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POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

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The economy passed a majority of the Wall Crowd by years ago. They decided they would rather whine about it than retrain and move to where the jobs are. That part is on them.

Yeah that is why the coal workers hated Clinton. She wanted to pay for them to get trained in a better job (that wont give them cancer) but they wanted the mines back! Apparently you can catch stupidity like cancer down in the mines ;)
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Isn't he?

Why does it matter? He went through the process. As long as immigrants go through the process, cool.

Your assumption reveals a little something about your thinking and prejudices.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Brent the supposed problems of illegal immigration isn completely overblown and it can be argued quite easily there is a net positive gain from it in this country. Posting from my phone but I'll provide data from several legit sources later that will back that up.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Brent the supposed problems of illegal immigration isn completely overblown and it can be argued quite easily there is a net positive gain from it in this country. Posting from my phone but I'll provide data from several legit sources later that will back that up.

And again, I'm fine with immigrants. I don't like that we reward the ones who slip through, breaking the law (yeah yeah jaywalking, blah blah blah, still illegal), and then leave them alone. For the ones that are here, see FS23's proposal: illegals check in, get passed, become citizens. Sure, there will be issues. This is a very big deal, but SOMETHING has to change.

The current oh-so-scary caravan right now is showing that. The current regime is shutting them out. I say, if they pass all the requirements for asylum and/or citizenship, come on in. But go through the process.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

This is copied from another forum so slightly out of context but....

[quote="Jack Hoff" post_id=293439 time=1530069706 user_id=2244]
https://wiseyoungman2.weebly.com/costofillegals.html

The Left argues that illegals cause no harm to the everyday hard working American. That is a total and complete lie.
[/quote]

Start here for proper retorts:

https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst...y/benefits-of-immigration-outweigh-costs.html
http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.ed...s-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/magazine/do-illegal-immigrants-actually-hurt-the-us-economy.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/
https://www.americanprogress.org/is...02/08/52377/immigrants-are-makers-not-takers/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?utm_term=.d859c97cdb02
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/myth-reason-mexican-border-180960357/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexican-cartels-use-migrants-as-dea-decoys/2/
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/seven-myths-that-cloud-immigration-debate/
https://www.adl.org/resources/fact-sheets/myths-and-facts-about-immigrants-and-immigration

Finally from the very a link mnsports tried to slip by to validate these same lies:

The National Academies found that first-generation immigrants (who were born outside of the United States) cost governments more money than the native-born population. The costs are largely taken on by state and local governments that educate the immigrants’ children.

But members of the second generation "are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population," the report said, with tax contributions greater than their parents and the native-born population.

The government runs on a deficit, so on average, taxpayers, including the native-born, benefit more than they pay in taxes. While members of the first, second, and third generations on average all cost more than they pay, we are all pushing a substantial amount of debt onto future generations — and immigrants and their descendants will also be "on the hook" for that debt.

Some costs won’t go away even if immigrants do. If all of the first-generation immigrants suddenly left the country, the government wouldn’t immediately have its expense burden reduced by $279 billion. Calculations in the study included defense costs and interest on the existing public debt, which would not go down without the 55.5 million immigrants. If those costs were excluded, the total fiscal burden for the first generation and dependents would go down to $43 billion, and the per capita burden would be more for the native-born population than for the first-generation immigrants.

The overall effect of immigration on economic growth was positive. Whatever costs immigrants might present now will be "paid back" by overall economic growth that will lead to more tax revenue on average for the government and less demand for need-based benefit programs. "The $279 billion calculation does not include any estimate of this effect and so is an upper bound on total fiscal impact," Donehower said.

The $279 billion impact stems from the combination of worst-case assumptions, he said. Under other assumptions, the fiscal burden was $43 billion.

The study also said the historical record suggests that the total net fiscal impact of immigrants across all levels of government has become more positive over time.

"The evidence does not suggest that current immigrant flows cost native-born taxpayers money over the long-run nor does it provide support for the notion that lowering immigration quotas or stepping up enforcement of existing immigration laws would generate savings to existing taxpayers," said a post on Econofact co-authored by Donehower and Francine Blau, an economics professor at Cornell University who chaired the panel that released the report.

The claim from the White House shows "a pretty misleading reading of the study," said Margaret Peters, an assistant professor of political science at the University of California-Los Angeles.

The facts are that 2nd, 3rd and 4th+ generation immigrants dwarf in numbers 1st gen thereby rendering the whining about "upfront" costs moot. We're long into a cycle of a very net positive return from immigration - not to mention the majority of myths about them are veritably false. It's not perfect, and it doesn't mean it can't be run differently or more efficiently, but in essence and in total it's not a problem. Stop spreading the lies.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Then check in, and become legal. *shrug*

Fine with me.

From this point forward, check in beforehand. Go through the process.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

It can be. So go back to your "destroy the statue" warrgarble.

It really isn't easy. Took my wife's family over a decade from start to finish to get some of their relatives here from the Philippines. We need workers now, and if anything the process has gotten harder, especially for brown people. Hell, coming to the border and seeking asylum is the legal way to do it and we aren't even honoring the law.
 
Yeah that is why the coal workers hated Clinton. She wanted to pay for them to get trained in a better job (that wont give them cancer) but they wanted the mines back! Apparently you can catch stupidity like cancer down in the mines ;)

So stop running lib women in WVa. Easy. :rolleyes:
 
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It really isn't easy. Took my wife's family over a decade from start to finish to get some of their relatives here from the Philippines. We need workers now, and if anything the process has gotten harder, especially for brown people. Hell, coming to the border and seeking asylum is the legal way to do it and we aren't even honoring the law.

It's not easy now. That Ireland buddy took 3 years or so. Part of FS23's proposal is to make it easier, but not an open gate. I'm good with that. It's a compromise.
 
Do you agree with the proposal or not? And if not, what is your proposal?

Your proposal is nothing more than we already do, or are attempting to do. Mich like Brent's proposals, neither earth shatteringly original, nor b ound to make much difference in the issue at hand.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Your proposal is nothing more than we already do, or are attempting to do. Mich like Brent's proposals, neither earth shatteringly original, nor b ound to make much difference in the issue at hand.

Otherwise known as: not what I want, so therefore it's useless.
 
Why does it matter? He went through the process. As long as immigrants go through the process, cool.

Your assumption reveals a little something about your thinking and prejudices.

Cause you're playing "gotcha" games with me, and pretending you're so superior-like, when there's no "gotcha" to be had.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Cause you're playing "gotcha" games with me, and pretending you're so superior-like, when there's no "gotcha" to be had.

I mentioned an immigrant, and you automatically assumed he was white, given the country of origin. Hey, did you know that Dave Matthews and Charlize Theron are Africans? Your prejudice showed brightly in your post. It doesn't matter what nation, color, whatever. Go through the process. That's my stance.
 
Otherwise known as: not what I want, so therefore it's useless.

No, it's just nothing new, nor nothing that can get done given the current political climate.

He wants places where immigrants can enter, and seek to stay legally. We already have those. The current administration still keep blocking them from entering through them.
 
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