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POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

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Kepler said:
The history of liberalism is to be regarded with horror until our programs work and then for centrists to take belated credit. You'll love Single Payer someday after trying to fight us tooth and nail on it.

We win by dragging you cowards to the left far enough that people vote for us. When you resist successfully you wind up running a flaccid centrist and people HATE them and they lose. Clinton was your one great success since the 20s -- somebody right of center of the Democratic movement who won because of his charisma. The other successful Democratic presidents: FDR, Kennedy, Obama, were ours and ran on giving people aspirations rather than the same old stale porridge.

We win the elections and you take the credit. Twas ever thus.
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So you're a martyr then? I KNEW you and Bob Gray were related somehow. :D
 
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Yeah it's not like there's plenty of data showing that the electorate is to the left of the dem party on most issues and that the party is blatantly trying to stifle challengers in favor of scumbags in safe blue districts like Dan Lipinski.
 
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Rover said:
So you think trashing Barack Obama's Presidency is the way to win the Democratic nomination. Okay....



Ain't nobody coming onto you Kep. Although if you dressed like Karl Marx you might have half a shot with rufus...;)
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C'mon, it's Che all the way. Digs me them swarthy types.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Yeah it's not like there's plenty of data showing that the electorate is to the left of the dem party on most issues .
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If that's true then it should be no problem to elect a few of them, no?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
How is that trashing it? Being small c conservative is not a negative. In anything.
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He's an idiot. Stop engaging. He stopped thinking when he embarrassed himself in 2016 and since then literally every keystroke has been him covering for that.

Except we'll need his centrists for a while so you're doing a great job, Rover. Oh, sure, you're absolutely right. Now please go out and campaign for Warren but don't read up on her because you don't understand her entire platform or what motivates it, and we wouldn't want you to be confused.
 
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Kepler said:
He's an idiot. Stop engaging. He stopped thinking when he embarrassed himself in 2016 and since then literally every keystroke has been him covering for that.

Except we'll need his centrists for a while so you're doing a great job, Rover. Oh, sure, you're absolutely right. Now please go out and campaign for Warren but don't read up on her because you don't understand her entire platform or what motivates it, and we wouldn't want you to be confused.
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Like I said Kep, show me a few victories and maybe then I can get on board. Since the opposition party waiting in the wings is electing Nazi's I'm not sure I want to go with your approach which apparently last found success in 1944 by your own standards. :eek:
 
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rufus said:
Does it have to effect you personally for it to be a problem?

Like all those Republicans who don't give a crap about healthcare or gay rights until their kid comes out, or is born with Down's syndrome.
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No but it usually has to affect people personally for them to care. Health Care is the ultimate example...even the Trumpers were against repealing ObamaCare when they realized that meant it was THEIR health care being taken away.

People want the defense budget slashed, unless it means closing a base in their town THAT needs to stay.

People are selfish and stupid and most of them dont care unless it is hurting them personally. Listen to people talk they will pull a Trump Single Sentence Contradiction more often than he does. They will watch the debt rise and spending go out of control as long as they get their extra $12 on their paycheck thanks to a tax cut. they will rail against things like "The Green New Deal" but then when Oklahoma is under water wonder why nothing is being done to help the climate. And these arent Trumpers, these are educated people.

What the Liberals and the Bernouts always forget is, that in the end, greed always wins. It is why Communism will always fail because people ultimately want everything they can have and they want to sacrifice the least amount to get it. Sure you can stop that in the short term but overall greed is batting 1000. You want to win, you make sure everyone gets what they want. The Dems used to be good at that...now they cant message their way out of a paper bag. They have an unpopular President who is ADMITTING to Impeachable offenses almost daily and is embarrassing the country on an hourly basis and the Liberals cant help but to fight each other over who is the best librul of the bunch! Meanwhile the people who they are fighting over are watching in horror. Tell the people what you have that they want. Tell them how you will fix what helps them. NOT EVERYONE JUST THEM! Take what the Health Care battle taught you and use it.

The vast majority of people dont give a crap about the rich except they wish THEY were rich. Focus one what people do care about. We can fix the Plute problem when we are in position to. Figure out how to make the people using entitlements realize you want to continue giving them entitlements and how the GOP wants to get rid of them all.
 
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rufus said:
C'mon, it's Che all the way. Digs me them swarthy types.
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I had you down as a Kropotkin man.

<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Peter_Krapotkin_3.PNG/220px-Peter_Krapotkin_3.PNG" >
 
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Rover said:
Like I said Kep, show me a few victories and maybe then I can get on board. Since the opposition party waiting in the wings is electing Nazi's I'm not sure I want to go with your approach which apparently last found success in 1944 by your own standards. :eek:
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You're doing a great job, Rover. I like Warren too.
 
