enough group to sway elections, now reaching its culmination in swaying the national election, just in time for a candidate with no grasp of reality and no apparent ethical or moral core. But this is reality now -- a large enough group made up its own parallel reality, which was funny, but now has control over the sane people, which is not funny at all.

That's why this moved from joke to crisis on November 8th. Republicans seem to not be worried about it, or not even acknowledge it, because their bread happens to be buttered by this. But (a) that's an accident, it could have happened the other way, and (b) this is now reality, which means future campaigns will be run according to this terrain. The next "post-factual" candidacy could literally be anybody.
 
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Worth a try.

Two presidential electors in Colorado are heading to court Tuesday to try and boost their extreme long-shot gambit to stop Donald Trump from officially being elected president when the Electoral College votes on Dec. 19.

Democratic electors Polly Baca and Robert Nemanich are filing suit in federal court to overturn a state law that forces them to support the winner of Colorado's presidential popular vote, in this case Hillary Clinton. But a successful bid, they say, would undermine similar laws in 28 other states, empowering Republican electors in those states to reject Trump.
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There are already two TX electors who have refused to vote for Trump. One resigned, the other is trying to create a movement for a compromise candidate like Kasich.

I agree with the Comment to that story:

It would seem that the electoral college has gone 200+ years waiting for this exact moment. If they cant act now, then what purpose do they serve?
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My first modest proposal would be elect Clinton since with a Republican Congress nothing would happen. We would essentially be choosing a 4 year timeout. That's too much to ask for the GOP electors, however. It's too bad Johnson is so lame, otherwise he'd be easy to get behind as a logical non-partisan candidate. So we're left with a Republican but one who enough Democratic electors would choose, so that should screen out the extremists. Kasich is no cuddly bunny,but he would be far better than Trump. I suppose they could also choose Pence and essentially claim they are backing the elected ticket, just not the lunatic at the head of it.

Do the electors also have to put up a VP? I guess so. In that case, make Trump the VP. I'm sure he'd like that. :p
 
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The Time Warner CEO just stepped in front of a freight train.

"The threat to the First Amendment came from the Democratic side, ...

"If anybody is going to change the First Amendment — remember, the Democratic party had a campaign plank to change the First Amendment, and they were doing it in the guise of campaign finance reform."

"That was worrying me more, because the press tends to miss that because they tend to lean that way, and therefore they were supporting what they were viewing, I think overly charitably, as something in cleaning up money in politics when in fact what it would do is restrain multiple voices," Bewkes argued. "So, I thought the threat to the First Amendment came from the Democratic side more. I think there won't be a serious effort on the Republican side."
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I disagree. It's not Ds or Rs.
The side in power always looks to squelch the voices they don't like.
The other side reminds them they won't always be in power (what goes around comes around).

Bewkes just pointed out what the Ds issue is (campaign finance).
Trump's already tipped his hand (flag burning).
And stand by, surely more to follow.
 
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Except 'the left' won't stop pushing for campaign finance reform even now when they're no longer on power. You do love your false eq's.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
No. As a taxpayer I'm willing to pay $4 billion to protect the most important person on earth. You have this idea that AFO is just transportation. It's a mobile White House. It needs to have the complete capabilities of the White House but do it at 35,000 feet.
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But does it come equipped with Rich Corinthian Leather?

BTW - What is PEtD's campaign walk in song?
 
dxmnkd316 said:
This.

The right likes to pretend that this is a harmless vice. A man walked into a pizzeria and fired a gun because of a tweet.

Playtime is over. It's time to take this as serious as it has become.
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A man walked into a pizzeria and fired a shot because he's crazy, not because of a tweet.
 
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