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POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

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Slap Shot said:
Except 'the left' won't stop pushing for campaign finance reform even now when they're no longer on power. You do love your false eq's.
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Is Trump in power yet?
And yet he floats something already decided by the courts as Constitutional*?
Alternatively, you state the side that'll soon be out of power will keep on something already decided by the courts as Constitutional* as well.

Maybe I should've been more clear:
I fear the side in power because they are in power (and power does corrupt).

Being out of power doesn't prevent a side from trying to (a) reign in the in power crew, and (b) continue to attempt to squelch their hit lists.


*As in protected speech under the First Amendment Constitutional.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
The Time Warner CEO just stepped in front of a freight train.



I disagree. It's not Ds or Rs.
The side in power always looks to squelch the voices they don't like.
The other side reminds them they won't always be in power (what goes around comes around).

Bewkes just pointed out what the Ds issue is (campaign finance).
Trump's already tipped his hand (flag burning).
And stand by, surely more to follow.
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In the world I live in, both liberals and conservatives would like to see Citizens United overturned. Now, the CEO of a major corporation might have a different view . . . .

As for flag burning, I doubt Trump has ever heard of Texas v. Johnson, much less read it. He'd have to care first, which is out of the question. It's just good reality TV to him.
 
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SJHovey said:
A man walked into a pizzeria and fired a shot because he's crazy, not because of a tweet.
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How do you know he is crazy? That is a very dangerous thing to say a thousand miles away and (I am guessing) without any sort of medical expertise into the subject. Not all people who go vigilante justice are "crazy".

Follow up question...would he be "crazy" if he looked a bit different? (i.e. a "thug" if he was Black, "terrorist" if he was Muslim)
 
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SJHovey said:
A man walked into a pizzeria and fired a shot because he's crazy, not because of a tweet.
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So a guy went from NC to D.C. to the very pizzeria that tweets suggested was running a child sex ring, to break up said child sex ring, because of not the tweets that he learned about it from?
 
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burd said:
In the world I live in, both liberals and conservatives would like to see Citizens United overturned. Now, the CEO of a major corporation might have a different view . . . .

As for flag burning, I doubt Trump has ever heard of Texas v. Johnson, much less read it. He'd have to care first, which is out of the question. It's just good reality TV to him.
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So (thinking of deceased family member),
a member of the board of directors of a rural grain elevator cooperative can publicly oppose a policy or politician, but the board or cooperative as a whole can not?

Now change that to a labor union. Or Planned Parenthood. ACLU. Sierra Club.

I guess this time I'm standing with the ACLU when they said:

... history has taught us to be wary of proposals that would empower the government to monitor, regulate, and ultimately criminalize political speech. For instance, with the McCain-Feingold bill in 2002, Congress made it a criminal offense for groups like the ACLU or Sierra Club to even mention a candidate in certain communications paid for by general treasury funds in the crucial run-up period to elections and primaries.
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Now regarding Trump having read the flag burning decision, we've already covered that. ;) :D
 
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The Sicatoka said:
So (thinking of deceased family member),
a member of the board of directors of a rural grain elevator cooperative can publicly oppose a policy or politician, but the board or cooperative as a whole can not?

Now change that to a labor union. Or Planned Parenthood. ACLU. Sierra Club.

I guess this time I'm standing with the ACLU when they said:



Now regarding Trump having read the flag burning decision, we've already covered that. ;) :D
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My point was not to say Citizens United was wrongly decided but to say the opposition to it is not uniquely Dem. I don't know what the numbers are on that, but I hear as much opposition to it from Rs as Ds.

Maybe we should ask our fellow Nodak and UND grad, Greg Page, if he and Cargill share the same view on it. :)

And the ACLU quote sounds very similar to portions one of the most eloquent defenses of free speech ever written:

Persecution for the expression of opinions seems to me perfectly logical. If you have no doubt of your premises or your power, and
want a certain result with all your heart, you naturally express your wishes in law, and sweep away all opposition. To allow opposition
by speech seems to indicate that you think the speech impotent, as when a man says that he has squared the circle, or that you do
not care wholeheartedly for the result, or that you doubt either your power or your premises.

But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the
very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas -
 
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Handyman said:
How do you know he is crazy?
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He read a tweet about an alleged sex/trafficking ring allegedly operated out of a pizza parlor and apparently concluded it sounded believable. He loaded his AK-47 and himself into his car and drove 350+ miles from Salisbury, NC to Washington, D.C. He took his loaded AK-47 into a pizza shop and fired a shot into the floor. He then decided that concluded the "investigation" he felt the tweet merited, and he surrendered.

Call it a hunch.
 
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SJHovey said:
He read a tweet about an alleged sex/trafficking ring allegedly operated out of a pizza parlor and apparently concluded it sounded believable. He loaded his AK-47 and himself into his car and drove 350+ miles from Salisbury, NC to Washington, D.C. He took his loaded AK-47 into a pizza shop and fired a shot into the floor. He then decided that concluded the "investigation" he felt the tweet merited, and he surrendered.

Call it a hunch.
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But would you say he was crazy if he read a passage in the Koran and did the same thing?

Hell lets leave you out of it...would anyone say that?

Plenty of non-crazy people do crazy things.
 