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Rover said:
None of which would occur in such high volumes if anybody really felt the effects of the national debt.
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I know this is probably beyond your comprehension, but it isn't the actual debt...

Rover said:
Like I said Kep, show me a few victories and maybe then I can get on board. Since the opposition party waiting in the wings is electing Nazi's I'm not sure I want to go with your approach which apparently last found success in 1944 by your own standards. :eek:
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You know who's had some victories throughout history? Nazis. Maybe you should just join them seeing as they meet your moronic criteria.
 
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Handyman said:
People are selfish and stupid and most of them dont care unless it is hurting them personally
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People are selfish or stupid in a normal distribution. Most of them clump in the middle. Some are terrible. Some are wonderful.

The key has been to design a system that accentuates the effect of the best people while limiting the damage of the worst. Insofar as an institution favors and increases generosity and intelligence it's good; insofar as the opposite it should be reformed.

Capitalism encourages selfishness and intelligence, Conservatism encourages selfishness and stupidity, Religion encourages generosity and stupidity, and Liberalism encourages generosity and intelligence. Those are the guideposts of where we should reform our institutions.
 
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Remember when we werent going to act this way anymore...good times. this thread is the perfect example of the stupidity of the Democratic Party. Can't even keep their eyes on the prize for a couple of days before they start demonizing each other.

And Kepler dont try and pretend that isnt what is happening here. (and other places) The Litmus Test everyone aabhors is on full display which is why in the hour I was gone like 5 pages popped up all of Democrats ****ing on each other. This is why we are losers because we care more about proving ourselves right to each other than to the nation. The Democrats are s pecial kind of stupid...the kind that wants to discuss everything to death. They are victims of Paralysis By Analysis. We are Chidi from The Good Place...pouring over whether to take a left turn or right when in reality both will get us where we need to be.
 
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Handyman said:
Remember when we werent going to act this way anymore...good times. this thread is the perfect example of the stupidity of the Democratic Party. Can't even keep their eyes on the prize for a couple of days before they start demonizing each other.

And Kepler dont try and pretend that isnt what is happening here. (and other places) The Litmus Test everyone aabhors is on full display which is why in the hour I was gone like 5 pages popped up all of Democrats ****ing on each other. This is why we are losers because we care more about proving ourselves right to each other than to the nation. The Democrats are s pecial kind of stupid...the kind that wants to discuss everything to death. They are victims of Paralysis By Analysis. We are Chidi from The Good Place...pouring over whether to take a left turn or right when in reality both will get us where we need to be.
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We can fight in private if we kiss in public. Don't be afraid of conflict.

If Rover and I ever appeared at an event in front of the Great Unwashed it would be arm in arm as stalwart allies. It doesn't matter at all that Rover knows I think he's a fink or I know that Rover couldn't pass a remedial American History examination. What matters is how much of the Go board territory D controls. Everything else is personality and gossip.

This is an alliance, it's not a friggin' date.
 
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Kepler said:
People are selfish or stupid in a normal distribution. Most of them clump in the middle. Some are terrible. Some are wonderful.

The key has been to design a system that accentuates the effect of the best people while limiting the damage of the worst. Insofar as an institution favors and increases generosity and intelligence it's good; insofar as the opposite it should be reformed.

Capitalism encourages selfishness and intelligence, Conservatism encourages selfishness and stupidity, Religion encourages generosity and stupidity, and Liberalism encourages generosity and intelligence. Those are the guideposts of where we should reform our institutions.
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Liberalism may encourage generosity and intelligence but lets not pretend that people havent used evil means by which to get those and that power hungry people, in the name of liberalism, havent seized power and used it for bad. Liberalism is as corruptible as anything because greed still wins. Giving everyone what they need is much easier to swallow when A) you have more than you need and B) you are the one giving it to them.
 
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Handyman said:
Liberalism may encourage generosity and intelligence but lets not pretend that people havent used evil means by which to get those and thatpower hungry people, in the name of liberalism, havent siezed power and used it for bad. Liberalism is as corruptible as anything because greed still wins. Giving everyone what they need is much easier to swallow when A) you have more than you need and B) you are the one giving it to them.
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Regulation is what makes Capitalism the greatest system on the Earth. You have good regulation with enforcement it works. You have poor regulations and a lack of enforcement it doesn't work. Right now we have a combination of no regulation and no enforcement. Thus, we have a terrible system.
 
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