POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

[ScoobyDoo]

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An illegal wiretap is an illegal wiretap.

Let's assume there was one (illegal): If it found something illegal that would be brought out by now. If there was a smoking gun to nail Trump someone would present it even if it meant throwing someone else under the bus.

I'm thinking either (a) there was no wiretap, or (b) there was an illegal one and it found nothing (which is the tapper's nighmare scenario).

Or there was a legal one obtained from the FISA Court.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Or there was a legal one obtained from the FISA Court.

Let's assume a (FISA) legal one now; either (a) it found something and someone is sitting on it and that is a problem as illegalities should be brought forth, or (b) it found nothing and someone is left to be wrong in their suspicions and efforts.

 

[unofan]

Or there was a legal one obtained from the FISA Court.

Nope. He's already convinced himself Obama did it and Trump isn't just making shiat up, because he's an independent (of the Fark variety) and his gut tells him the truthiness is right.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Nope. He's already convinced himself Obama did it and Trump isn't just making shiat up, because he's an independent (of the Fark variety) and his gut tells him the truthiness is right.

You must've missed it when I said ... "I'm thinking either (a) there was no wiretap, or ... "

But, keep projecting, it adds humor to my day.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Based on his track record of being a truthful man?

That is the most absurd start to a post I have ever seen on this board.

No not based on Trump's record you moron. Based on the fact that our government is sneaky and underhanded and presidents of all parties have forever bent the rules to accomplish whatever goals they felt were important. Sometimes those goals may have been noble and sometimes they were awful, but the bending still went on. If you think that the Obama administration was not gathering intelligence on Trump I don't know what kind of a grasp on U.S. history you have.

 

[The Sicatoka]

No not based on Trump's record you moron. Based on the fact that our government is sneaky and underhanded and presidents of all parties have forever bent the rules to accomplish whatever goals they felt were important. Sometimes those goals may have been noble and sometimes they were awful, but the bending still went on. If you think that the Obama administration was not gathering intelligence on Trump I don't know what kind of a grasp on U.S. history you have.

In a word: Yup.
And some actually get caught (see: Tricky Dick).

 

[rufus]

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The sad irony in all these cases is how hard it is for these yeehawdists to find an actual Muslim.

C'mon, they all look the same. Brown, wearing bedsheets.

 

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

An illegal wiretap is an illegal wiretap.

Let's assume there was one (illegal): If it found something illegal that would be brought out by now. If there was a smoking gun to nail Trump someone would present it even if it meant throwing someone else under the bus.

I'm thinking either (a) there was no wiretap, or (b) there was an illegal one and it found nothing (which is the tapper's nighmare scenario).

Legal one, approved by the FISA court, looking into allegations of money transfers between Russian banks and members of Trump's organization, from what I've read.

Not Obama tapping his phone cuz .......................President.

 

[mookie1995]

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Let's assume a (FISA) legal one now; either (a) it found something and someone is sitting on it and that is a problem as illegalities should be brought forth, or (b) it found nothing and someone is left to be wrong in their suspicions and efforts.

let's also assume there were aliens from jupiter installing the legal taps

 

[The Sicatoka]

let's also assume there were aliens from jupiter installing the legal taps

Were not.
They were Martians, and they all had ... (wait for it) ... green cards.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Legal one, approved by the FISA court, looking into allegations of money transfers between Russian banks and members of Trump's organization, from what I've read.

Not Obama tapping his phone cuz .......................President.

OK, like I said, in a legal tap scenario they got (a) something and thus comes the question where is it because if illegalities have happened they need to be brought out, or (b) they got nothing (but egg on faces).

 

[Slap Shot]

Blind squirrel alert: What if, what, if, Trump's wiretapping allegation is ... right.

There was a request to the FISA court. What if someone got overzealous after the FISA court denial and did it anyway. I give this a 1 in 250 chance of having happened, but, even blind squirrels ...

Obama could not have ordered them that is the part of his allegations that will always be false no matter what facts are fleshed out.

Whether or not they occurred are irrelevant to his overall accusation. As is whether or not anything was found. If they found nothing that'd never announced and doesn't prove nothing happened elsewhere.

And yet the drum of contortionists continues.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Comey has now publicly asked DOJ to refute the claims by Trump to protect the integrity of the FBI. And the FBI and DOJ are both now on record as "no comment" so far.

Right now Comey is really hung out to dry: he's calling Trump a liar and so far the FBI and DOJ are silent.

Along with concerns about potential attacks on the bureau’s credibility, senior F.B.I. officials are said to be worried that the notion of a court-approved wiretap will raise the public’s expectations that the federal authorities have significant evidence implicating the Trump campaign in colluding with Russia’s efforts to disrupt the presidential election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/...ations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?_r=0

 

[rufus]

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OK, like I said, in a legal tap scenario they got (a) something and thus comes the question where is it because if illegalities have happened they need to be brought out, or (b) they got nothing (but egg on faces).

From what I read, that tap didn't get anything. Doesn't mean investigation isn't still ongoing. and you don't talk about things found in ongoing investigations until you're ready to either charge, or quit.

Nothing you won't make excuses for, is there?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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No not based on Trump's record you moron. Based on the fact that our government is sneaky and underhanded and presidents of all parties have forever bent the rules to accomplish whatever goals they felt were important. Sometimes those goals may have been noble and sometimes they were awful, but the bending still went on. If you think that the Obama administration was not gathering intelligence on Trump I don't know what kind of a grasp on U.S. history you have.

Wow. You seem nice.

 

[Kepler]

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senior F.B.I. officials are said to be worried that the notion of a court-approved wiretap will raise the public’s expectations that the federal authorities have significant evidence implicating the Trump campaign in colluding with Russia’s efforts to disrupt the presidential election.

That's the amazing part of this. For the president to get a wiretap he needs to demonstrate evidence to the FISA court, so if Trump is to be believed he is saying "I'm guilty enough for a court to agree to wiretap me!"

If the GOP came down on Trump like a ton of bricks to protect the rule of law, they'd be heroes and they'd even get what they want: a competent hatchet man (Pence) in the Oval. But they are so terrified of the ignorant, vicious animals they've unleashed that they won't do it.

If the Libertarians had a competent leadership they could supplant the GOP as a major party in six months.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Now, rufus, you just hypothesized an ongoing investigation. Isn't that "excuse making" as well?

But, I won't call it that. I will acknowledge it as a real possibility. But, in that case, the FBI has a leak (because the knowledge of the tap in an ongoing investigation shouldn't have gotten out).

 

[The Rube]

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No president has ever been removed from office. Two have been impeached.

Correct. And impeachment does NOT mean removal from office. Actually had to explain that to someone who believed that Clinton was never impeached. Yeah.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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The libertarians are just republicans rebranded. It's like when Comcast started calling themselves Xfinity.

The libertarian friends I know aren't up in arms about anything except that Sessions may be going after their precious weed. They're just stoner washouts from the Reublican party who don't care as long as they get theirs. It's a useless movement.

 

[The Sicatoka]

...so if Trump is to be believed he is saying "I'm guilty enough for a court to agree to wiretap me!"

Either Trump knows they have nothing (meaning he's clean and the tap proves the witchhunt meme he's pushing) or this is the most power laden game of chicken in American history.