Handyman said:
But would you say he was crazy if he read a passage in the Koran and did the same thing?

Hell lets leave you out of it...would anyone say that?

Plenty of non-crazy people do crazy things.
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If he read a quote out of the Koran and that somehow motivated him to do the same thing, I'd say he was crazy.

Obviously "crazy" is not a medical diagnosis, it is my description. But in both instances i would certainly expect a diagnosis of some form of mental disorder.
 
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You don't have to be certifiable to do stupid/immoral/criminal acts, "because I read something that told me it was so". If that were the case, Dylann Roof could've easily claimed insanity and would be tucked away in the mental ward right now, instead of rightfully standing trial for multiple counts of murder.
 
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SJHovey said:
A man walked into a pizzeria and fired a shot because he's crazy, not because of a tweet.
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Are you that farking deluded to think the two are directly connected?
 
Kepler said:
Dear Electoral College, this is why you exist. Your country will thank you. The world will thank you. Stop this stupidity while it hasn't cost lives yet.
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So, say the electoral college does go rogue and picks Hillary. You don't think Trump will just slap a lawsuit down and demand to be president?

Then, depending on rulings, the supreme Court, the one that's deadlocked at 4-a-piece would likely send the ruling to the house.

Which is republican controlled. So even then, your best case outcome if the EC goes rogue, is we Inaugurate President Mike Pence.
 
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SJHovey said:
He took his loaded AK-47 into a pizza shop...
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The very same pizza shop referenced in the tweet in question but they are unrelated right?

You and Sic would make great defense attorneys.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Are you that farking deluded to think the two are directly connected?
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I think Hovey is wrongly conflating disorders like MDD, with incurable disabilities like psychopathy. They are not the same thing. One might get the defendant declared unfit for trial, because they legitimately can't discern right from wrong. The other, while a legitimate mental condition, won't get someone out of murder charges just because they didn't feel like taking their vortioxitine that morning, and after reading alt-right Tweets and listening to Ozzy's "Mr. Tinkertrain", decided to go shoot up a pizza shop falsely rumored to be a hotspot for elite child prostitution.

We'll certainly find out in the following days and weeks, but if he's ultimately ruled unfit to stand trial, I'll be surprised. And if I'm wrong, I promise here that I'll admit it and apologize.

We're in an era of America where angry/depressed, but otherwise sane people will look for any excuse to get their 15 minutes. This did not start with Trump, but it certainly has intensified in the last 18 months, and is bound to intensify further now that he's been elected and begun his honeymoon. And while that goes for both the right and the left, we all know what sort of apes Trump has been emboldening all this time.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I get how something simple sounding adds up fast when it comes to cost. (I deal with building new or retrofitting existing industrial machinery.)

Given that, I'd say buy a half dozen stock Citation X+ jets (mach 0.95). The President and minimum staff fly in those as Air Force 1. Fly three at a time and drop an air cover squadron around each (for misdirection). Make the press and non-essential staff ride in a stock 747 along behind or ahead. I think I just came in under $4 billion. ... Yes, yes, there are hundreds of unworkable aspects to that.
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On behalf of all airline operations employees....NO. One AF1 is hard enough to deal with. 3? F off. Plus, we get told when/where it's going most of the time anyway. :p

The VC-25's are old. They're some of the last 747-200 frames to roll off the line. UND's Pipers have more modern glass cockpits. Airlines haven't flown them in over 20 years. It's time for an upgrade.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Caught red handed. http://joeforamerica.com/2016/12/voter-fraud-detroit-massive-scale-exposed-michigan-recount/
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Joe the Plumber? Flaggy, you are young and you think your brain will last forever; but if you keep ingesting this journalistic pablum, someone will be feeding you with a spoon before you hit 40k posts.

And it might be a cop, because they often go undercover as CNAs in places like the one you will be living in.
 
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aparch said:
So, say the electoral college does go rogue and picks Hillary. You don't think Trump will just slap a lawsuit down and demand to be president?

Then, depending on rulings, the supreme Court, the one that's deadlocked at 4-a-piece would likely send the ruling to the house.

Which is republican controlled. So even then, your best case outcome if the EC goes rogue, is we Inaugurate President Mike Pence.
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A few things.

1. I'm kidding (albeit unhappily) since it will never happen.

2. I would be much happier with a competent arch-conservative president than with Trump. Trump's policies aren't my cupa, but they could change tomorrow. Dude could wind up governing like Bernie on acid. The problem with Trump is not his politics but with the man himself -- his incuriosity, narcissism, and apparent complete lack of self-knowledge. I would rather Dubya come back for his third term than Trump. As the Chinese say, "better a hundred years of tyranny than one night of chaos."

3. I'm not advocating that the GOP give up an election for principle. Political parties do not do that. So go ahead and drop in Cruz or Little Marco or even Christie. They are unpleasant and their ideology is gross, but they are within the normal distribution of intelligence and restraint.

4. There is no standing for Trump to challenge the Electoral College. If there was a constitutional challenge simply on the basis of the electors being faithless, only Alito and perhaps Thomas would rule strictly as a partisan hatchet job. Ironically, RBG might also rule with the challenge because she doesn't believe the dead hand of the Founders ought to strangle us.
 
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