FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
It reads like something he would write to trigger the libs.
It reads like something he would write to trigger the libs.
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POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
You're only thinking of the good of the country.
You're only thinking of the good of the country.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
Note the word "publicly" in that sentence.
No reason to have to include that word in the sentence if there were nothing of evidence there. And the FBI would not undertake such an investigation on a simple whim.
Note the word "publicly" in that sentence.
No reason to have to include that word in the sentence if there were nothing of evidence there. And the FBI would not undertake such an investigation on a simple whim.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
Of course, you won't believe whatever's disclosed anyway. Just keep making excuses for it.
Of course, you won't believe whatever's disclosed anyway. Just keep making excuses for it.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
*Rasmussen* gives Trump his lowest approval rating in a year. Waiting lines at Atlanta's airport is an hour and a half.
*Rasmussen* gives Trump his lowest approval rating in a year. Waiting lines at Atlanta's airport is an hour and a half.
leswp1
Well-known member
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
This line of reasoning fascinates me for so many reasons.
1. There has been a steady stream of people found/plead guilty. They are throwing the next guy under the bus leading to more success in court.
2.This is about -->Russian interference in our election process<--. The fact tRump needs attention and is a blow hard sometimes makes it difficult to remember this. And, in case you missed it there was further evidence this attempt at influence happened in 2018 and some of it was stopped. There is also evidence it has happened in other countries. One would think that protection of our electoral process would be something to protect.
3. I would have bet my life I would never see any GOP/Conservative say they wanted anything to do with Russia ignored, done in a half a55ed way, or advocate for dismissing the findings of the intelligence committee/community. This is the disconnect that baffles me the most. I don't get it. How the hell did the GOP turn from Commie/Russian haters to apologists?
I know people who were involved in monitoring Russians in the 70s. They are beside themselves with this and for the first time in my life they are anti-GOP because of it.
Given these last 2 points I can conclude that hell has frozen over or possible the Earth has stopped spinning on its access.
Totally not flaming- If there was no chance tRump would be involved, would you want them to stop investigating or show their hand before they have neutralized those who have been players? What would the purpose be of speeding up something that is getting results if it impaired the ability to do a good job?
Consider what would have happened if we had a President who was stable, an effective leader and able to listen to the intelligence community. Most of the disruption comes from his reaction and tantrums. His reaction, inability to be consistent, constant rewriting of his 'story' is what is causing all the problem. I have no idea what he is 'guilty' of. His truth is inconstant. I am fully convinced he believes what ever he is saying at the moment (just like a kid does when they confabulate when caught). He craves attention and loves to get his own way. He has no idea of how to handle consequence so what is real or fake is anyone's guess.
This line of reasoning fascinates me for so many reasons.
1. There has been a steady stream of people found/plead guilty. They are throwing the next guy under the bus leading to more success in court.
2.This is about -->Russian interference in our election process<--. The fact tRump needs attention and is a blow hard sometimes makes it difficult to remember this. And, in case you missed it there was further evidence this attempt at influence happened in 2018 and some of it was stopped. There is also evidence it has happened in other countries. One would think that protection of our electoral process would be something to protect.
3. I would have bet my life I would never see any GOP/Conservative say they wanted anything to do with Russia ignored, done in a half a55ed way, or advocate for dismissing the findings of the intelligence committee/community. This is the disconnect that baffles me the most. I don't get it. How the hell did the GOP turn from Commie/Russian haters to apologists?
I know people who were involved in monitoring Russians in the 70s. They are beside themselves with this and for the first time in my life they are anti-GOP because of it.
Given these last 2 points I can conclude that hell has frozen over or possible the Earth has stopped spinning on its access.
Totally not flaming- If there was no chance tRump would be involved, would you want them to stop investigating or show their hand before they have neutralized those who have been players? What would the purpose be of speeding up something that is getting results if it impaired the ability to do a good job?
Consider what would have happened if we had a President who was stable, an effective leader and able to listen to the intelligence community. Most of the disruption comes from his reaction and tantrums. His reaction, inability to be consistent, constant rewriting of his 'story' is what is causing all the problem. I have no idea what he is 'guilty' of. His truth is inconstant. I am fully convinced he believes what ever he is saying at the moment (just like a kid does when they confabulate when caught). He craves attention and loves to get his own way. He has no idea of how to handle consequence so what is real or fake is anyone's guess.
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Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
No dice, Vlady. The GOP becoming a bought and paid for annex of the Kremlin is a much more complex investigation than Watergate, which was the cover-up of a burglary and other dirty tricks by the Nixon campaign. Once it was revealed that Nixon was on tape directing payoffs and other illegal activity, he was SOL but took his sweet time resigning. This inquiry involves a foreign power and its intelligence service, one of the two major political parties in the US, and multiple right wing aligned organizations like the NRA which are almost certainly compromised as well. Lets let Mueller do his job.
I'll also point out Ken Starr was on the job for 4 years.
