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POTUS Elect Trump I: Get in pu$$y - we're gonna make American great again

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Kepler said:
Jesus Christ. I went through 6 years of CCD and 53 years of my life thinking it's spelled "Venal." I deserve a beating at the hands of the Jesuits. :(
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Fortunately, misspelling is only a ... venial ... sin. ;) :D


PS - The Jesuits got nothin' on Mother Superior when it comes to beatings when you don't drive straight lines mowing the ten acres around the convent.
 
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Kepler said:
Jesus Christ. I went through 6 years of CCD and 53 years of my life thinking it's spelled "Venal." I deserve a beating at the hands of the Jesuits. :(
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Please, Sister, not the ruler! :D

Wait until the Muslims find out what comprises their 72 virgins... :p
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Fortunately, misspelling is only a ... venial ... sin. ;) :D
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I've conflated two different words, so it's worse than a spelling error, it's a vocabulary error.

I'm honestly shaken. I was 100% certain it was "venal." I was...

Venial means minor in the circumstances

Venal means corruptible, able to be bribed
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The Sicatoka said:
The hypothetical game is so much fun. Imagine not playing it. ;)

How about news tells the fact, just the facts. No hype; no bluster; no false reporting; no matter the source.
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Just keep moving the goal posts, that way you'll never have to admit you're wrong. Until you're stuck, then just ignore it and move on.
 
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jerphisch said:
Just keep moving the goal posts, that way you'll never have to admit you're wrong. Until you're stuck, then just ignore it and move on.
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Or we could take the example from your folk and just point the finger somewhere else.
 
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Handyman said:
I get it, you want to play the game that all lies are equal and that degree doesnt matter. that is fine in a vacuum but in the light of day where actions have consequences that is complete and total malarkey.
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I agree all lies are not equal. I do struggle with the idea of applying the consequences of a particular lie to establish the degree or evilness of that lie. If a 16 year old makes up a lie about a 16 year old female classmate sleeping with a boy, and the victim runs home crying in embarrassment as a result, is that lie any different than if the victim went home and committed suicide? The outcomes were certainly different, but the lies, not so much.

Personally, I don't find the fact that "fake news" of varying degrees is finding its way into the public domain to a greater level, or that more people are believing that news and/or republishing it. That's been around since people started communicating with one another.

I'm more interested in observing the consequences. Anyone who frequents internet message boards like this one has certainly observed the phenomena in the past couple of decades of an increased willingness of people to write things that are mean, malicious and just plain false. Probably due in large part to the feeling of anonymity created by communicating from a computer or electronic device alone, in the safety of our own private spaces. When will defamation law catch up, if at all? I personally think it will, but that has my curiosity.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I wish.
I end up going full spectrum and trying to glean the truth somewhere in the middle.
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I find international outlets (BBC, France24, DW, Economist) to be good for international news.

For US news, I think the best bet may actually to be to watch or read what you want but to follow forums like this with at least some participation by political opponents to see how different viewpoints shake out. In principle at least, as long as you expose yourself to intelligent people who disagree on issues, you should be able to have your assumptions tested. What you do with that is of course up to you.

I've been reading a lot of Montaigne since the election, and his advice to be involved but not too involved sounds very wise. Activism is a young person's game.
 
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SJHovey said:
I do struggle with the idea of applying the consequences of a particular lie to establish the degree or evilness of that lie.
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This is the reason I added a consequence to the first part of Handy's scenario. You get a cookie! :)

The lying to the friend had one, the lying to the girlfriend had none, so it tends to support Handy's conclusion with a bit of (unintended) trickery. Just pointing out that actual consequences in the real world are indeterminate at the time the lie is told. Handy, to his credit did settle on malice being worse than sloth and selfishness, which seems ok under the circumstances. Morality is a bit too deep of subject to debate here, so I'll just leave it at that.

It does seem we are then assigning malice as the motivation behind the pizzagate example. Sadly, the motivation is more likely "click" generation. :(
 
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Kepler said:
I find international outlets (BBC, France24, DW, Economist) to be good for international news.

For US news, I think the best bet may actually to be to watch or read what you want but to follow forums like this with at least some participation by political opponents to see how different viewpoints shake out. In principle at least, as long as you expose yourself to intelligent people who disagree on issues, you should be able to have your assumptions tested. What you do with that is of course up to you.

I've been reading a lot of Montaigne since the election, and his advice to be involved but not too involved sounds very wise. Activism is a young person's game.
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I can agree with (and do*) all of that, save for the reading Montaigne, but Montaigne's advice is solid.


*I find myself on Toronto (640AM) and Winnipeg (CJOB, The Sun) media outlets in addition to the Euros. I first found "The Economist" in a dentist's office during college; only good dentist visit ever.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
It does seem we are then assigning malice as the motivation behind the pizzagate example. Sadly, the motivation is more likely "click" generation. :(
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The malice may not have been aimed at the pizza place, but please, no malice in a story accusing someone of running a child sex ring? I'm sure you'd be just as forgiving if such a story were directed at you.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Veritas est adæquatio intellectus et rei.


(Kepler, courtesy of his time at the hand of the Jesuits, will explain meaning and author.)
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Well, courtesy of my readings in philosophy unguided by any Jesuits except Frederick Copleston.

The translation is, roughly, "Truth is the correspondence between the idea and the thing-in-itself."

Saint Thomas packs a lot into those 6 words -- in fact the entire "correspondence theory" of ontology is carried in the expression. One thing that is important to remember is that in Thomism all existence is defined as apprehension of the existant in the mind of God. But we shouldn't anthropomorphize God, and God's mind (well, God is undifferentiated, so God Himself) does not "hold ideas" in the same sense that human minds "hold ideas." God is breathing forth all reality via His thoughts and since God is both perfect and all-encompassing, all things which are are also by definition "true." God's thoughts aren't true, except in the tautological sense that they are reality itself and reality is true. Better to say God's thoughts are "truth." The truth in a human thought is the proportion in which it corresponds to the thing-in-itself, i.e., thing in the mind of God.

Sound familiar? Well it should. That's unvarnished Platonic ideation via Plotinus and one reason medieval philosophy is both so byzantine and so much fun. Another guy (named, oh I don't know, "Aristotle") might have defined truth as how well you can predict what a thing will do based on what you think it is made of, what its essential form is, what caused it and what it's for. And the people who came after him in this Greek empiricist tradition might be called scientists. Whereas Plato --> Plotinus --> Aquinas continued a Near Eastern tradition of viewing reality as a double image of God's mind, and hence of viewing the thoughts in your head as a double image of the sensory inputs which give you the "sense" of an object. And they continue on through Kant --> Hegel and continue to give reality all sorts of interesting additional baggage, leaving room for teleology in general and Neo-Thomist Catholic ontology in particular.

But my knowledge peters out (get it?) in the late 19th century, so I can't speak to what happens afterwards, except to say the 20th century was not a good one for philosophy and A New Approach Is Needed.
 
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So the shortsighted moron decided that he's going to cancel the contract with Boeing for the new Air Force Ones probably thinking, "I won't need them, so why buy them?"

I don't think he understands why these were purchased so far in advance of the old ones being retired. Nor do I think he has any understanding of why you don't cut corners on the world's most well-known vehicle.
 
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