No dice, Vlady. The GOP becoming a bought and paid for annex of the Kremlin is a much more complex investigation than Watergate, which was the cover-up of a burglary and other dirty tricks by the Nixon campaign. Once it was revealed that Nixon was on tape directing payoffs and other illegal activity, he was SOL but took his sweet time resigning. This inquiry involves a foreign power and its intelligence service, one of the two major political parties in the US, and multiple right wing aligned organizations like the NRA which are almost certainly compromised as well. Lets let Mueller do his job.
I'll also point out Ken Starr was on the job for 4 years.
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
It is kind of interesting that someone like Sic who isn't shy about waving his govt service around for all to see is okay with treason...
It is kind of interesting that someone like Sic who isn't shy about waving his govt service around for all to see is okay with treason...
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
They can't be compared. Nixon's investigation was very straightforward. Trump has lots of indirect Russian connections. Plus in '72, the GOP accepted evidence of guilt. In 2019, the case must be tighter as the GOP has a harder time accepting the truth.
They can't be compared. Nixon's investigation was very straightforward. Trump has lots of indirect Russian connections. Plus in '72, the GOP accepted evidence of guilt. In 2019, the case must be tighter as the GOP has a harder time accepting the truth.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
If Trump hadn't devolved into the drooling mess he is for the last four years now, I might be willing to buy into him just having the wrong supporting cast.
But no, this is like watching LivePD when they pull over a constitutionalist for no license plate and find needles, scales, baggies, and 10 pounds of meth on the center console.
Trump is whining that the cops can't pull him over or arrest him because they dont have the power, and that the car isn't his, he's being set up, he's never seen that specific bag of meth in his life before.
And here I am watching, rooting for the drug dog to bite him in the a**.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
Over 100 contacts with Russians associated with the Kremlin or Russian intelligence during the campaign. And every one of those contacts lied about and concealed. 28 top level campaign associates who knew of those contacts. And every one of them lied and concealed.
A president whose own top advisors and administration officials have no knowledge of what was discussed during private meetings with Putin. A president who went out of his way to see that they didn't get this knowledge.
A president who said during the debates that he had no business ties to Russia, had no knowledge of the inner doings of Russia, had no money in or anything else going on with Russia, at the same time his personal lawyer was negotiating with them to build a hotel in Moscow. A hotel in which Putin was promised a $50 million penthouse suite. A president who did, or didn't, know Putin depending on what day it was
I'll say it again. The top levels of our government, our diplomatic corps and our military leaders, have no idea what this president discussed with an enemy of our country. None.
But nope, nothing out of the ordinary here. Nothing to see. Don't worry yourselves about it. Big nothingburger.
Over 100 contacts with Russians associated with the Kremlin or Russian intelligence during the campaign. And every one of those contacts lied about and concealed. 28 top level campaign associates who knew of those contacts. And every one of them lied and concealed.
A president whose own top advisors and administration officials have no knowledge of what was discussed during private meetings with Putin. A president who went out of his way to see that they didn't get this knowledge.
A president who said during the debates that he had no business ties to Russia, had no knowledge of the inner doings of Russia, had no money in or anything else going on with Russia, at the same time his personal lawyer was negotiating with them to build a hotel in Moscow. A hotel in which Putin was promised a $50 million penthouse suite. A president who did, or didn't, know Putin depending on what day it was
I'll say it again. The top levels of our government, our diplomatic corps and our military leaders, have no idea what this president discussed with an enemy of our country. None.
But nope, nothing out of the ordinary here. Nothing to see. Don't worry yourselves about it. Big nothingburger.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
However, the Democrats did collude with Russia. So, lock the ***** up.
However, the Democrats did collude with Russia. So, lock the ***** up.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
Really? I won't? Mind reader?
Like I said, it won't take much.
Really? I won't? Mind reader?
Like I said, it won't take much.
leswp1
Well-known member
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
THis is great to address all the spin on both sides but until he started being so successful Meuller was widely supported and touted as an excellent choice to be fair and thorough. Even more reason to let him do his job instead of reading all the back seat drivers trying to investigate to support their beliefs
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
rufus
rock and roller
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
Nice arbitrary choice of date to start with. FBI didn't begin investigating until after he was sworn in as president. After he revealed classified intelligence to Russian officials in the oval office.
You're such a disingenuous putz.
Nice arbitrary choice of date to start with. FBI didn't begin investigating until after he was sworn in as president. After he revealed classified intelligence to Russian officials in the oval office.
You're such a disingenuous putz.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
I'm asking for the evidence. When it comes, treason is treason.
I'm asking for the evidence. When it comes, treason is treason.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
Is it too late to posit that either Kushner (J or I) would be a solid guess also?
Is it too late to posit that either Kushner (J or I) would be a solid guess also?
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.
There's plenty of evidence already for a conspiracy charge. Not sure what you're waiting for.
There's plenty of evidence already for a conspiracy charge. Not sure what you're waiting for.
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